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US Anti-Gravity tech copied from Nazi developments:Jane's ;Great conspiracy

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posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 08:39 AM
GREAT links jumpstart.

This one was the best :

This documented part must be the tip of the iceberg when it comes to great Nazi tech. Just imagine all the undocumented technologies

I bet that if Germany had won the war, the human race would have landed on the mars 20 years back

posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 11:30 AM
Ok, here's a far-fetched scenario explaining the lack of research into anti-grav, and the emphasis on atomic research following WWII.

Let's just say there was something to what Adm. Byrd had to say after returning from Antarctica in '47, and the sightings over the White House in '52 were a demonstration of anti-grav tech and show of force from the same group Byrd encountered. It seems logical to assume Truman had by then either threatened or went on to counter with the threat of an A-bomb attack. They had the edge in anti-grav, we had it in atomic technology. Could a secret treaty have set the status quo? We don't pursue anti-grav, they don't pursue nukes?

Could the treaty (if it exists) be expiring or breaking down? Just some thoughts on our strange recent history.

posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 03:03 PM
I read the Hunt for Zero point, and while I found it very interesting I don’t what to believe.

One thing I wanted to ask in this thread is if anyone knows what the "Bell" experiment was all about? The Hunt for Zero point talks about, but never really says what it is other than expieremnts with torsion fields etc..

I think this picture is pretty interesting, not to mention the fact that no one seems to be able to agree on what the heck this thing was used for? one guess is it was used to strap a test engine rig to?

If the US does have anti grav technology then my theory is that the Avrocar was just an intentional public flop or disinformation scheme to throw people of the scent.

To answer someone's questions about why the govt still spends lots of $$ on winged aircraft: Does anyone know what an F22 really costs? The govt could be claiming to pump all this $$$ into conventional winged aircraft, but most of its going into other black projects?

[edit on 7-6-2005 by warpboost]

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 04:48 AM
Honestly, i dont find anything to make me curious in that pic

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 04:57 AM

"In retrospect, Americans should have correlated the WW II and post-war sightings of flying spheres, saucers, and cylinders to the wondrous technology of National Socialist Germany. It is an understatement to say that our government has deliberately misled us on the UFO question." - Robert J. Lee


posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 04:58 AM

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Arthur Rudolph was another prominent Nazi rocket scientist brought to America following WWII. He could well have been involved in these disk and anti-gravity projects.

Arthur Rudolph was a card carrying Nazi and a colonel in the gestapo. He was personally responsible for killing slave labor in the advanced aircraft factories. In spite of what he had done postwar he should have been tried and hung at Nuremburg.

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 04:59 AM
Photographed from the collection of Robert J. Lee, these Luftwaffe Pilot Badges were found in a storeroom during WWII by an American Soldier. These badges have circular wreaths, unlike any of the known Luftwaffe Badges that have oval wreaths. These badges were designated for the German Luftwaffe pilots who flew electromagnetic propulsion craft.

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:02 AM
Cornwell was an Investigator with the 970th CIC Detachment of the U.S Army. Cornwell personally examined a wingless 300 foot long cigar shaped field propulsion craft which was made during WW II by
Germany for transporting materials and personnel to the moon.

Richard Cornwell was interested in military history and participated in numerous battle reenactments.

^^Richard L. Cornwell


posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:03 AM

And waynos, i have no knodwlege about any Bell X-22 that you speak of, let alone comparing it with the Lockheed X-22.

But i can tell you that on several ocassions there have been totally different aircrafts with the same name.

But surely thats the point, 'X-22' is not a name, its a designation in a sequence and these are unique, show me an 'X-plane' that shares its number with another one - there isn't one.

This so called X-22 that was used in Iraq is pure fiction and everyone just accepts it!?!? Rather than people being 'ignorant' have you thought that those on the other side of the argument may be 'gullible'?


[edit on 8-6-2005 by waynos]

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:06 AM

"On September 29, 1944, at 10:45 a.m., a test pilot was trying out a new Messerschmitt Jet, ME 262 Schwalbe, when his attention was suddenly caught by two luminous points situated on his right. He shot at full speed in that direction and found himself face to face with a cylindrical object, more than three hundred feet long with some openings along its side, and fitted with long antennae placed in front up to about halfway along its length. Having approached within about 1,500 feet of the craft the pilot was amazed to see that it was moving at a speed of more than 1,200 m.p.h." - from U.F.O.s and Extra-terrestrials in History (Vol. 4) by Yves Naud.

