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CIA vs. NSA

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posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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It sounds like an ineresting job. I know someone who works for one of the agencies, and i know they had to do a lot of backgroud checks on him. I know he does something with Internet Security, but I don't know what. He's probably one of the people who watch over this site. So i guess if he is watching. I'd like to give a shout out to him.




posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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if anyone has read the book 'body of secrets' they will have a good idea of how the nsa works..........

ADVISOR wrote that the cia is the 'black sheep' whilst nsa is the 'white sheep'......a more accurate statement would be that the nsa is the 'invisible sheep'...a running joke in the nsa has been that it stands for No Such Agency...and size wise, it DWARFS the cia by tens of thousands of employees and hundreds of millions in budgets.

and if you like crunching numbers, the nsa would be for you.......on the other hand, if dirty little wars and coc aine trafficking appeal to you, go for the cia



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok


he has a masters in INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS and TRADE and speaks fluent JAPANESE. he's been stationed overseas with his family in the american embassy compounds.

anyway........he swears its a desk job..........but then he's supposed to say that!


Sounds to me like he's a Japanese "Case Officer". Sat analysts would be in Langley...
His skills seem ideal for a Case Officer. It is kind of a desk job though, with the only real risk being in "first contact".

The Case Officer's job is to recruit and coordinate foreign citizens to spy on their nation (often bribes, criminal protection, etc. etc.). It's the foreign citizens who do the "James Bond" work. Whereas the Case Officer is more like "Felix" from the Bond flicks...


That concludes Intel101 for today...



thanks GAZROK for intel 101.........appreciate it! actually we've always suspected he was more than he let on...........yrs ago when he was still in the states........he had "the beeper" first call if terrorist activity occurred in the us or anywhere in the world.

his wife was freaked about it.........so what does he do........sneaks off in to the back room and dials the pager and makes it go off...........she WIGGED.......ran screeching down the hall calling him COME HERE the PAGER IS GOING OFF........THE PAGER IS GOING OFF.......

so i don't know what exactly he does..............

they were in japan for 4yrs but now have the distinct DISPLEASURE of living in paris france..........he must have pisssed someone off! so he got that duty.


angie



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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The CIA and NSA are like comparing apples and oranges as said before. The NSA's main focus is on stuff that is going on inside of the country as far as most terrorist activities and the similar. However, the NSA also tries to get information from different means that would be considered as tapping into frequencies and also gaining information through other means such as satellites all over the world.

At the same time you have the CIA. And the CIA's only job is to collect intelligence for the most part. It's not their only job, but it's what they do the most by far. They also deal with a lot more international situations than the NSA does. They basically depend on strategically placed sources that they rely on to know what is going on throughout the world. Both are very important to the US to maintain the status that it has as a world power and would most likely be lost without the other.

Since 9/11, there has been a lot more joint operations and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they rank pretty high on the departments of the justice division that work together the most. If I had the personal choice, I would go with the NSA simply because I have no real love for the CIA in all of the research that I have done for various reports. It's way too under the radar of the outside world and I rather go with a agency that is more based on cyber technology and not as much on travelling to infiltrate the border of some country.

Edited for spacing

[edit on 6/11/2005 by neosnightmare]



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 02:28 PM
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The agencies are different... as far as I can see,

NSA Gathers data, sometimes does missions and all that stuff, they're the ones who tape phone lines, read emails, etc.

CIA Uses NSA data to do the "shoot in the foot 'who are you working for'" stuff.

But, Don't take my word for it. That's just what I've read.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by alias101
I was wanting know peoples opinion. Which do think is more beneficial to the United States the CIA or NSA? Which one is a better program? Would which agency would you like to work for? Who has better technology? Which one runs more covert ops. ? I was just wanting to know what people thought regarding the two agencies.


Both are equally useful, though the CIA needs more spies. The NSA has the better technology, ever heard of Echelon?


Uma

posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 04:10 AM
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I know several people who have worked at both Langley and Fort Meade, as well as one secret service agent (do not even think of applying for that crazy job).

Well, as for benefits, they are similar, the CIA has a worse reputation than the NSA.

