there is a poster on ATS called prophet yahwey, is that the same guy ?

Yep, false alarm, not the same guy...

Bummer of a username now though...

Bet He Didn't See This Coming

Originally posted by Gazrok
Bummer of a username now though...

Especially for a member posting "Nazi UFO" photos. Irony doesn't come much thicker than that.

There are no coincidences.

to be truthful, i can't see this being a hollywood stunt, because to be able to put something that the prophets' talking about in the sky, it'd have to have a pretty big fuel tank, he says it'll be ther for 2 days. n just sit there. borin for the aliens like. can ET say "Mug"? anyhoo, there are pieces of evidence that point both ways, the same as in most cases. i think i read somewhere its LV becuase that's where he's from, or lives now. something like that. Besides, LV is possibly the most famous place, as "the city that never sleeps" probably so that the aliens aren't on a 9-5 schedule plus all the lights of LV will provide excellent landing lights, i don't know a pilot out there that could miss it unless tehy can't see :O he could just be telekinetic and be able 2 create orange balls in the sky, or maybe throws oranges when people aren't looking oh well. this is just another "make up your own mind situation, as are all threads in the conspiracies and theories sections. so make up yours, before you lose the power to through mind control! peace love n Dove!

Latest news on the prophet I got from unknowncountry.com

On May 28, Ramon Watkins, who calls himself 'Prophet Yahweh' astonished a Las Vegas TV news crew by apparently succeeding in calling a UFO on command before KNTV news cameras. The station then asked him to call UFOs on live TV on June 1, and he agreed. Then he claims that they backed out, under pressure of some unnamed kind. He wrote, "It seems like the station is coming under great pressure to not cover any more of my summonings." But something more than a lack of media attention seems to have gone wrong.
Now his website is disabled for 45 days and there are no reports of UFOs over Las Vegas today. Mr. Watkins had further claimed that Las Vegas will experience large-scale UFO sightings between now and July 15--at which time his website will presumably return.


[edit on 2-6-2005 by Dmtvisitor]

As The Purloined Churns

Originally posted by Dmtvisitor
Mr. Watkins had further claimed that Las Vegas will experience large-scale UFO sightings between now and July 15--at which time his website will presumably return.

Why do I have this uncanny feeling that we will be seeing neither the website nor our dear Prophet Yahweh returning in 45 days?

Meanwhile, do I chance to hear the faint sound of credit card readers working feverishly in the distance? The whine of a charter plane revving up its engines for a discreet flight to Mexico?

Will UFOs torment the good people of Las Vegas with their reckless, high speed hijinks?

Will the Black Israelites finally be returned to their homeland?

Is there hope for humankind without Prophet Yahweh's benevolent guiding hand?

Pass the popcorn.

This just keeps getting better and better.



Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!

you're probably right Majic, he'll probably milk the believing world for money then Poof! he's gone. but i'd like to follow him up, cos he's not gettin any £££ outta me i'll watch as a cheapskate n not give money

The thing is, this doesn't make any credit-fraud sense.

His biggest draw, the only reason people would pay him, is to see videos and get his information on the website.

But, during the time that that would have the greatest number of sign ups, that being the 45 days, his website is down and there's a message saying not to pay for it.

So, if he were comitting credit fraud and looking to steal money, don't you think he'd .. you know, not stop taking credit card numbers, not tell people to stop paying? I don't think the Site was hacked, I think he needed a reason to stop having people pay him. I don't know, but if the site was up, this would be credit fraud for sure - with it down? I don't know, doesn't feel right.

Let's have a moment to gush though - wouldn't it be awesome if it's real? Someone, anyone in the LV area, contact him and bring either a telescope or a high focus lense. At the very least, he'll claim that he can't do it for some reason. At the very most, we'll prove/disprove the balloon theory.

So far...

Yahweh 0
Critics 2

43 days to go....in the UFO Championship....

While I wholeheartedly believe this whole deal to be a big fraud, I don't think the motive was all about money. If it was, then this guy is an even bigger idiot, as he would have:

1. Released a book first.
2. Claimed the teachings and method are only found in the book.
3. Not had these website issues (which he admits are due to not being able to pay the bills, not hacking....)