I believe that many of us can make some contribution to explaining the UFO mystery. This page is my modest contribution. I am sharing with those of you who are interested, an interview with Richard L. Cornwell, a veteran who was an Investigator with the 970th detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps. Shortly after the end of WW II, this remarkable man actually was on site at the Harz mountain facility where Germany apparently manufactured at least some of their electromagnetic propulsion craft (also known as field propulsion craft) during the war.

In retrospect, Americans should have correlated the WW II and post-war sightings of flying spheres, saucers, and cylinders to the wondrous technology of National Socialist Germany. It is an understatement to say that our government has deliberately misled us on the UFO question.

My own interest in the UFO phenomenon was first sparked in February 1955 when I noticed a glowing yellow sphere hovering a few feet above a tree. This extremely fascinating object was only about twenty-five feet from where I was looking out of a window. After a few seconds it moved away horizontally at a speed of perhaps 30 mph. I had an immediate sense that this amazing machine was under intelligent control. This sighting occurred on a Sunday afternoon in Nashville, Tennessee. I would estimate the object to be between 5 to 6 feet in diameter. In retrospect, I might add that it had an uncanny resemblance to a WW II vintage "Foo Fighter."

It is likely that the German cylindrical (or cigar-shaped) craft had large photon reflectors mounted in an opening at the tail end of the ship. WW II German scientist Eugen Sänger once wrote, "Reflectors are used to direct the beams not only of searchlights and weapons rays but of various kinds of photon and pure fission rockets as well. Here they serve to reflect and collimate electromagnetic or corpuscular radiation. So doing they replace the conventional firing nozzle in directing the force which propels the rocket." Of course, there were problems associated with photon propulsion. According to the late NASA scientist, Paul R. Hill, the energy of a photon beam required to propel a UFO weighing 60,000 pounds in earth's atmosphere would be approximately 2,000 times greater than the jet energy of a Saturn class rocket with a thrust of six million pounds.

German scientists were well aware of the above constraints. They knew that gravity had to be overcome by some means. Cancellation of gravity was the real challenge. I believe that through experimentation they discovered that rings fitted with ports for emission of bursts of high energy electromagnetic waves could cancel gravity by relaxing the tension in the fabric of space-time. Photon propulsion became feasible in our atmosphere and strange UFO's ("Foo Fighters", flying saucers, wingless cylinders, etc.) raced across the skies of WW II confounding the eyes (and nerves) of those who saw them.

(Author's note: I will remind the reader that numerous eye witnesses have reported flashing lights along the rims of flying saucers. These lights (glowing air molecules) are actually caused by bursts of x-ray photons which distort gravity by relaxing the tension found in the fabric of space-time. See my article on gravity: Is Gravity Caused by Tension in the Fabric in Space-Time?)

In March of 1997, I was very pleased to conduct a series of five interviews with a (then) 76 year old US Army Counter Intelligence Corps veteran, Richard L. Cornwell, who was actually present at the German facility where photon propulsion craft were manufactured during WW II. I believe that the following excerpts from my interviews can help each of us to decide on what really took place.

RJL: What circumstances brought you to the German manufacturing site for the flying saucers?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: I was on an intelligence mission which I would rather not discuss. We visited the Harz mountain facility out of intense curiosity.

RJL: Did you see any flying saucers at the plant?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: Well, to begin with, I don't recall anyone using the term "Flying Saucers." Our people referred to them as craft. I only examined one craft while I was there.

RJL: What did it look like?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: It was a large cylindrical-shaped metallic craft resting on two long, wide skids. It was painted a gray-green color and did not have any markings or German insignia what-so-ever. I gathered that it was partially assembled and when the US Army was drawing near, the Germans hastily removed the propulsion system and other sensitive items.

The propulsion system had been located in the belly of the craft. You could see where it had been removed. The bottom of the craft was somewhat flattened and the top was rounded. The nose of the craft was rounded.

I went all through the thing and I noticed that one of the two front windows had been broken out. They appeared to be made out of very thick glass. Several of the gauges were missing from the control panel. There were round porthole windows on each side. The outside of the craft was smooth with riveted joints.