I knew the former head of R&D of the NSA (Branch Chief). I tried to ask him about his work, he was well--evasive. Apparantly they have technology that would make your head spin. The only thing I could get, was yes he did work on Star Wars, and no he is not saying in what capacity. I have seen photos of him getting on Marine One helicopter with the Pres.

As for the CIA, unless you have a desk job it gets pretty hairy. Like giving someone a fake military ID and going onto a base to plant bugs, and figure out who is leaking. I toured the CIA in the mid-70's, looked like a normal office building to me, except that it had huge computers. I guess they have smaller ones now.

some former MPs told me that security is super tight at Ft. Meade, and that the really big guys (who you have never heard of) are there. Although they have beer in the vending machines. I don't know what to make of that. I thought the CIA was the frat house, not the NSA.

Most of the cryptologists at the NSA were women, I guess they have better skills.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Hmm...

For what you want to do - probably the NSA would be better.

I have a lot of problems with both agencies however.

They seem to have agendas that do not always represent the best intrest of the American people - and their Congressional oversight is not always very thorough.

I find it particularly distasteful that certain beneficial technologies can become classified for extensive periods of time for little or no good reason.

In the end I believe both agencies end up serving the elite while not doing very much to improve the over all condition of the world.

And, as far as their effectiveness goes, I guess I have no way to fairly judge, but it sure seems like 9/11 (in hindsight) was very preventable.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 12:12 PM
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They seem to have agendas that do not always represent the best intrest of the American people - and their Congressional oversight is not always very thorough.


If thorough Congressional oversight were to occur, the "secrecy" aspect to such agencies would be seriously compromised, as would their ability to function as such. You may not realize it, but even the budgets are classified, as if an enemy knows what you spend on it, then they have an accurate gauge to counter-spend, etc.



I find it particularly distasteful that certain beneficial technologies can become classified for extensive periods of time for little or no good reason.


Advanced tech can't just be released into the free market without a sound plan. Aside from national security reasons, it's just plain economics. Here's an example. Digital theatre projection. A great advanced technology. However, a standard old-school projector costs around 30K, whereas a digital costs around 100'sK+. Though the tech exists, you have to have a financial plan to conform the marketplace and allow it to adapt and accept the tech, without putting tons out of work, insane costs to business owners (theatres already struggling with piracy, home rentals, etc.) and other economic impact (such as putting competing products out of business and causing mass unemployment. While not a defense-related tech, it's just an example of how and why new tech might not be introduced right away globally.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 08:22 PM
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Take into consideration, that you only hear about each agency's screw ups. You do not hear about the missions that are completed succesfully.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 12:56 AM
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The CIA is the most powerful agency and can do absolutely anything it likes. They can kill the president (which they have done before) and get away with it without a single question asked.

On 9/11 they had a drill at 8:30 in the morning and told Norad to stand down it's just a drill, that is how they got the planes into NY without them being shot down. That is power my friend, nobody asks questions or even dares to calculate the odds of a drill becoming reality at the exact same time the drill takes place.

The CIA handles drug smuggling operations that fund black projects and trains the people who help get the drugs over the border. NSA only dreams about having the power that the CIA has.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by NinjaCodeMonkey
On 9/11 they had a drill at 8:30 in the morning and told Norad to stand down it's just a drill, that is how they got the planes into NY without them being shot down. That is power my friend, nobody asks questions or even dares to calculate the odds of a drill becoming reality at the exact same time the drill takes place.



HEY! TIME OUT! HOLD IT RIGHT THERE!!!! Are you saying that Al Quada took advantage of a CIA drill to attack America? Or, are you trying to say that the CIA attacked America on 9/11?

Before we go one step further, I Want this clarafied!! There will be NO Ignorance on MY watch if I have anything to say about it!



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 01:39 PM
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Source
The National Security Agency (NSA) is a United States government agency responsible for both the collection and analysis of message communications, and for the security of government communications against similar agencies elsewhere. It is a part of the Department of Defense. Its eavesdropping brief includes radio broadcasting, both from organizations and individuals, the Internet, and other intercepted forms of communication, especially confidential communications. Its secure communications brief includes military, diplomatic, and all other sensitive, confidential or secret government communications. Despite having been described as the world's largest single employer of Ph.D. mathematicians, the owner of the single largest group of supercomputers, and having a budget much larger than that of the CIA, it has had a remarkably low profile until recent years. For a long time its existence was not even admitted by the US government.



