US Anti-Gravity tech copied from Nazi developments:Jane's ;Great conspiracy

I must admit when I hear the vague almost science relating to all of this I am reminded of John Pertwee's Dr Who pseudo science stand-by " reverse the polarity"!

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Guys check this out :

Fascinating project demonstrates a phenomena of direct electrical reactions that produce a thrust generating the effect of “anti gravity”. You build a model space ship from simple materials and cause it to levitate without any visible means. Project includes a laboratory variable 10 to 30KV driver generating over 1ma at 20kv. Input can be a battery or our 12DC/7 converter for 115V operation. Video shows assembly and flying hints of many sized and shaped craft that require simple assembly and use low cost materials readily available.

See video of anti-gravity lift : www.amazing1.com.../download/GRA-1a.MPG




Other cool anti-gravity lift videos and experiments, plasma, levitation, etc at : www.amazing1.com...

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B-2 bomber's anti-gravity features, etc By Paul Laviolette, PhD

^^ MUST READ


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A good site on the physics of anti-gravity : www.totse.com...

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Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons
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This site has some great anti-gravity links along with details of its use in saucers for lift : www.padrak.com...
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150 cool anti-gravity links with description : www.mysteries-megasite.com...

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Chronology of US Antigravity Research

And after a while of research, i finally bumped on a Jane's article on US antigravity.

Boeing, the world’s largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is working on experimental anti-gravity projects that could overturn a century of conventional aerospace propulsion technology if the science underpinning them can be engineered into hardware.

As part of the effort, which is being run out of Boeing’s Phantom Works advanced research and development facility in Seattle, the company is trying to solicit the services of a Russian scientist who claims he has developed anti-gravity devices. So far, however, Boeing has fallen foul of Russian technology transfer controls (Moscow wants to stem the exodus of Russian high technology to the West).

www.janes.com...



Also check out this very very very well organised compilation of everything related to anti-gravity. This is a must see. Please look at it.

LINK


What do you guys have to say now ??

[edit on 2-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]

I bet the USA, UK and the USSR took all these aircraft projects along with the scientists responsible :

WWII German Aircraft Projects (look at the page of each manufacturer on top).

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I was unaware of this and this thread is not my attempt to resurface an alredy discussed topic as you presume.

I wasn't actually presuming that at all. I figured you were unaware the subject had been covered.

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Besides, intelgurl has'nt posted for like ~2 months. What's up ?

She's at the UAV Battlelab at Nellis/Indian Springs AFB's.

Boeing, the world’s largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is working on experimental anti-gravity projects

the company is trying to solicit the services of a Russian scientist who claims he has developed anti-gravity devices

www.janes.com...

This doesn't confirm that it exists, merely that they are trying to get it working.

I've seen anti-grav videos like that before, they're pretty cool and lead me to believe that the technology exists and is possibly even being used on some level by a completed anti-grav vehicle.

However since that is what we are capable of right now, as far as we are aware of, to believe the Nazi's had the technology or were on the verge of having the technology to do so in the 30's-40's seems farfetched. Maybe they had the theory and the plans, but that's about it.

Since Boeing seems to believe that this Russian scientist knows something, i wonder what Russia has in terms of anti-gravity plans/technology? People are always ragging on the Russians, but i've always felt they know a lot more about these types of things than most think.

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
What do you guys have to say now ??

- Speaking only for myself of course I'd say that I have no doubt that people are persuing various theories and studying the whole general subject.

But then again, so what?

You'll find all sorts of paranormal research was funded once upon a time (by the US gov for instance post WW2 and into the 1980's IIRC).
It might have turned out to have been a total waste of time but on the other hand compared to the resources at their disposal the project cost buttons, so why not, if it had produced something worthwhile it would have been worth it, right?

Same deal here I bet.

All sorts of people have made all sorts of claims (usually relating to gyroscopic effects in electrical fields) and some quirky experiments and effects have been claimed for decades, sadly when it comes to sober science doing something repeatable in public it just never quite seems to work.

Still, someone somewhere might be on to something sometime. You never know.

