Since I believe God is coming for believers before the tribulation period I need to say a couple of things. A christian is not saved by their deeds. I
am saved because Christ died for MY SINS. His atoning sacrifice makes me acceptable to God. I have my faith in that alone.
I believe God is coming I believe in the Resurrection and yes (A christian is not saved by their deeds) but i do not believe in the rapture before the
tribulation because of many reasons which make me doubt the truth of this doctrine
1)-Is it a Man made doctrine?
2)-Dose it have a biblical foundation?
3)-Is there a luciferian conspiracy behind this movement?
1)-Its a Man made doctrine.
The teaching that the Church--in whole or in part--will be caught up to heaven before the reign of the man of sin, the anti-Christ, did not appear in
church history until the early part of the 1800's.
Neither any of the early church fathers, neither the early saints like Augustine of the Coptic church and Ephraim of the Syriac church, neither later
church writers taught this' doctrine. Neither did the early church creeds of modern times before the 1800's teach this doctrine. On the contrary,
when they referred to the last days of the Church, they said that the Church would continue on earth to the end of the reign of the anti-Christ.
Of course, belief of Church fathers' creeds does not prove always a doctrine is true. The Bible is the proof standard, and it is the only thing we
stand upon and follow.
How have we gotten this new doctrine?
In March, 1830, a woman in Richard Baxter's church in London, England, when under supernatural power, prophesied that the Lord Jesus might come any
time and that true believers in Him might any day be caught up by translation to heaven. This woman and this church were connected with the Irvingite
movement that soon went astray on many false doctrines. The Irvingite movement placed much emphasis on prophesying under supernatural power, etc.
At the same time, John Darby and a little group of men gathered at PLYMOUTH, England, to engage in independent Bible study which later they formed The
Plymouth Brethren group which still exists in England and other countries. Although Darby and his group of Plymouth Brethren were not part of the
Irvingite movement, they nevertheless accepted this prophecy as coming from the Lord and they incorporated it in their teaching.
Darby was one of the most influential preachers in England at that time. He liked this easy way, escape-tribulation doctrine. But George Muller, of
the famous Muller orphanage, and Spurgeon and many other famous preachers opposed this new teaching. But Darby and his group proceeded with the new
interpretations and went on teaching this new doctrine. Later, Charles Schofield became one of the Darby line and closely associated with the brethren
teaching of the secret Rap- ture of the Church and eternal security teaching.
Another man named W. E. Blackstone wrote a book called Jesus Is Coming. He summarized the Darby-Schofield teaching of the secret Rapture of the
Church, and with the help of some rich believers at that time published this book and spread it widely to preachers and missionaries around the world,
free of charge. Oswald Smith of Canada and Henry Frost (American secretary of the China Inland Mission)--prominent men at that time-- opposed this
doctrine, but it was too late to reverse the wide spread of the book, Jesus Is Coming. And later the Church went on, preachers divided into two
opinions and doctrines. Some believe in the secret Rapture, easy escape, of the Church prior to the tribulation, while others believe that the Church
will go through the tribulation and the Lord Jesus will come after the tribulation and the appearing of the man of sin.
Note: You can believe either way you want.
It does not make any difference and will have no effect on your eternal salvation. What will affect your eternal salvation is if there is secret sin
in your life and any disobedience of any clear Scripture that pertains to holiness and righteousness. But Rapture prior or at the end of Tribulation
is not a basic doctrine. The one basic Doctrine is that He is coming to take the Church, His body of believers who lived for Him and kept holy as He
is holy. And holiness without no man shall see the Lord. Sin will keep one out of heaven and the pearly gates, as Jesus told those who professed they
2)-It has no biblecul fandation
WHEN WILL JESUS RETURN???
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son
of perdition;..." (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.)
From reading the above mentioned verses carefully, it definitely states that the coming of Christ and the translation of the living believers [saints]
would not be until after the reign of the man of sin.
