Aliens are nothing but from someone else's fantasy

I watched a documentry a few weeks ago on one of the discovery channels and it was about people seeing ufos and being taken by aliens. One of the people who was being interviewed on the show said something like "i dont believe there are aliens out there but i believe that the government have got secret aircrafts. He also said something like whoever first started this alien thing must of been some kind of fantasy he or she had". So what he is saying is that whoever first came up with aliens it must of been a fatasy that person had and then it became popular.

It kind of makes sense because most people who claim they have been taken by aliens might of had nightmares after watching a movie and thinking they have been taken. I have nightmares everytime i watch The Exorcist. So this whole Alien thing might be just someone else's fantasy and everyone is following it.

The documentry went on for 1 hour and it is on all the time, i think it is called "UFO: Down to Earth" or something like that.

We all have wild imaginations so i rekon aliens came from someone eles's fantasy and then everyone else started to imagine what would it be like if i where taken, then they have nightmare and then they started to think they where taken. So i dont believe in Aliens.

I hope this post makes sense, sorry if it doesnt if you dont understand it ill try and make it clear for you.

My english isnt very good, lol.

no it doesnt make any sense, first thing, nstead of listening to a documentary and a person thats getting interviewed, do your own research.. flying saucers are everywhere, in the bible, ancient paintings etc.. we're not alone and thats OBVIOUS, TOO OBVIOUS

i am so glad we have got different opinions on ufo and aliens, as long i can have my own opinion. My opinion is no such thing as aliens, because its only happening in America.

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lol.. sorry but just like i told you, inform yourself before you talk.. no, its not just America

Originally posted by IKnowSomethingYouDont
i am so glad we have got different opinions on ufo and aliens, as long i can have my own opinion. My opinion is no such thing as aliens, because its only happening in America.

I respect your opinion but what are you talking about when you say only in America. That is wrong. There have been siteings all over the world for centuries. I really find it hard to believe that we are the only life in the entire universe. It is just way to big.

[edit on 2-6-2005 by netobrev]

WRONG, it happens EVERYWHERE, it happens in South America, North America, Europe, esspecially the UK but there are many reports in the Netherlands where I live, I have seen a UFO my self and i'm sure it wasn't a Weather Balloon or Swamp Gas or whatever.

I heard plenty of abduction stories, the vast majority is in the US since it's a big country with alot of secluded area's, but it definitly happens everywhere, not everyone likes to speak about it however.

Only happening in America???

Check again. UFO sightings and abduction accounts are a GLOBAL phenomenon. Just recently, we've seen the Brazillian AF come out and announce that they believe some such craft to be of otherworldly origin.

Just a product of movies and imagination???

There are numerous old paintings featuring UFOs, from the Renaissance, etc. and in EUROPE, not America....and LONG before movies. There are also sightings mentioned in literature, etc. Also, there are many UFO photos that predate such films.

I'd also recommend looking into the first modern abduction, the Hill Case, and see if your "just the imagination" theory holds up, and explains how Betty drew an accurate starmap showing stars modern astronomers didn't even know existed at the time....

I suppose it also makes sense to you that the Army recovered just another Mogul balloon from Roswell, when such retrievals before and after the event certainly weren't hush-hush, or require military cordons, top secret documented flights to air materiel command, etc.? Or perhaps you think it's a secret plane? If so, you'd then have to think it pretty special to be kept under wraps for FIFTY plus years!

Add to this a mountain of documents, photo and video evidence, radar returns, etc. and you've got FAR more than just people's imagination to consider....

Yes its true theyre all right, not just in america. I reccomend you look in the book of Enoch.
www.nazarene.net...
And while your at it tcheck out this thread for sum info. on the paintings and such, etc.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I think its very naive to say that we are alone in the universe, i think it's absurd really. It's one thing to say maybe we havent REALLY been contacted by aliens, but to say they dont exist at all......nah, no chance. There's sumone out there...but hey thats my opinion!
Good luck,
Dani

IKnowSomethingYouDont,

Then its a fantasy shared by some of the U.S.'s and Russia's top Astronauts, along with hundred's of scientists and hundreds of thousands of witnesses!

I'm afraid you fallen for the old bait and switch tactic - show some legitimate observers and then put a couple of crackpots on display to discredit the whole UFOlogy field.

Feel free to live in ignorance, but if you want the truth you need to stop using TV as your primary information source.

Also you might want to look at the disclosure going on in Brazil at this very moment - unless you think the whole Brazillian Government delights in make believe as well.

As far as the alien abductions go, IMO, it seems suspicious that every person claiming an abduction also has a book for sale to detail the account. This is also true of UFO conventions; there are lots of stories for sale, astrological/mystical goods, $50 speeches detailing a first hand account, but absolutely no science. Much like we are seeing in the past week, someone makes a wild claim, has circumstantial evidence at best, and many people in the UFO community take it as solid evidence. The fact is, without real, solid evidence (see: scientific method) the debate will remain just that: a debate.

backtoreality,

While I agree the UFO field has been composed mostly of "faith" believers and untrained laymen, I believe that trend is starting to change.

