you've probably seen this but

After dnlding all the text files on his website, I found 13 references to "reveal", all spelled and used correctly. Some of his updates are around the same time, and after JT's posts. I hate to say it, but I don't think this is the guy. I'd like it to be him, though. Then I could stop thinking about this.

Man, why are there so many post on this topic?

... let's not get to off topic here...


pub66.ezboard.com...
basically says this guy tried to hack Titor down but could never come up with him.

Okay. I think things are in a limbo until RG emails someone back.
We know that he never posted to that linux mailing list at the same time JT posted.

We know that RGs page spelled reveal correctly, while JT did not.

We know some very blatently posted a link to a guy that know whole lot of goodness and had the background to pull something like this off. So we wait for email confirmation...

I'm calling it a night.

cheers
ktpr

right...on topic..

What do we do...call Art Bell?

We should just wait to see if he emails back. If he doesn't I'll call him. If that doesn't work, I'll send him some certified mail. If that doesn't work, I'm sure we can find an ATS member to visit him during office hours.

Although I fail to see how this matters, since I post at several forums myself, but Brown posted multiple times on that Geocrawler forum in Dec/2000 and also Feb/2001. Possibly more, but I saw these in the google search you posted above.

Even if that is the guy, what makes you think he'd reveal himself? If he hasn't yet, he probably never will.

[Edited on 3-9-2003 by Satyr]

I think all this posting broke the board. It says there are an infinte number of pages from here. Very strange.

How many of you think it's worth it to catalog all his info. I don't really think it is.

Now I'm really going to bed

edit - it was a page loading error that made many numbers

[Edited on 3-9-2003 by ktprktpr]

I saw your message seemingly ages ago as to your interest in m epossibly joining the team as designated skeptic. I am down with soem research and some healthy argument, but i am afraid i may not be able to contribute enough time to the project to be effective. I am also a big fan of the stooges, and appreciate MA's post. I am also eagerly awaiting our coming debate...
But if there is a way that I can contribute, without lettign you down if I do not have the tiem to thoroughly pour through the entire transcripts I would love to. Let me know what you need (especially if its devils advocacy) and I will do what I can.....

Ok, I used to be a Stooges fan, but maybe I missed something? What did that post have to do with Stooges?

Satyr

I hope you are not thinking of Larry, Curly & Moe.. but of Mr James Osterberg's ensemble.

1969 was, as was cited, the first song off the first album, recorded in 1969, baby.

For those that may still have lingering doubts about the John Titor hoax, I have researched Robert G. Brown (RGB) and can provide at least several more causal links to his penning of the John Titor hoax.

RGB is a prolific poster. This is just a sample of the sites I found him posting in.

linuxtoday.com...

sources.redhat.com...

www.cruxweb.com...

www.homoexcelsior.com...

RGB is a member of a Yahoo group that studies a wide variety of topics including Time Travel

groups.yahoo.com...

While searching through his course work I found that he pals around with Clifford Pickover.

�This problem has generated quite a bit of attention. No consensus has been reached by my think tank at the Pickover Discussion Group.�

Clifford Pickover has a very interesting site and has authored books on Time Travel and Black Holes. Black Holes: A Traveler's Guide and Time: A Traveler's Guide .

sprott.physics.wisc.edu...

sprott.physics.wisc.edu...

In the indexed terms Time: A Traveler�s Guide we see Mr. Pickover has used the term �Worldlines�. JT/RGB used the same terminology to explain Time Travel.

Mr. Pickover even has his own Time Traveler experiment.

sprott.physics.wisc.edu...

Coincidently, Mr. Pickover has inadvertency been posted here as he contributed to the PBS special on Time Travel that was referenced earlier in the thread.

www.pbs.org...

Mr. Pickover is also a researcher for IBM.

sprott.physics.wisc.edu...

In all likely estimations, Robert Brown and Clifford Pickover collaborated on the hoax.

WOW-great stuff, Kukla!

I really hope this guy makes a statement on this.

The guy has will power not to return to the scene of the crime, I gotta give him that much.

I'm sure he probably has returned to the "scene(s)". I'm just glad to finally have an answer.

So much for Pamela's book...

If it is him, who do you suppose would've given the clue? And how would they know? Why would a clue be given, if he and his collaborator have gone through so much effort to remain anonymous? I hope he'll spill the beans, if it is his doing.

Nice research! But did you find anything of RGB's about time travel, or any other similar topic? I still have yet to see anything except computer topics from him, so far. BTW, where do you see him in that yahoo group? I can't find him. Not under his name anyway.

[Edited on 3-9-2003 by Satyr]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, ktprktpr wrote:
> Does this seem familar to you?
> ---
> A Soldier's Winter
>
> The day before it wasn't snowing.
>
> The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the
> ash of winter ..my world, my life, my wandering path.
>
> I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and
> remind me that I am still His child.
> ----
>
> it was on johntitor.com...
> I'd like to know the truth

You're the second person in a row to ask me about John Titor. So now I know of the existence of the urbanlegends website, but of course it is a
hoax/joke...

...and that's the truth.;-)

rgb
>
> cheers
> ktpr

That's it??????