......er, except I do think we can be pretty certain that the claims regarding nazis (and secret arctic bases, cloned Hitlers, nazi A-bombs and that whole 'they won really' cobblers etc etc) are a total crock.

BTW have you ever seen Harry Blackstone Jr do the floating light bulb trick?

Wow, anti grav or what?


[edit on 2-6-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I do think we can be pretty certain that the claims regarding nazi A-bombs are a total crock.

Even the BBC has given merit to these claims.

Hitler tested small atom bomb

A German historian has claimed in a new book presented on Monday that Nazi scientists successfully tested a tactical nuclear weapon in the last months of World War II.

Rainer Karlsch said that new research in Soviet and also Western archives, along with measurements carried out at one of the test sites, provided evidence for the existence of the weapon.

"The important thing in my book is the finding that the Germans had an atomic reactor near Berlin which was running for a short while, perhaps some days or weeks," he told the BBC.

"The second important finding was the atomic tests carried out in Thuringia and on the Baltic Sea."

Mr Karlsch describes what the Germans had as a "hybrid tactical nuclear weapon" much smaller than those dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

"It's clear there was no master plan for developing atom bombs. But it's also clear the Germans were the first to make atomic energy useable, and that at the end of this development was a successful test of a tactical nuclear weapon."

Read the rest (best part) : news.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Even the BBC has given merit to these claims.

- No, if you read the article properly you will find that the BBC reported these claims and reported the appearance of an undated and highly suspicious drawing (and not what one would describe as a proper and serious technical drawing either) used to substantiate these mere claims.

The BBC gave no actual credit either way, it merely reported the story.

Now 60yrs on I'd say that is not exactly much, it's not like a test casing and set of proper technical drawings were found is it, hmmmm?

Or a manufacturers (or most likely series of manufacturers) instructions and order papers found.

Or the notes of the huge numbers of scientists that would have to have been employed on the project have suddenly sprung up along with their provable research, hmmm?

This is the usual crock; apparantly what took everyone else enormous resources to do a couple of super secret nazis managed in total secrecy and almost won the war all on their own.....but it's a bit sketchy cos it all happened in the last days.

I smell a book launch. Again.

You can choose to believe that kind of nonsense if you like matey but I'll be wanting a hell of a lot more evidence than a suspicious and undated sketch and a handful of claims (utterly at odds with those of the serious and senior people we do know were employed on the matter.)

From another BRITISH source :

Hitler won atomic bomb race, but couldn't drop it

ADOLF Hitler had the atom bomb first but it was too primitive and ungainly for aerial deployment, says a new book that indicates the race to split the atom was much closer than is believed.

Nazi scientists carried out tests of what would now be called a dirty nuclear device in the waning days of World War II, writes Rainer Karlsch, a German historian, in his book Hitler's Bomb, to be be published this month.

A US historian, Mark Walker, an expert on the Third Reich's atomic weapons program, lent his support to Karlsch's claims on Thursday. "I consider the arguments very convincing," he said.

.......Among the most compelling pieces of evidence is a 1941 patent draft for a plutonium bomb....He also based his findings on radiation measurements and soil analysis."......

Read full article at : www.fpp.co.uk...

^^British and American Intelligence experts of the ALSOS team dismantle the German experimental reactor at Haigerloch in May 1945.


Or here, another british source from a news paper "The Times"

Hitler scientists built basic nuclear bombs

^^ The article says that nuclear fission demonstrated in Germany in 1938

Go find it out yourself.

Britain's WWII secret army uncovered

Originally posted by Stealth Spy

From another BRITISH source :


Hitler won atomic bomb race, but couldn't drop it

ADOLF Hitler had the atom bomb first but it was too primitive and ungainly for aerial deployment, says a new book that indicates the race to split the atom was much closer than is believed.

Nazi scientists carried out tests of what would now be called a dirty nuclear device in the waning days of World War II, writes Rainer Karlsch, a German historian, in his book Hitler's Bomb, to be be published this month.

- Oh come on; this is the same thin unproven claims being reported, it is merely a report in the Times as opposed to the BBC. So what?

......and if there actually was a bomb then they'll be able to prove it, yes?
Maybe with the proper technical drawings etc etc.
Yeah right.