The man of sin MUST first be revealed. On this basis, we believe that Christ will appear to gather His saints to him after the reign of the
Anti-Christ at the end of the tribulation. And we quote the Scriptures from the Holy Bible. So we can base our belief on what is written in the Bible.
"And as [Jesus] sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be
the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet....
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place [see Dan. 11:3135], (whoso
readeth, let him understand
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be....
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."(Matt. 24:3-6,15,21,29-30.)
The Christian world is divided into two opinions. Some believe that there will be a secret, invisible return of Jesus in the sky where the saints will
be translated secretly before the beginning of the tribulation and the revelation of the man of sin which will start soon in our time by the appearing
of the beast and the world ruler and climax by the rulership of the man of sin.
The other group who makes the majority, believe that the Lord will come after those days of tribulation as it is mentioned clearly in the Scripture
proofs we mentioned.
Now to this frist gruop of belivers i would like to ask some questions.
With the fifth seal, we are told WHY God would bring such judgments.
Souls have been slain for the word of God and their testimony, and when
the time is right the judgments will begin. In the meantime, the souls
of the slain are comforted with white robes and told to rest
Revelation 7:15 And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the
blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore,
1)-So who are these saints?
2)-arent all christians already in heaven?
Daniel 7:21,22 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced
judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition.
4)-Wasn't god supposed to come frist?
Matthew 24:15-22 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet
Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take
anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing
mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the
beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of
the elect those days will be shortened.
5)-who is Jesus advising to flee?
6)-could it be that Jesus is speaking to the elect?
7)-why are the days been shorten?
these are just a few of the thousands of question which make me doubt this false doctrin.
3)-theres a luciferian conspiracy behind this movement.
All those who belive in the post-rapture (PRE - TRIB AND PRE - WRATH)
will be wating for the return for a false messiah.
The Coming of Antichrist Will be a Counterfeit Fulfillment of Prophey
The second coming of Christ
1)-Christ arrives st the end of a great war--Armadeddon
2)-the war will end in fire for the enemies of Israel
3)-Christ comes with his holy ones, His raptured saints
4)-Christ sets up an era of peace as ruler of the earth
5)-Christ builds the Millennial Temple of Ezekiel 40
The coming of the Antichrist
1)-Antichrist arrives at end of a great war--- Gog & Magog
2)-the war will end in fire for the enemies of Israel
3)-Antichrist come with his "holy ones" ---nephillin angels
4)-Antichrist sets up era of peace under global dictataorship
5)-Antichrist allows building of third Jerusalem Temple
PRE - TRIB AND PRE - WRATH
Some Christians expect the Rapture before the Tribulation. Others expect it at the end of the Tribulation just before the Wrath of God is poured out.
The reason, as I see it after over 36 years of intense Bible study, is because there actually will be two Raptures. The first one is the Rapture of
the Church, the second of the Tribulation saints.
This theory posits two raptures, rather than examining the possibility that prophecy points to ONE RAPTURE in two phases -- the resurrection of the
dead occurs first, then at some later time the remaining faithful are "changed" and meet those resurrected ALREADY IN THE AIR.
And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and
on the corner of the altar, desolating abominations, even until the end. Daniel 9:27
Our research suggests we will not know the identity of the antichrist until the covenant is "confirmed". This covenant or treaty "with the many",
will deal with Israel and the Temple Mount sacrifice. Prophecy tells us the antichrist breaks the covenant or treaty by CAUSING THE SACRIFICE TO
CEASE... therefore, the covenant must be one that BEGINS the system of sacrifice on the Temple Mount! The covenant of Daniel 9 is no ordinary "peace
treaty", but must deal specifically with the Temple Mount sacrifice.
It was not valid to expect the Tribulation to occur in the year 1000, or any year between 70AD to 1948. The State of Israel did not exist. The end
time prophecy of Daniel concerning the reinstated Jewish sacrifice can not be fulfilled by events taking place anywhere else but the Jerusalem Temple
Mount. Apocalyptic prophecy simply could not have been fulfilled prior to THIS GENERATION.
