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If Brazil can detect UFO's, So can the U.S.!!!

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posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 06:19 AM
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Warning this is a long post!

As many of us know, Brazil has moved toward disclosure , in a major way, by its release of newly de-classified UFO documents and subsequent discussion of the reallity that UFO's are E.T.V.s by FAB Brass on a national T.V. show in Brazil , "Fantastico".

ATSNN Link

That all happened on 5/20/05, and the following days.

So now the tough questions.

Is the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) capable , and or able, to detect UFO's?

If so , then how, and with what , is the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) using to make these detections?

If the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) is able to do this , then is the U.S. doing it , or capable of doing this also?

The answers may surprize you , as they did me.

As it turns out , Brazil has , if not the most sophisticated , one of the most sophisticated surveillance systems on Earth.

It is called S.I.V.A.M. ( Portuguese acronym for System for Monitoring the Amazon),a $1.4 billion project with surveillance capabilities over 5.5 million square kilometers. Its a network of high-tech radars across the Amazon capable of tracking any movement in an area roughly seven times the size of France.



A U.S. company ,Raytheon is providing the 25 high-tech radars.



Complimented by Six of these smaller transportable radars.

www.sivam.gov.br..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>

Small dishes placed throughout the Amazon.

www.sivam.gov.br..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>
Primary and secondary Radar site in Brazil (SIVAM)

Along with all that infrastucture Brazil also has a small Fleet of R-99-A & R-99-B's, also a few Embraer-145 aircraft (EMB-145) Equipped with the Swedish radar Ericcson Erieye.

Each one of the eight aircraft in the SIVAM fleet can catch, listen to, identify and locate any emissions of radio-frequency in the areas where it will be operating.

archives.cnn.com...

www.mstbrazil.org...


The U.S. is a part of the SIVAM system.
www.arena.org.nz...

From Economic Justice News

Volume 6 Number 1 April 2003

The installation of military bases in Manta (Ecuador), Trjs Esquinas and Letmcia (Colombia), Iquitos (Peru), Rainha Beatrix (Aruba) and Hato (Curacao). These new bases complement the U.S. encirclement of the region, which already included bases in Puerto Rico (Vieques), Cuba (Guantanamo) and Honduras (Soto de Cano). The U.S. is also planning to build bases in El Salvador and in Argentina, and to gain control of the Alcbntara base in Brazil.

The training of Latin American militaries, as in the case of Operation Cabaqas in Argentina, with the participation of 1,500 officers from the U.S., Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay. According to government documents from Argentina, the objective of this training is to create a "unified military command" to combat "terrorism..., in a battlefield littered with civilians, non-governmental organizations and potential aggressors." This command would act in the triple border region between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina. The authorization for the entry of U.S. troops into Latin American countries includes guarantees of diplomatic immunity.

The installation of mechanisms like System of Surveillance of the Amazon (SIVAN), a $1.4 billion project with surveillance capabilities over 5.5 million square kilometers. Plans for SIVAN include the purchase of military aircraft, like the A-29 Toucan. The Pentagon wants to build a huge radar facility in Argentina, as part of an international surveillance system.



The strengthening of the U.S. defence industry. For example, the Manta base, with the ability to control airspace over a 400 km radius, will be the responsibility of DynCorp, accused of having close ties to the CIA. The Manta base will be equipped with E-3 AWACs and F-16 and F-15 Eagle fighters to patrol the Amazon region, the Panama Canal Zone, and Central America. Other defense contractors, like Raytheon and Northrop, have projected a 50% increase in earnings this year.




From Aerospace Power Journal - Summer 2002
Partnering for Hemispheric Security

Unfortunately, Brazil’s approach- investing heavily in the SIVAM/SIPAM projects and attempting to secure its borders from within- is necessary but not sufficient to assure long-term sovereignty. Because of the lack of regional linkage among Brazil and its neighbors, efforts to control vast borders and reduce criminal, drug, and refugee flows are uncoordinated. Perhaps the tradition of limited security cooperation with other states in the region is a matter of trust. However, the emerging SIVAM capability and ongoing US partnering arrangements in South America may provide an entrée to a Brazilian-hosted operations center for monitoring and integrating counternarcotic, counterinsurgent, and law-enforcement efforts.