RJL: How big was the craft?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: Frankly, it is hard for me to remember. I do recall thinking that it was larger than any WW II submarine. I will estimate that it was several hundred feet long and maybe 30 feet high and perhaps 20 feet across the top.

RJL: Did it have a searchlight?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: I don't remember seeing one.

RJL: What about the craft's entrance doors?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: Strange as it may sound, we could not figure out exactly where the entrance doors were located, due to damage done to the sides when the Germans dismantled the parts they wanted to remove. We concluded that the doors must have been located on the sides.

RJL: Was the craft located in an underground facility?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: It was stored in a well-camouflaged aboveground building.

RJL: Were you briefed about the nature of this German craft?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: We were told that the Germans designed it to go to the moon and that they had flown all of the operational craft which had been kept at the plant to South America and Africa.

(Author's note: Germany also had an electromagnetic propulsion 300 meter long cylindrical ship which was alleged to be capable of traveling to the moon. A possible postwar siting of one of these giant ships is included in Strange Worlds by Frank Edwards. On June 30, 1947, the steamship Llandovery Castle was passing through the Straits of Madagascar, when those on board observed a 1000 feet long cigar shaped metallic craft descend from the sky and cruise along beside them for about one minute. Given the time frame of the above incident it would seem likely that this UFO was in fact a craft from a displaced Reich operating out of a secret base in Africa - or possibly Antarctica.

George Leonard, author of Somebody Else is on the Moon, mentions the puzzling mystery of runic symbols appearing on the moon's surface. He cites considerable evidence of activities on the surface of the moon.

Rumors have persisted for decades that German forces continued to wage a secret war after May 1945, using exotic technology - especially UFO based psychological warfare. In 1952, CIA director Walter B. Smith wrote, in a now declassified memorandum, to the director of the Psychological Strategy Board, "I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a proposal (TAB A) in which it is concluded that the problems connected with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for psychological warfare as well as for intelligence and operations." He went on to write in section 3 of the same memo, "I suggest that we discuss at an early board meeting the possible offensive or defensive utilization of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes.")

RJL: Were you instructed to keep this information secret?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: I have been warned at least three times.

RJL: Were you contacted after you returned to the states?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: Yes. Once by a government visitor to my home.

RJL: What type of ID did he show you?

CIC Veteran Cornwell: He showed me a Military Intelligence ID.


posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Stealth Spy

I bet that if Germany had won the war, the human race would have landed on the mars 20 years back

You should have said the human race MINUS all the Jews, Gypsies, and mentally retarded.

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:16 AM

^^Kenneth Arnold with sketch of an unidentified aircraft sighted in Washington State in June 1947


Russian Photo of downed craft (1940-1945) :

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:49 AM

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by Stealth Spy

I bet that if Germany had won the war, the human race would have landed on the mars 20 years back

You should have said the human race MINUS all the Jews, Gypsies, and mentally retarded.

- Yeah and not forgetting the political opponents, the petty vendetta victims, the awkward malcontents, the homosexuals, the lesbians, the disabled and those just not considered worthwhile people.....

......and not forgetting the multi-millions of 'ordinary' people that were slaughtered just because they thought that for some reason they deserved to run Europe and generally dominate much of the world.

Coooooo, wow, huh?
Imagine a world where that kind of people had won; Jayzuss wept.
Some people.

[edit on 8-6-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 07:54 AM


Interesting scenario


Looks like a testing cage to me too.

Also thought some peoples might like to yonder at the following light reading 8-o

Good brain stretch if anyone is needing one:


posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 10:36 AM

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
[Some people.

*angrily* Care to explain who this "some people" refers to ?

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
*angrily* Care to explain who this "some people" refers to ?

- How about the star-struck few who in their eagerness to believe every rumour and tall nazi tale coo and twitter as they imagine 'what might have been' in their over-excited state.......

.......whilst, naturally, putting all the associated horror to one side and ignoring it?

But heads up, I didn't call you anything, I do not call people names here.

If you have identified yourself with any of that Stealth Spy, then that is your problem and maybe your own conscience speaking to you.

They weren't great you know and they not only created a world of grotesque misery for the - thankfully - short time they had but, given the chance and longer, they would have amplified that misery with the "lights of perverted nazi science" as Winnie C once said.
A science that was utterly blind, as science tends to be, to the intentions of it's masters.