In Israel, preparations have already been made for the prophetic rebuilding of a Jewish temple, which has not existed for 1,926 years. Such websites
as templemount.org catalog the efforts of many towards this end.
The most coveted and contested property in all Israel is the temple mount. In 1967 at the victorious culmination of the 6 day war, Israel captured the
temple mount. For the first time in over 2,300 years, Israel again had control of the holiest site in Judaism. Despite Israel's incredible victory of
the 6 day war and their miraculous recovery of the land where the first and second temple once stood, the Israeli government turned over authority of
the temple mount to the Moslems. Will they always control it? The prophet Daniel 9:27 is specific about the future of the temple mount in
Our research suggests that Daniel's 70th Week starts on the eve of Passover.
There are several clues:
Elijah will come back on Passover in fulfillment of Jewish expectations & prophecy.
Elijah will decry the antichrist for 1260 days - Revelation 11:3
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the
coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD -Malachi 4:1-5
As a result of the tradition that Elijah did not die but is with God, significant expectations of Elijah's future return developed within Judaism and
Christianity. It was believed that Elijah would someday come back to earth, and his arrival would signal the dawn of the Messianic era. For texts that
seem to connect Elijah with the future messiah, see Malachi 4:4-6, Sirach 48:9, and in the New Testament Mark 9:2-13. The cup of Elijah of the Jewish
passover seder is another example of this expectation.
This period of 1260 days reappears throughout end time prophecy.
Take note of these event-filled 3 1/2 Biblical years:
Antichrist's psuedo-peace reigns over the world for 1260 days - Daniel 12:7
Antichrist kills and persecutes Christians freely for 1260 days - Revelation 13:5
Why is antichrist's power over Christians broken after 1260 days?
Antichrist goes in to the temple and breaks the treaty of Daniel after 1260 days!
And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week (7 years of 360 days each = 2520 days). And in the middle of the week (halfway through 2520
days = 1260 days) he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and on the corner of the altar, desolating abominations, even until the end.
Why is antichrist's power over Christians broken after 1260 days? After 1260 days antichrist goes in to the temple and breaks the treaty of Daniel
9:27. When antichrist desecrates the temple, those in Israel who thought he was Messiah will realize that he is a False Messiah ... antichrist will no
longer be able to rule from Jerusalem.
The Abomination of Desolation - Another Timeline Clue
The abomination of desolation takes place 1260 days AFTER the treaty of Daniel 9:27 is signed. 1260 days after Passover is Tabernacles, another
typologically significant Feast of Israel. The Feast of Tabernacles alludes to another significant prophetic event.
Because the treaty of Daniel 9:27 occurs on the eve of Passover "of some year", our studies conclude that a "False Armageddon" scenario will occur
JUST BEFORE this treaty, perhaps around Purim. Interestingly enough, this Feast of Israel does occur just before Passover, and the typology seems
appropriate for the timing of the Gog/Magog scenario of Ezekiel -- which will SEEM like Armageddon. Haman has been viewed as a "type" of antichrist,
and the prophecy of Ezekiel specifically calls the defeated forces of Gog/Magog "Haman - Gog".
Some groups among religious Jews believe that the messiah himself will miraculously come and build a new temple in Jerusalem. However, the Bible
points out that men will build the temple, and messiah will come soon after. Adherents to the former view are vulnerable to the lies of a false
messiah. When the Antichrist makes possible the miraculous restoration of sacrifice on the temple mount, many in Israel, and the world, will view this
as evidence that he is the long awaited messiah. Without faith in Jesus, many will be blinded to the facts and timing of prophecy.
When considering the identity of the antichrist, keep in mind he must be acceptable to Israel
Antichrist Will SEEM Like the Messiah to Israel