At present, the United States provides military advisors, training, and equipment- including radars, communications gear, weapons, and helicopters- to Colombia. Modest US assistance also goes to Bolivia, Peru, and Brazil. The United States provides technical support to several countries in Latin America through radar-surveillance assistance and airborne-warning flights, and C2 through the Joint Interagency Task Force East (JIATF-East) for counterdrug assistance. However, comprehensive counternarcotics and security efforts are not regionally coordinated in real time through a single command center or a single agency in any one country. The limited, bilateral approach to law-enforcement, counterdrug, and counterinsurgency efforts, therefore, is not as optimized or efficient as a more integrated approach.



Brazil is completly capable of detecting , monitering , and identifing just about anything that happens in the Amazon region.

The U.S. as a provider of the technology , and as a partner in surveillance of the region would have this capability as well.




posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 06:50 AM
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If your interested in reading about some of the things we might be learning from the recent disclosure in Brazil checkout this thread.

Colares, Brazil & Operation Prato(Saucer)



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 12:45 PM
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Trust me, we could detect them far better than most nations...



a $1.4 billion project


We've got that tied up probably with just a few high-end satellites...


Plus, anything that Raytheon is exporting wouldn't compare to classified gear here in the US. Still, the equipment is pretty damn good, and seems above and beyond Brazil's defense needs, but then, they've long acknowledged a concern for ET visitor craft.....



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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HEy lost_shaman you got my way above vote....you have here a very nice post.....somethings there i didnt know.
Thanks for that.

I thinks its a good idea to start taking control/protecting over Amazonia, that will be a HUGE advantadge in the near future.

[edit on 2-6-2005 by Krpano]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil...

With a price tag of $200 million, the EMB-145 Erieye combination fills an emerging market niche. The price of the US Air Force’s E-3 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft and newer systems such as the Wedgetail3 or Phalcon4 is simply too high for most countries. The combination of a radar and a commuter-type aircraft, however, has brought down the price. The original Swedish air force Saab 340 Erieye combination has not enjoyed any export success due to its lack of endurance. Most likely, the Brazilian aircraft/Swedish radar combination will enjoy considerable export success as other countries discover the affordability of the new AEW&C platform.


The 1.4 billion dollar quote would only be enough to pay for 7 of these EMB-145's. They are claiming to have 8 in thier fleet.

That 1.4 billion dollar quote surely connot include the 25 radars , 6 transportable radars, small communication dishes, remote sensors, and the satalites that accompany the system.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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More to support the claim that the SIVAM system is one of a kind.

www.washingtontechnology.com...

SIVAM is "truly a unique program," said Philip Marshall, manager of business development for Raytheon's Wide Area Surveillance and Management program, a new unit intended to market SIVAM's potential.

"No one has put together a [command, control, computers, communications and intelligence] program on a national level," he said.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 07:02 PM
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Great post. Lot's of good info.
It will be really interesting to recieve the news that should begin emerging from Brazil.
It will be a curious thing to watch.



posted on Jun, 4 2005 @ 05:45 AM
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Thanks for the kind words! Its really not the best thread post!

Who knew you probably couldn't throw a rock in the Amazon , without the Brazilians knowing about it!



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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Isn't that called "SETI" here in the USA and most other places around the world?

They use that big satellite in arciebo, puerto rico



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ken_Allen
Isn't that called "SETI" here in the USA and most other places around the world?

They use that big satellite in arciebo, puerto rico


No SETI & SIVAM are totally two different things.

SETI is the Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence . It uses radio anttenna's to search the heavens for radio communications from E.T.'s. Its headed up by people like Seth Shostek. It does use the Aricebo Dish.

SIVAM is a Portuguese acronym that means System for Monitoring the Amazon. It is the first System of its kind on a National Level.
SIVAM has nothing to do with SETI.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 04:09 AM
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Thx a lot for the update about it.
You made the post really easy to read.

SIVAM evenement.
This week a secret report was released from the Brazilian Federal Governement about an US radar airplane model P-3 prefix VVR-2674

that tried to sneak over amazonia last year 9th October.