More and More classically trained scientists, like myself, are starting to take an interest thanks to the wealth of information readily available now over the internet.

I think a lot of scientists, like myself, have become discouraged with the governments suppresion of useful technologies, and their sequestering of some of the best and brightest in many technological fields for their own suspect agenda.

This discouragement opens one eyes up to the general corruption rampant in many 1st world governments, and motivates sicentific professionals to more carefully research the evidence of fringe sciences such as:

Cold Fusion
Magnetic Monopoles
Quantum Entanglement
Highly Efficent Solar Cells
Zero-Point Energy
and
UFOlogy

Professionals such as Gordon Cooper, Bernard Haitch, Dr. Steven Greer, and the former Dr. J. Allen Hynek only further help reform this field into a real science.

People like PY and Witley Streiber, unfortunately, still continue to wield undue influence over much of American Public.

I hope one day they will be at the fringes of UFOlogy and no longer enjoy the limelight and popularity they do today.

Originally posted by Kal
.. we're not alone and thats OBVIOUS, TOO OBVIOUS

see above post.

TruthMagnet,

Simply put, the only problem for classically trained scientists, like yourself, is that while there may be a wealth of information, there is a fatal lack of evidence. And for clasically trained scientists, like yourself, it is rather difficult to perform science without evidence.

True.. True...

However there are many types of evidence that we have.

There is eye witness testimony (including offical governmnet documents).

There are Radar recordings.

There is photographic and video evidence.

I think what you are saying is their is a lack of physical evidence - although some UFO sightings have left physical evidence behind (ground marks, radioactive signitures, etc.)

I'm afraid, like enriched uranium, getting the government to hand over the physical evidence they have will be likely impossible.

However, we may get lucky yet - government whistle blowers and disenfranchised scientists are beginning to turn up all over the place these days.

Maybe one day they will bring a piece of evidence to light that will be hard to dispute.

Also, upcoming private space travel may reveal much more than we ever had hoped possible in our lifetime.

Good science requires patience, thouroughness, and full transparency, we should be careful not to fall into the dogmatic trap of western acadameia.

IKnowSomethingYouDont

You are right about a lot of things, it wasn't explained all that well, but your english isn't that good, it's still pretty good though.

I belive that when it comes to Greys and Reptellians, and all of that. People don't seem to understand the power of their mind and their subconcious, everything is imagination when it comes to dreams or hallucinating.

That imagination pulls things from what you have seen, as for abductions, I have had a doll (and a variety of other things) walk up to me in the night and try to "get" me when I was younger, I saw it, and felt it. But was it real? No. It was my imagination. Are their alien dolls coming to get me, they have an alien doll ship? Uh.. right. That's just making it up as I go, same thing to do with aliens and how people also make it up as they go. That's just hallucinations, haven't even got into the dreams yet, wow, I must really have thousands of aliens wanting me.

If physical evidence is not found, we really can't prove it, and imaginaton defiently comes into it.

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon
IKnowSomethingYouDont

You are right about a lot of things, it wasn't explained all that well, but your english isn't that good, it's still pretty good though.

I belive that when it comes to Greys and Reptellians, and all of that. People don't seem to understand the power of their mind and their subconcious, everything is imagination when it comes to dreams or hallucinating.

That imagination pulls things from what you have seen, as for abductions, I have had a doll (and a variety of other things) walk up to me in the night and try to "get" me when I was younger, I saw it, and felt it. But was it real? No. It was my imagination. Are their alien dolls coming to get me, they have an alien doll ship? Uh.. right. That's just making it up as I go, same thing to do with aliens and how people also make it up as they go. That's just hallucinations, haven't even got into the dreams yet, wow, I must really have thousands of aliens wanting me.

If physical evidence is not found, we really can't prove it, and imaginaton defiently comes into it.

did you even read what other people said? probably not

Originally posted by Kal

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon
IKnowSomethingYouDont

You are right about a lot of things, it wasn't explained all that well, but your english isn't that good, it's still pretty good though.

I belive that when it comes to Greys and Reptellians, and all of that. People don't seem to understand the power of their mind and their subconcious, everything is imagination when it comes to dreams or hallucinating.

That imagination pulls things from what you have seen, as for abductions, I have had a doll (and a variety of other things) walk up to me in the night and try to "get" me when I was younger, I saw it, and felt it. But was it real? No. It was my imagination. Are their alien dolls coming to get me, they have an alien doll ship? Uh.. right. That's just making it up as I go, same thing to do with aliens and how people also make it up as they go. That's just hallucinations, haven't even got into the dreams yet, wow, I must really have thousands of aliens wanting me.