What does that say? NOT much!
I would have said that if people started e-mailing me about something like this-just to make them go away and stop bothering me!

I'm looking for the entire bearing of the soul, here. The big enchilada! We got a wink. He is still my vote that he is the guy, but I want his admission, other than a f*ck-you wink

I heard back from the RBG. Notice he doesn't even ask how I linked it to him.

ps..i dropped wired magazine a note. they busted the bob smith hoaxer earlier in august. maybe they have some interest.



On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, xxxxxx wrote:

(Thanks for the prose-praise:-)

> I am undoubtedly the first person to ask this
> considering your upshot in traffic this month. Do you
> have any relation to the 6 month saga of John Titor?

Not that I know of -- in fact your question is the first I've heard of
it. Now, of course, I've visited the urbanlegends website and read a
bit, and of course it is a hoax and joke. Coming back in a 1967 Chevy?
Gimme a break. Not to mention the "thermodynamic" argument. Recall
the
issue about life on other planets and alien space travel? If Life is
(as one might expect) common as dirt in the cosmos, and intelligent
life
pretty much inevitable given enough evolutionary time and room, and
interstellar travel is feasible, why doesn't SETI fall all over
signals,
why don't we have hot and cold running aliens visiting, where the hell
IS everybody? All of these questions apply to this sort of time travel
as well. Consider:

a) Time travel in 2036 is "cheap". Sure, he used a 1967 Chevy,
which
by 2036 post a war that killed 3x10^9 people (presumably with loud
noises that are hard on cities and cars) would be a real collectors
item. In fact, a 1967 Chevy is a bit of a collectors item today -- a
real antique. So he must be moderately well off, but still, TT is a
CONSUMER COMMODITY. Buy the apparatus, install it in any handy vehicle
(or not -- there seems to be little reason for the "vehicle" to have
tires and indeed a "shed" equipped with an air supply would work a lot
better than a car without one) and off you go.

b) Manifestly there is little restriction on its use. He has little
special training, it was cheap, anybody can do it, EVERYBODY can do it,
the government(s) can do it, the wacko fringe groups can do it, the
radical terrorist religions can do it, and there is no reason to expect
that in 2040 one suddenly can NOT do it, so there is a virtual infinity
of future times where one can do it with better and better models to do
it with.

c) There are poor people with little by way of prospects in the
future. They too can do it, and they have a really strong incentive to
come back in time armed with stock tips as they can be rich here (and
have foreknowledge of where to live to avoid the coming wars) and they
are poor in the future. They can be REALLY rich and REALLY famous.
Connecticut Yankees one and all. I mean, if I (a physicist) went back
in time a mere 50 years I could stack up Nobel Prizes to my ears. Even
YOU could probably get a few -- 3 degree blackbody microwave background
from the big bang? In my pocket. Lasers? Piece of cake. Hi T
superconductivity? Well, who DOESN'T know to look in cupric ceramics,
and knowing where to look is everything (especially with the money from
the first couple of prizes to start the search with). Transisitors,
integrated circuits, personal computers (why wait for Bill Gates and
IBM
when you can BE Bill Gates better than he ever was). A simple trip to
a
library to steal a few references (no need to worry about returning
them:-) and you're armed with "magical power".

So where IS everybody? We should be living in an absolute chaos of
time
travellers competing with each other for living space, fame space,
fortune space, promoting wacko/fanatical ideas (armed with weapons
technology from the distant future). Hell, there would be at least one
idiot who would get the clever idea of looping himself in time to build
up an "army of selves" all living in the same quiet "perfect" year from
the past. And of course one of the most precious secrets they'd carry
backwards in time would be how to build time machines -- this knowledge
would diffuse backwards in time almost as fast as the rest of physics,
biology, chemistry.

So cute idea and worth praise as a sort of "running story", but alas,
time travel per se, especially CHEAP time travel or EASY time travel,
still contains all of the usual problems. The only way it could be
consistent at all even in a many worlds interpretation (where it isn't
really "time travel", it is just jumping world lines into different
manifolds altogether that may or may not resemble time displaced
versions of your starting point) is if it is very difficult, unlikely,
expensive and hence very, very rare...

rgb

[Edited on 3-9-2003 by kukla]

edit..i just wrote him back.







[Edited on 3-9-2003 by kukla]

[Edited on 3-9-2003 by kukla]

Wow. He has a very good point. If it;s cheap and stuff why isn't everyon and their dog doing it? Even if it's coming into vogue 2036, later on it'll and everyone would be coming to "now".

It does bother me that he didn't say that he did it. It also seems strange that this is the first he's heard of it and he was able to reply so well, like minimal reading.

At any rate I'm almost sold that it's a haox. I'm still keeping an eye for 2005. If you *want* to go ahead and catalog his statements I'm happy to help, I wrote a proposal and got my spreadsheet app set up to take the data. But basically it's gotta be a hoax at this point.


edit - a problem. I gave him a link to this thread, so he might be reading it. *shivers*

[Edited on 3-9-2003 by ktprktpr]

HELLO RGB!!!

Welcome and enjoy your stay..