The airplane was in a scientific research in Argentina and had the authorization to land in Manaus but it actually only went into the Brazlian airspace at 10th October and changed its landsite.

The report shows that the airplane changed its altitude and flew under 3000 feet (about 900m) to dificult the radars (SIVAM) detection...and the crew avoid the radio contact for sometime. They claim radio problems.


The Brazilian authorities believe the airplane tried to scan some areas, its well known the airplane had geological sensors.

At the end Brazilian authorities complaint about at "South Command", Pentagon unit in Miami that coordenate the US military operation in Latin America.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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Krpano,

Do you have a link to the story?

It seems highly unlikly to me that any Radar system would loose a contact at 3,000ft , much less a radar array like the SIVAM system, as it was Officially built to monitor drug trafficing ,which those flights regularly fly at low alltitudes in an attempt to avoid detection.

P.S. The story might also just be disinformation , to give would be drug trafficers the hope that if they fly low enough they too could avoid the SIVAM system.

From everything I've read about the SIVAM , it is sopposed to be able to detect movment from below the forest canopy, which is well below 3,000ft.

Also 3,000ft is not low enough to avoid detection from the airborn Radars on-board the R-99's & EMB-145's.

I'd like to read the entire story if you have the link.

Thanks Shaman

[edit on 7-6-2005 by lost_shaman]



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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The US can and does. The thing is the government covers everything up here and threatens everyone's job (and maybe life) if they tell anyone.


Down with the government.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Hey lost_shaman.

I did not say SIVAM didnt get them below 3000 feet...

I said the US airplane went to an altitude lower than 3000 feet to dificult the detection and mistake SIVAM radars and personel, actually the altitude variation of the aircraft was one of the reasons it has alarmed them.

About the link to the story, was all over the press in Brazil.....im not sure any of this history was released in US since they deny the event.
If you can read portuguese you can check it here.
www.defesanet.com.br...
aswell in lots of others brazilian websites.




posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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What a waste of money imo


So they're looking for aliens on the ground and in the earths atmosphere?



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 05:54 PM
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!Thanks Krpano!

I can translate easy enough !

Didn't mean to misunderstand what you are saying . Thanks for the link, and the compliment its very much appreciated !




Ken_Allen,

If you had visiters in your home , would you look for them down the street ?



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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I think your right on target. Of course the US Gov knows as late as G Bush Sr., during CIA days and more powerfully as a serving US President.

Post President Carter - forget it, from my years of looking into it President's were not to know what gos on in the Secret Gov Circles (except President Reagon) he apparently had a one day elevation to 32 degree Mason, due to the VP Bush and his respect for Mr Reagan (having G B as a VP).

Anyway, I carrying on too much. But bottom line is 'Ike' and Trueman were both involved deeply in the UFO Problem.

There are some good books out there (older books) You may consider looking into on all this stuff - Cayce 'Sugai River' readings (not written by E Cayce) but then again Cayce never wrote a book..

Dallas



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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Playing Devil's advocate here

Maybe Brazil can misidentify UFO's and the US can distinguish the recorded phenomena as something natural rather than out of this world. It may be that Brazil's technology does not allow for a proper explanation of the witnessed phenomena while the greater technology of the US allows us to attach an explanation to the events.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 09:08 PM
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Well why wouldn't the U.S. come out and explain the mystery for us , bring on the Meteorologists clear things up for us ?

Its becoming more and more obvious by the governments failure to adequately explain the phenomena away , that they don't want us to know the true answer.

Because the nature of the phenomena , contrary to what they want us to believe, is a far older phenomena than the "Secret Aircraft " explanation can explain.

The U.S. stays silent because every time they try their hand at an explanation , the more people realize the truth isn't being told to them.

I just think that when it come down to reality everyone should be on the same playing field, I think its dangerous to have one group of people who know the truth , and another group of people who are purposefully kept in the dark.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 10:55 PM
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Well then, after the US exclaims UFOs are and we are planted, what would you truly swear too next time you swore an Oath with hand on Bible?.. that's just starters.

Dallas



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