If physical evidence is not found, we really can't prove it, and imaginaton defiently comes into it.

did you even read what other people said? probably not

Yeah, I'm talking about the aliens, not UFOs.

You will have to forgive me, as I am just a mere member of the "untrained laymen", but I was not strictly referring to physical evidence. I was referring to the void of evidence which keeps the UFO community from being able to prove anything more than suspicion.

However, claiming that the government is someone able to keep the wraps on things is quite a stretch, don't you think? I also don't know what--if anything--is in the government's UFO evidence chest, but it's a cop-out to blame the lack of evidence on a highly unlikely, worldwide conspiracy to hide UFOs from the public.

Now on to the science. You mention the hope of someone, or something, "turning up" one of these days. Since the days of Roswell, we have built supercolliders that accelerate subatomic particles to 99% the speed of light, sent multi-ton telescopes into orbit, created and refined string theory, but yet, somehow, have been unable to solve the riddle of what those things flying around our skies are. For a classically trained scientist, as yourself, you should know that the simplest answer is almost always correct.

I think that if it is excitement that people want, something to really stretch the immagination, just pick up a book on cosmology. Nothing will get your mind going more than contemplating the size and complexity of the universe.

backtoreality,

Again as I said, UFO physical evidence, like Enriched Uranium, is easily controlled by the government.

The government is made up of institutions that do nothing BUT control information and public access to resources.

That being said, when you have hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses, as well as hundreds of scientists and dozens of astronauts and military specialists all coming forward with thier sworn testimonies on UFO's - the simplest answer is that many of them must be telling the truth.

As far as cosmology goes, we shall see what restrictions are put on private space flight and private space probes - because currently that is all controlled by the military - and if they won't allow independent scientists to verify the data by alternative means in the next decade - well that says something itself doesn't it?

But you can feel free to deny the evidence, and call the whole Human race liars if you wish, while scientist like myself continue to gather data and evidence until they have no choice but to be honest and strightforward regarding the UFO phenommena.

I look forward to that day with much anticipation!

You will have to forgive me, as I am just a mere member of the "untrained laymen", but I was not strictly referring to physical evidence. I was referring to the void of evidence which keeps the UFO community from being able to prove anything more than suspicion.

Void of evidence? Thousands of documents, some even released by the government itself through FOIA...numerous government scientists, even two high profile members of Bluebook (Ruppelt, Hyneck) have come out and said the phenomenon was real and that the government was covering it up. This is straight from the horse's mouth! Numerous radar returns and intercepts sent up to directly respond to UFOs detected, numerous generals, high ranking officers, etc. have also come forth. And you see this as a void of evidence?

However, claiming that the government is someone able to keep the wraps on things is quite a stretch, don't you think? I also don't know what--if anything--is in the government's UFO evidence chest, but it's a cop-out to blame the lack of evidence on a highly unlikely, worldwide conspiracy to hide UFOs from the public.

What "lack" of evidence? Only of the physical variety... I'd wager if you somehow recovered a piece of wreckage from a stealth plane, and then submitted it to any institution or press for testing, you'd never see it again either. Compartmentalization is the key of course. One need look no further than Roswell to see how effective a coverup can be. Let's look at the facts of Roswell. Something crashed. The government even admits that. They contend that it was a Mogul balloon. That doesn't match the evidence, as there were many Mogul recoveries before and after the event, and NONE of them required secrecy, military cordons, hasty flights to Air Materiel Command, etc. Also, it's pretty far-fetched to believe that trained military officers can't tell balsa wood and tin foil when they see it. So, WHAT crashed there then? If it was a top secret plane, it wouldn't still be classified now...it'd be thoroughly obsolete by now. Same with a rocket, etc. Sorry, but the other answers fail to fit the evidence, but what DOES fit is the government's INITIAL officially released answer....they got a downed flying disc!

Now on to the science. You mention the hope of someone, or something, "turning up" one of these days. Since the days of Roswell, we have built supercolliders that accelerate subatomic particles to 99% the speed of light, sent multi-ton telescopes into orbit, created and refined string theory, but yet, somehow, have been unable to solve the riddle of what those things flying around our skies are. For a classically trained scientist, as yourself, you should know that the simplest answer is almost always correct.

Except when the simple answer doesn't fit or is contradicted by the evidence. Surely a scientist cannot dismiss out of hand the volume of evidence of both a military coverup in regards to the subject (as shown through FOIA docs of projects after Bluebook, when publicly stating it as the last word on the subject), and that the mountains of documents showing a genuine military concern about the crafts.

I think that if it is excitement that people want, something to really stretch the immagination, just pick up a book on cosmology. Nothing will get your mind going more than contemplating the size and complexity of the universe.

While the universe is indeed exciting to ponder, it pales in comparison to the very real and voluminous evidence that we're being visited by another sentient species not of this world, and the idea that those vast distances may not be as insurmountable as mainstream science would have us believe. Even now, scientists in fields such as quantum physics are starting to see the possibilities in this...