You have as much accuracy in your speculative guessing what they might have 'achieved' if you'd said they would have been more likely to exterminate several peoples utterly from the face of the earth as anything so high-minded as "man landing on Mars"........Jayzuss H.; what on earth led you to imagine that a likely outcome?!

[edit on 8-6-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 11:36 AM

Originally posted by jumpspace


Looks like a testing cage to me too.


For what though

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 09:29 PM
Thanks for your posts, Stealth Spy.

I am not going to go back to the German atomic projects. I have won that argument at another thread, but I will always address attempts by no-nothings to minimize 3rd Reich science. You know who you are without me naming names.

As for "anti-gravity", there is no such thing. There is only gravity but gravity is a push, not a pull. If you want references on this, I will be happy to provide them but I don't want to go into it here since your errors are errors but not essential to me wining this arguement. What you should be calling this type of craft is a field propulsion vehicle.

The Germans did do work in this area during the war and built something that flew. Foo fighters were not field propulsion vehicles and, for the moment, I will set aside the Schauberger models which did fly in favor of something which goes more to the heart of the issue. How about a flying vehicle 75-100 feet in diameter which takes off without benefit of chemical assistance, moves silently and stops the engines of ignition-based vehicles in the area? Is that "flying saucer" enough?

Before I give you the reference, a little background is necessary. During the 1950s, the CIA and the Air Force held sway over UFO research. This didn't make J. Edgar Hoover happy because he was being cut out of the loop. Hoover went to work but in the USA and in foreign countries gathering his own UFO information. Remember, he used information to blackmail his way through goverment, so information, about anything, was his stock and trade.

I don't know if any of you would-be investigators has ever tried to get information from the CIA but I have and you simply run into a "no record" with each and every inquiry. The Air Force is somewhat better but the records have been combed and sanitized so you get only what you can prove they (the Air Force) has.

The FBI is a different matter. THe FBI has files laying around from the Hoover days which apparently nobody knew what do do with. So, they kept them, just in case. And guess what, since they haven't got a clue about their significance or place in the over scheme of things, they produce them in cases in which the researcher can impose duress upon them.


Such is the case with FBI Files: 62-83894-383, 62-838994-384, 62-83894-385, dated 11/7/57 to 11/8/57. If you want to get off your lazy asses, you too can write to the Dept. of Justice, FBI, and get these files absolutely free. Tell them I said "hi".

These files involve a Polish immigrant to the USA who simply walked into an FBI office in Miami, Florida and told them what he had seen during the war in order to clarify the "Lubboc Lights" which were being seen over Texas at the time. The FBI was very interested in this guy and he became the subject of three files which were sent to several levels of the US goverment at the time (documented in the file).

This Polish guy was an agricultural worker in a small village east of Berlin. He was working under the direction of the SS. Nearby was a wooden stockade about 50 feet high. One day he heard a humming noise and the SS guards told the prisoners that the tractor and motorized vehicles would shortly fail, which they did. The humming continued and the prisoner saw a huge flying saucer rise from behind the stockage, level off, and move into the forest over the tops of the trees. Shortly thereafter, the SS snapped the spell under which these shocked prisoners had fallen and told them to start of the machinery and get back to work.

The Polish prisoner did manage to get a peek into the stockage. He said it contained a cement block-house with some 1 to 2 inch thick unisulated copper cables running out of it through and over spots in the enclosure with were pools of water. No aircraft fuel, no machinery, no mechanics.

The FBI was so impressed that it kept these files until the late 1990s when I obtained them (among others).

The issue has been raised as to if this technology was the basis of stealth. I have no idea. I also have no idea if the USA or any other government even got this technology. The SS didn't die with the collapse of the Reich and much information, money, people and even machine tools were moved out of Germany by aircraft and U-boat.

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 09:43 PM
Interesting stuff. I have read about it before but always been intrigued with German stuff, eg how did they get so close to atomic offence?

Van Braun condn't have just thought it up out of the blue or the deeper German 3rd Rich.
However B2 technology, in my opinion, had nothing in this technology areas accept the Rich's wooden V craft escaping radar.


posted on Jun, 24 2005 @ 03:07 AM
The only problem with the B-2/German link is that the B-2 was based on the work that Jack Northrop did with flying wings, including the XB-35. There was no technology transfer as most of the work was done during the war, work on both the German and American flying wings were done seperately. When Northrop designed the B-2 they took a lot of the work Jack Northrop did and incorporated it into the design.

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