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WAR: Over 40 Percent of Iraqi Suicide Bombers Are Saudi

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posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 12:48 AM
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Nearly 40 percent of the suicide bombers in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia. The bombers under orders from terror leader Abu Musab al- Zarqawi attack both Iraqi's and coalition forces. A "martyrs" list on a Zarqawi web site found that only 10 percent of the bombers were born in Iraq. The others included Syrian, Kuwaiti, Palestinian, Afghani, Libyan and even French.

 



www.nypost.com
June 1, 2005 -- WASHINGTON — More than 40 percent of the suicide bombers dispatched by terror leader Abu Musab al- Zarqawi to attack Iraqis and U.S. troops hailed from Saudi Arabia, according to a new study. Only 9 percent of the bombers were Iraqis, said the report by the SITE Institute, a counterterror group.

The analysis bolsters the Bush administration's claims that the Iraqi borders are not well policed and fanatical foreign jihadists have been streaming into the country to wreak deadly havoc.

SITE recently discovered a "Martyrs' List" that Zarqawi posted on a Web site to commemorate the fanatics who were recruited as foot soldiers in the group's deadly campaign of car bombings and other attacks to undermine Iraq's transition to


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This is not a huge surprise given the high level of violence directed at Iraqi's themselves. If this was a home grown insurgency, I doubt there would be such a concerted effort to harm other Iraqi's and more focus on Coalition forces in an effort to drive them out. That the bulk of the bombers are Saudi is not surprising either. One only has to look at a list of 911 hijackers to see the Saudi connection to global terrorism. It also gives an indication to the level of trouble that would occur if the House of Saud falls.




posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:00 AM
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From the Daily Kos


A little Googling revealed that SITE, is an "news" organization with all the credibility of Talon News. SITE consists of Rita Katz and Josh Devon. They are only cited on NationalReview Online, or Fox News, and one of the partners has been hand picked by Bush to man lots of posts on Homeland Security and other Bush organizations. Look at the site and you'll see a PR job website that dresses as a real organization. All this scrollinbg news stories are progress in the WOT. There is no critical thinking or punditry. Just a big ra-ra site.


Anything from the NY Post is suspect. That they chose to pick up an AP newswire from SITE doesn't sound that convincing.

EDIT: Added SITE link

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posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:08 AM
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So, you give a link from an obvious biased site, which does not present any proof of their allegations, or should i say lies, and you expect people to believe this site is telling the truth and all other news sources are lying and are bought off by president Bush?..... You have got to be kidding...

Sorry curme, but the fake comes from that site you are linking.


BTW, I didn't submit this post. I know quite a few people around here would vote no on this submission if they even thought for a second that I had sumitted this story.



[edit on 2-6-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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There are certainly some elements in the style of US-Saudi diplomatic relations, and the obvious conflict of interest in Bush-bin Laden family ties and national interests, to be remedied.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:14 AM
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How exactly is this BIAS'ed as your annon tab suggests? The first report I heard of it was KCBS 740 a all news station here in the Bay Area.

Here is another one for you:




The New York Times, based on a study of Islamist websites, has said Saudis make up the largest contingent among the suicide bombers.

Yet Another



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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MA, I would reccoment reading "Sleeping With The Devil" while the writting style is not the best it does give alot of insight to the Saudi/US relationship. Every administration for decades has been co-opted by an agressive Saudi campaign that infuses alot of $$$ to thier coffers.

The House of Saud is really ripe for a fall.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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i dont see how some of the bombers could be french?



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:33 AM
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Why not? Jose Padilla is a US citizen. Remember that France has a large Islamic population and has alot of naturalized citizens. Could have become a citizen then went off to blow themselves up.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 05:00 PM
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The french hate the US and it doesn`t suprise me that some of them are making there way to Iraq to further thwart any success. Its funny how so many of them were opposed to the war and even fought against it. But now they are actually fighting in the war on the side of the terrorists. Mind Boggeling.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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Are all the Arabs in Saudi Arabia considered themselves as Saudis or Arabs? The Saudi moniker is applied to those who identified with the vast family of the House of Saud or who is more or less related to the family, whose numbers are around 60,000!
The rest of the Arabs living as citizens in the Kingdom aren't related to the Saudi family, so we can't possibly keep assuming that all Arabs in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia are Saudis. That's like saying that you are known as a Smithian if your country is ruled by King Smith and the House of Smith, even though you aren't related to the Smith family by name.

The real key to identify the difference between the Saudi Arabs and the rest of the Arabs in the Kingdom is look at their full name and their relation to which family or tribe they belong to. There are some families who are under this powerful family/tribe who is more or less related to the Saudi family by blood or by legal/religious boundary.

Does this make sense to you? So it is kinda hard to presume that all suicide bombers in Iraq are actually Saudis.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Here's a copy of article on a site that doesn't require registration.


siteinstitute

An analysis of 107 bombers whose names and backgrounds Zarqawi's group published revealed that 45 of the dead extremists, or 42 percent, came from Saudi Arabia, said Rita Katz, SITE director.