I think the motive here is that this guy has become a victim of his own fraud...and that he is mentally ill, and honestly believes that big black space brothers are going to come down, kick the Jews and Palestinians out of Israel, etc. etc. This guy is a grade A nutter...imho...

yup, he's probably just lost the plot, but hes still got a decent amount of evidence to back him up for summoning, as he did do it on ABC TV, and if i remember rightly, the ufo was moving too fast to be a balloon, and had no plane/copter lights. also, it flew right over an airbase, and when ABC asked for the base to see what it was, they never replied. bit fishy i suppose, but thats just one case. the fact that its a legit news company probably helps back the claim up.

Fraud's Prophet

Originally posted by Viendin
So, if he were comitting credit fraud and looking to steal money, don't you think he'd .. you know, not stop taking credit card numbers, not tell people to stop paying?

Of course, I could be wrong about PY, so let's keep that in mind. I'm just speculating here, and hopefully inspiring my fellow ATSers to be cautious and skeptical.

One of the most important rules of running a con is knowing when to bail.

And when you bail, you cover your tracks as best you can. In this scenario, PY already has a huge collection of credit card numbers. After his appearance on Coast-to-Coast AM, he apparently did rather well in that department.

With the goods in hand -- the credit card data -- now it's time to cash out and scram.

Shutting down the site has a few different effects. One is that it adds mystery, and keeps people guessing. He implies he was hacked, for example.

Another effect is that he gives the impression of not trying to rip people off by asking people not to spend money on his site.

Yet another angle on this is giving him a degree of plausible deniability if he gets caught.

While I can't know for sure, I would be very surprised if the FBI wasn't already in Las Vegas checking all this out. Not to “suppress the truth”, but to investigate a possible case of Internet fraud, which is a crime that crosses state lines and thus falls under federal jurisdiction.

We'll see how it goes, but I advise not letting PY's humble demeanor trick people into thinking this guy's a fool.

Everything I have seen so far suggests quite the opposite: that PY is a very intelligent man -- and a player.

Beware.

good points inmydreams, never thought of it that way. that 3rd point is a good one, he could have one of those foreign objects in his bodies, and somehow manage to control it. so maybe it reads his thoughts and realises he requests to see one? but then, it wouldn't make sense an advanced civilisation wanting to amuse a primitive alien like yahweh now does it? definitely a complex and sensitive topic with lots of opinions.

has anyone gone out and tried to see if there were any "UFO" sightings in the area without the prophet?

Be kind of funny if the guy is taking advatage of groom lake activit

Thats a good point and I highly doubt many other people have thought of that idea. But as Groom lake was there ususally is only UFOs when they least expect it,well at first anyways, but they werent there all the time so the man would have to be qquick to allow the ritual. I think that his reason for shutting down his site and probably nothing happening is A)He will say that power left him B) he seriously ticked off the pilots of the UFos(whoever they may be) or C) they decided the time was not right.

9890

The fact that he isn't showing the videos doesn't mean he's not going through with this - he's apparently still holding to the 45 days deal, just his site's down because he didn't have money to pay for the sudden upswing in bandwidth usage.

I think we need to hear from the guy about his plans. Just because he summons UFO's and is all mystical and crap doesn't mean he shouldn't have a plan. Like, he's not gonna wait until the voice says NOW and then go call down the 2-Day Ship, is he? You'd think he'd just call down UFO's 2-3 times a day every day for this whole month, and give people a report of what's been happening.

And also, I wanted to say to Majic: What I said wasn't intended to strike at you! Sorry if it came off that way. I was just stating some thoughts on whether or not this is a credit scam, and I completely agree - anyone involved should be very careful with their numbers, because he could still be stealing plenty.

On Strike

Originally posted by Viendin
And also, I wanted to say to Majic: What I said wasn't intended to strike at you! Sorry if it came off that way. I was just stating some thoughts on whether or not this is a credit scam, and I completely agree - anyone involved should be very careful with their numbers, because he could still be stealing plenty.

No strikes registered on my flame-o-meter whatsoever, so please don't worry!

Issallgood.

I know I can be wrong. Life has proven that to me more times than I care to try to recall.

I could be dead wrong about PY. I know it, and hope you do, too.

Rule of thumb: Attack my opinions, and I will be glad you did. I love a good debate!

Attack me, and you're drifting off topic.

You aren't attacking me, and that is to your enduring credit.