A US historian, Mark Walker

- Not an actual nuclear physicist then, hmm?

an expert on the Third Reich's atomic weapons program

- Actually I found this on him -

Prof. Dr. Mark Walker (Union College, Schenectady, NY)
Visiting scholar from 1 May - 31 July 2001.

Mark Walker, historian of science, is a professor of history at Union College in Schenectady, New York. He is examining the history of the German nuclear research.

Research project: Otto Hahn and the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Chemistry. A comparative history of science at the KWS in the Third Reich.

Other fields of research: Natural sciences during National Socialism and their relation to the fields of technology and medicine.

Publications (selection):
- Mark Walker, German National Socialism and the quest for nuclear power: 1939-1949, Cambridge 1989;
- Mark Walker, Physics and Propaganda. Werner Heisenberg’s Foreign Lectures under National Socialism, in: Historical Studies in the Physical and Biological Sciences 22, 1992;
- Mark Walker/Monika Renneberg (ed.), Science, Technology, and National Socialism, Cambridge 1993; Selbstreflexionen deutscher Atomphysiker. Die Farm Hall-Protokolle und die Entstehung neuer Legenden um die "deutsche Atombombe", in: Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 41, 1993;
- Mark Walker, A Comparative History of Nuclear Weapons, in: Doris Kaufmann (ed.), Geschichte der Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gesellschaft im Nationalsozialismus. Bestandsaufnahme und Perspektiven der Forschung, 2 Bde., Göttingen 2000;
- Mark Walker (ed.), Science and Ideology. A Comparative History, London (im Erscheinen)

- Very heavy on 3rd Reich stuff but that still doesn't prove anything either way.

Note that the sketch was undated and has no referencing or title page or anything to indicate its' sourcing........what serious scientist would hold that up as substantive proof of anything?
Talk about take a heavy bash to ones' credibility.

Like I said, watch out.
A bit of a splash in the news and oh look there's a new book coming out.

Afterall those years chasing the ghosts of Hitler & Co. where's the surprise?
.....or am I just being too harsh?

Mind you in view of the quote lower I found it might be that he and his credentials are being used to imply something that is the opposite of what he has actually said.

Among the most compelling pieces of evidence is a 1941 patent draft for a plutonium bomb.

- What a crock, this relies totally on people's ignorance. There is a world of difference between a mere idea and theory and the practical.

As you have found out the Germans demonstrated nuclear fisson, that is nothing like making 'the bomb'.

No one is saying Germany had no clue, they did (to a point) that is why there were billions spent getting the bomb first.

What people are saying is that given what was found and the statements and documented work of those involved on their project they were no where near producing an atomic bomb.

...He also based his findings on radiation measurements and soil analysis."......

- Now hang on, check some more sources as to what is actually being said here.
Check this out -

The pair says the rough schematic does not imply that the Nazis built or even were close to building a nuclear bomb, but it shows they had progressed farther toward that goal than is conventionally thought.

The article appears in the June issue of the British monthly Physics World.

www.abc.net.au...

In any case can we expect these provable measurements will be headline news and examined and documented across the globe sometime soon, right?

Yeah right.

British and American Intelligence experts of the ALSOS team dismantle the German experimental reactor at Haigerloch in May 1945.

- and what?
This was yet another crude attempt to produce a functioning atomic pile which didn't work.

Or here, another british source from a news paper "The Times"

- Yup another news outlet reporting the claims, nothing more.

The article says that nuclear fission demonstrated in Germany in 1938

- Well duuuuuuh!

This is no secret, what do you think triggered the WW2 'race' in the first place?

However there is (once again) a huge world of difference between demonstrating the theory of nuclear fission and constructing any kind of bomb device.

(By the way Stealth Spy please do not use David Irving sources and expect the slightest bit of credibility from me in future, k?)


[edit on 2-6-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

Stealth Spy, you seem increasingly desperate to prove SOMETHING with these posts but I'm not quite sure what it is.