Many other bombers were Syrian, Kuwaiti, Palestinian, Afghani, Libyan and even French, while only 10 of the attackers, or 9 percent, were Iraqi-born.

"What we see here is there are a lot of people who appear to be quite well educated leaving universities, good jobs and families to go to Iraq to fight the jihad," Katz said.

"It means there is huge support for Zarqawi and al Qaeda among the younger generation - particularly in Saudi Arabia - who are going to Iraq not to liberate Iraq, but to engage in the battle between the mujahedeen and the crusaders. This is in Iraq now. But it could be somewhere else tomorrow."


An article from a couple of months ago had the Saudi percentage of suicide bombers even higher than that.


newsmax
Researched and written by Dr. Reuven Paz, the paper analyzes the origins of 154 Arab jihadists killed in Iraq in the last six months, whose names have been posted on Islamist websites.

Says Swartz: "The sample does not account for all jihadists in Iraq, but provides a useful and eye-opening profile of them."

Here's what it reports:

# Saudi Arabia accounted for 94 jihadists, or 61 percent of the sample. Of the 94 Saudis, 61 originated in the region of Najd, known as the heart-land of the militant Wahhabis sect;

# Syria accounted for 16 (10 per-cent);

# Iraq itself accounted for only 13 (8 per-cent);

# Kuwait accounted for 11 (7 percent);

# The remainder included small numbers from Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Algeria, Morocco (of which one was a resident in Spain), Yemen, Tunisia, the Palestinian territories (only 1), Dubai, and Sudan. The Sudanese was living in Saudi Arabia before he went to die in Iraq.


I know that the second link is newsmax but it has also appeared an more reputable sites.

There's no mention of Iran on those lists in spite of the Bush administration and conservative media pundits claiming that the foreign insurgency was due to Syrian and Iran.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 05:33 PM
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Wow more French bashing, isnt that getting kinda old? Im a Brit and am tired of the unfounded swipes at the general French public. Have a go at Chirac if you want to and provide justifications but French bashing is just lame.

With regards to Saudi Arabia shouldnt there be an invasion of Saudi Arabia using President Bush's logic? After all there was some contrived link between the supposed 9/11 bombers and Iraq which justified the invasion. Why not blame Saudi Arabia for it all, the bombers were all Saudis, the leader of Al Qaeda is a Saudi. Now 40% of suicide bombers in Iraq are found to be Saudi. Why no bombs falling on Saudi Arabia or even harsh criticism or ultimatums for the government to stamp it out? Abbas is constantly bombarded with calls to end the miltant attacks from his Palestinians but not a peep uttered to Bush's pal's the Saud Royals.

You have to ask yourself why not.

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posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by subz
Wow more French bashing, isnt that getting kinda old? Im a Brit and am tired of the unfounded swipes at the general French public. Have a go at Chirac if you want to and provide justifications but French bashing is just lame.


Speak for yourself. Many Europeans think otherwise: Those French!


Originally posted by subz
With regards to Saudi Arabia shouldnt there be an invasion of Saudi Arabia using President Bush's logic? After all there was some contrived link between the supposed 9/11 bombers and Iraq which justified the invasion. Why not blame Saudi Arabia for it all, the bombers were all Saudis, the leader of Al Qaeda is a Saudi. Now 40% of suicide bombers in Iraq are found to be Saudi. Why no bombs falling on Saudi Arabia or even harsh criticism or ultimatums for the government to stamp it out? Abbas is constantly bombarded with calls to end the miltant attacks from his Palestinians but not a peep uttered to Bush's pal's the Saud Royals.


An invasion of Saudi Arabia is categorically defined as insane. Are you actually begging for a pre-industrial dark age?!
The United States is NOT the only client for Saudi oil.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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I thought it was a war on terror, not a war on terror unless business interests are affected. Bush should of came out and said "you're either with us or you're against us, unless you do business with us then thats ok you can terrorize us"

And yes I am speaking for myself with regards to Frenchman bashing. If you feel that insecure that you must belittle an entire nation you should be questioning why you feel so insecure.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by subz
I thought it was a war on terror, not a war on terror unless business interests are affected. Bush should of came out and said "you're either with us or you're against us, unless you do business with us then thats ok you can terrorize us"
..............


If we are going to take that stance, then we might as well attack Russia, China, and France among other countries who have helped extremist Islamic countries who profess their hatred towards the US and their goal of seeing the US and Israel destroyed....

Do you want us to take that stance? Noone in their right mind would do this, unless there is an open declaration of war by these countries against the US.

Yes, Saudi Arabia has many terrorists, yet as far as we know the Saudi government is working with the US, while not trying to infuriate their extremists.

We had a thread dealing with this same issue a while back. I wish i could remember the name of that thread, because there was a lot of information provided in the original post by the ATS member. I can't even remember who it was that made the submission.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 07:41 PM
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Since the Cole, then 9/11, there has been a double standard applied to the Saudis by the top of this administration and the last. Here's a typical response:


Question: Tell us, Mr. Secretary, the state of the insurgency in Iraq. The New York Post has an interesting piece today about how the estimates are about 42 percent of the homicide bombers in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia. What are we doing with our relationship with Saudi Arabia on that 42 percent figure? It's pretty startling.

