Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
It doesn't matter which side we supported. In the end we saved the entire nation of China, not just the KMT.
Agreed. Its just that almost no aid came after the CCP took power. During and just after WWII, America's aid effort saved many starving people.
America has a presence in South Korea. they were our allies. We attacked under the UN. Our war was legal.
And China and Russia both sponsored North Korea. They approved of their invasion of the South.
Yes, their war in Korea was legal. But, in Gulf War II, no such UN approval was there, yet Bush insists the war was legal.
Russia never did support NK. The NK government asked Stalin, Stalin wanted the war but told NK that he could not approve it. NK then asked Mao, Mao
also said the same thing, but NK said that Mao approved of it and therefore got the support of the Russians, and with the support of the Russians, NK
used it to get China to help too.
Where exactly are you getting these stats? Only 50,000 Americans died. And if you talk about South Korean losses, you'd better talk about
North Korean losses, which were even higher. China wasn't fighting alone.
CCP post war body counts put it at 150,000 dead. I hardly believe that, so I thought 70,000 would be a good estimate. NK losses were about 1.2
million, but most of it from American and SK attacking NK back. NK hardly did any damage to the Americans and SK, and were barely making progress when
they first started attacking.
A few less planes and tanks would have meant a Russian loss instead of victory at many battles. Kursk was a battle that was in the balance for
a long time, and only won because the Russians could wear the Germans down.
Without the material we provided them, Russia wouldn't have the logistical ability to defeat the Germans.
By logistics, if you meant simple items such as ammunition, food, fuel etc, there were plenty of these provided to the Russian troops fighting in the
front line, arriving relatively quickly. Simple supplies such as these were still flowing steadily.
In Kursk, the Russians won that battle very narrowly. However, most of the battles were easily won by the Russians when they started to counter
attack, but they had a lot of casualties, usually a lot more than the Germans even when they had easily won the battle. The Russians still had a
steady supply of T-34s and other tanks, partly from Allied help. If they didn't have that help, they would lose more battles, but sooner or later,
they would win the war.
Without American involvement, there would probably be a very long stalemate, maybe even 2-5 years. However, the Russians were slowly progressing, and
aid from the Allies helped the Russian war effort by quite a bit.
And my only point is that this goes both ways.
Chinawhite seriously downplays America's efforts. We did pretty much win the war in the Pacific on our own. To give the credit to the Russians is a
smack in the face to all the Americans who died over there, and it's completely based on his bias 60 years after the fact.
Agreed, the allied victory in WWII goes both ways.
And, the war in the Pacific was won by America almost singlehandedly, with the help of the British navy. The Russians didn't do jack against the
Japanese, the Nazis were gone, they were safe, and that was the end of their worries. However, the main reason why there were only this amount of
American casulties were because of the Atomic bombs.
When the American and British navies finished off the Japanese navy, they had to land on Japan and end the war. They had 2 options:
1. Do a full scale invasion of Japan
Estimated American losses : 200,000 dead.
Estimated Japanese losses : 1 million dead, along with a big number of civillain casulties from suicides and other things.
2. Use the atomic bomb
Estimated Japanese losses : 150,000 dead, with more affected by aftereffects
They chose the second one, and it worked. If the Americans actually attacked the Japanese on foot, it would bring a lot of casulties. It was the easy
way out, few American losses compared to what the Russians suffered trying to get the Nazis.