The articles you posted relating to Boeing, BAE etc and anti gravity research say exactly what I was saying was likely, that work is going on in this sphere, no big secret there. However they say NOTHING of secret anti grav warplanes made out of captured German tech operating in secret, do they?

Sminkey has already beaten me to pointing oout the difference between the BBC and the Times giving credence to something and merely reporting claims, this appears to be a distinction you are having difficulty with.

A thought occurs to me on the German atom bomb front (and I'm still waiting for an answer on the X-22) Given the desperation of Hitlers situation in April 1945 why wasn't at least one atomic booby trap laid before the advancing allies? This would have stopped us dead and Hitler would have known it and not cared about the consequences. Unless they DIDN'T have the bomb really?

Another question relating to a point made earlier. Why would an all-wing aircraft (like the B-2) need an anti gravity device installed?

You see its the simple points that usually trip up these theories.

Iv'e read a little about this and I suppose after it was all said and done and the 'semi'-elite of high altitude scientists were exported to the U.S., I have wondered where the Nazis got the Disc shaped craft idea from? I'm somewhat sure some of their drawn animations are not from their total-elite scientists but perhap's from another advanced technological race?

Dallas

Originally posted by Dallas

Iv'e read a little about this and I suppose after it was all said and done and the 'semi'-elite of high altitude scientists were exported to the U.S., I have wondered where the Nazis got the Disc shaped craft idea from?

- I'd say this is as good an explaination of why (in this case in the USA) as any (and no need for little green men either)

During the Second World War the United States was looking desperately for anything that could give its fighter pilots an edge in combat. So in 1942 the Navy ordered the construction of an experimental aircraft designated the XF5U-1: A flying saucer.

www.unmuseum.org...

Anecdotal story -

I was at a Boeing plant in Anaheim for a meeting (selling computer software). While waiting for our contact to escort us into a non-clearance area of the complex for a demo, myself and colleague were both on separate cell calls when a black helo flew in and a both cells had their calls dropped. Were talking on two different carriers and tech - once GSM and one TDMA....

We casually mentioned the cell phone drops to the security guard at the sign in area and he says that it "happens when a "big wig flies in". We of course ask what they made at the complex and the answer was "space stuff and they are working on anti-gravity...." We of course go "really, anti-gravity??" and he just says "yup"....

This was late 2002 so who knows....

Guys, congratulations for miserably failing to rub your absymal ignorance onto me.

While you have no problem accepting the Jane's article on work on anti-gravity you resist the other Jane's article claiming that the developments were derrived from previous Nazi developments in the same field. If this isi'nt bias then what is ?

And related to the B-2 anti-gravity part, i have alredy given you links to reasons on why it may use anti gravity which you have not bothered reading. Anyway, here's another try : GO READ THIS : www.americanantigravity.com...

and if you have any queries on it then e-mail this PhD guy who has authored it at [email protected]

And to claim pics and links on anti-gravity propulsion as a light bulb experiment..is nothing short of the Ignor____ (fill the blanks yourself)

And waynos, i have no knodwlege about any Bell X-22 that you speak of, let alone comparing it with the Lockheed X-22.

But i can tell you that on several ocassions there have been totally different aircrafts with the same name.

And lastly, i dont work on these things at a research facility or something. Heck i am still in school. All that i know of is through the links that i posted and for the same reason i am not in a position to answer any technical details that you guys ask for.

Well, I'll be stuffed!

Some time ago I looked into the German UFO's (vril, Hannebu etc) for a reason and I found photos and blueprints exactly as I saw in a "vision". I also saw why they had problems and how the devices worked.

I made contact with a gentleman and I found heaps of blueprints, photos etc etc...however...

I went to get those URL's so I could paste them here but, alas, they have all been "taken down". What I did find is the following, however these links show FAR LESS what was out there:

Here's a good summary of German UFO/Anti-Grav:

www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

Some more history:

www.think-aboutit.com...
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

And the ATS link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

One site that had all the blue-prints etc was at:

www.uiea.co.uk..., however, as you can see, it's down

Cheers

JS

Aaahhh...found some photo's of VRIL and Hannebu etc:

thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...
www.gaiaguys.net...
www.stevequayle.com...

Cheers

JS