Rumsfeld: Well, as we all know, al-Qaida kind of began and was sustained in that country. About the government itself, the fact is that the Saudi government has been attacked by the al-Qaida. They have organized anti-terrorist and counter-terrorist activities and been increasingly aggressive in going after terrorists. But the fact remains that there are people from that country as well as most of the neighboring countries who have over time been a part of the al-Qaida operation.

Question: My problem with what we hear from Saudi Arabia, though, it's a lot of words and sometimes not a lot of actions. I know they have launched their own investigations, Mr. Secretary, but in your mind, and you know this, are they doing everything they can?

Rumsfeld: Well my impression is that ever since they were attacked some months back that they have been exceedingly aggressive and determined to not have their government weakened or destabilized by al-Qaida, and they have been aggressively going after the terrorists, and I think it's admirable.


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[edit on 2-6-2005 by Vajrayana]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase





Says Swartz: "The sample does not account for all jihadists in Iraq, but provides a useful and eye-opening profile of them."

Here's what it reports:

# Saudi Arabia accounted for 94 jihadists, or 61 percent of the sample. Of the 94 Saudis, 61 originated in the region of Najd, known as the heart-land of the militant Wahhabis sect;

# Syria accounted for 16 (10 per-cent);

# Iraq itself accounted for only 13 (8 per-cent);

# Kuwait accounted for 11 (7 percent);

# The remainder included small numbers from Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Algeria, Morocco (of which one was a resident in Spain), Yemen, Tunisia, the Palestinian territories (only 1), Dubai, and Sudan. The Sudanese was living in Saudi Arabia before he went to die in Iraq.




well, i don't really have to reply...........it took till the 10th response to bring up this 'dead on' point..
..(zealots of the Wahhabi sect)

the administration & the war-machine just does not want to bring up the
religious focus & the Wahhabi specifically....they're fine in distracting us with the 'generic', all-encompassing term,
--> Jihad



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Vajrayana
Since the Cole, then 9/11, there has been a double standard applied to the Saudis by the top of this administration and the last.
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Should we declare war against Russia for arming both Iraq and now Iran against the US?

Is it not also double standard when we know that some of the countries who profess they are our allies are also helping Islamic extremist countries who have professed their hatred towards the US and whose sole purpose for arming themselves is to defy and fight the US?



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 08:12 PM
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Here are some other interesting links, although the sources will be debatable.

From Wayne Madsen who served at the National Security Agency during the Reagan administration.


3. NSA possesses communications intelligence that proves the A.Q. Khan nuclear smuggling ring in Pakistan was also selling nuclear components to Saudi Arabia.


www.onlinejournal.com...



Pak-Saudi N-link alive

9 February 2005: While Pakistan has denied a Time magazine report that its disgraced nuclear scientist, A.Q.Khan, was proliferating to Saudi Arabia, there is new surfacing evidence that suggests a broader government-to-government Pak-Saudi atomic collaboration, and this could be continuing.

Top diplomatic sources said that chartered Saudi C-130 Hercules transporters made scores of trips between the Dhahran military base and several Pakistani cities, including Lahore and Karachi, between October 2003-October 2004, and thereafter, considerable contacts were reported between Pakistani and Saudi nuclear scientists.

Between October 2004-January 2005, under cover of Haj, several Pakistani scientists visited Riyadh, and they were missing from their designated hotels for periods of between fifteen to twenty days, but overall, sources said, the Saudis and Pakistanis became selective in their contacts.

After Khan’s first admission of proliferating to Iran, Libya and North Korea in January 2004, Saudi Arabia intriguingly pulled out more that eighty-five ambassador-rank and senior diplomats from its missions around the world, but mainly in Europe and Asia, and sources said this was meant to plug any likely leak of the Pak-Saudi nuclear link.


www.indiareacts.com...

Not certain about the India source, but IMO the Saudis are playing both sides because they can.







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posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 08:22 PM
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The US has at times made statements that Saudi Arabia is not doing as much as they should be doing. Here is an excerpt and a link to World Watcher's post on this issue, althou it is not the post i was looking for.


Rep. Sue Kelly, R-N.Y., who heads the subcommittee, asked Zarate at the hearing whether the Saudis have followed through on promises to take up such measures as setting up a financial intelligence unit and seizing assets of individuals believed to help fund terrorism.

Despite Saudi Arabia's announcement in 2002 that it had established such an intelligence unit, there still appears to be no unit operating, Kelly said. She said the absence of one likely "slowed or entirely prevented action against terrorist activity."

Zarate said the Saudis had shown improved cooperation in freezing assets of suspect charities and other measures and "are taking this issue very seriously." However, he added: "We are constantly working with the Saudis to ensure" that they follow through.


Excerpted from.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



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