Source
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is one of the American foreign intelligence agencies, responsible for obtaining and analyzing information about foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, and reporting such information to the various branches of the U.S. Government. The State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research and the Defense Department's Defense Intelligence Agency comprise the other two. Its headquarters are in Langley, Virginia, across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C.. The CIA is part of the American Intelligence Community, which is now led by the United States Director of National Intelligence.

The CIA has strong links with other intelligence organisations as the provider of central intelligence estimates. It makes use of the surveillance satellites of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and the signal interception capabilities of the NSA, including the Echelon system, the surveillance aircraft of the various branches of the U.S. armed forces and the analysts of the State Department and Department of Energy. At one stage, the CIA even operated its own fleet of U-2 surveillance aircraft. The agency has also operated alongside regular military forces, and also employs a group of officers with paramilitary skills in its Special Activities Division. Micheal Spann, a CIA officer killed in November 2001 during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, was one such individual.


I myself would rather be a member of the CIA:
The NSA moslty sits around and looks into transcripts which really does not interest me, the CIA on the other hand goes around helping terrorists learn how to do things much better. The second one at least involves some sort of fun (I like shooting things). Even if ten years down the line they bite you back - but who knows ten years of service in the CIA and I already might have been killed off before I got to watch this happen?



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 01:48 PM
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Who is closer to the president BTW... I mean of the real "big bosses"...?



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 02:11 PM
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CIA at the moment, Bush's dad appointed most of the people who are high ranking in the CIA right now and are family friends but I guess it depends on each President.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 08:08 PM
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From NSA's FAQ page -


Q. What is the breakdown of the NSA/CSS workforce?

A. NSA/CSS employees are both civilian and military (from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard). The breakdown is approximately 50 percent civilian and 50 percent military. They represent a unique combination of specialties: analysts, engineers, physicists, mathematicians, linguists, computer scientists, researchers, security officers, data flow experts, managers, and administrative and clerical specialists, to name several.


Q. How many people work for the NSA/CSS and what is its budget?

A. Neither the number of employees nor the size of the Agency's budget can be publicly disclosed. However, if the NSA/CSS were considered a corporation in terms of dollars spent, floor space occupied, and personnel employed, it would rank in the top 10 percent of the Fortune 500 companies.


Q. I've heard that you are one of Maryland's largest employers. Do you take any social responsibility towards your community?

A. NSA/CSS is the largest single employer in Anne Arundel County. Our employees provide helpful support and make contributions to the local community in a variety of ways


Q. How much electricity is needed at the NSA?

A. NSA is the Baltimore Gas Electric (BGE) company’s 2nd largest customer and the 2nd largest user of electrical power in Maryland. NSA’s yearly electrical bill is more than $21 million. Under a partnering agreement in exchange for an annual credit to the NSA electric bill, BGE can request NSA to operate on-site emergency generators to produce electrical power during severe peak demand periods. This significant partnership with NSA allows BGE to serve additional customers and decreases the need for “rolling blackouts” in the area during peak demand periods.




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posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 11:35 PM
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Amongst other things it seems to me the CIA does field work and air/space surveilance while the NSA does intercept and analysis work
(eg websites/telephone calls/radio & television transmissions etc..) reporting daily to the President on any potential security threats in the now.

Dallas



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 11:47 PM
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I would go with the NSA for many reasons just watch the movie enemy of the state if you already haven't and you will see why



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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I'd work for the CIA rather than the NSA. Why? Just a matter of personal preference.. I'm more of a Politics/Foreign Affairs/Current Events/History/Humanities type of guy than a Math/Computer/Tech one. Not that there isn't overlap of course. Now if you're a foreign languages guy, you can pretty much take your pick.

koji K.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 12:22 AM
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Well, these are my answers to the origonal questions.

Which do think is more beneficial to the United States the CIA or NSA?
NSA
Which one is a better program?
NSA
Would which agency would you like to work for?
NSA
Who has better technology?
NSA
Which one runs more covert ops. ?
CIA



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