The Bavarian Illuminati was a not-so-secret society who tried messing with the wrong people and was eventually torn to pieces by internal sissy-fighting. If you think THEY have anything to do with the Illuminati of Conspiracy Fiction then you have a lot of loose ends to tie.

You just summarized the whole point of massive conspiracy theory; lots of loose ends to tie. The Bavarian Illuminati is most definately the 'Illuminati' referred to in conspiracy lore. It's more or less a wishful thinking catch phrase these days.

How does one join the Illuminati?

I've heard the initiation ritual consists of the initiate having to dress up like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and then having to dry-hump a wax statue of Dom Deluise for ten minutes.

Personally It sounded like a little more than I was willing to go through.

Peace

Question, I was reading some stuff on the web and I was getting confused. Is the Illumanti satanism?

Originally posted by 8bitagent

The Bavarian Illuminati was a not-so-secret society who tried messing with the wrong people and was eventually torn to pieces by internal sissy-fighting. If you think THEY have anything to do with the Illuminati of Conspiracy Fiction then you have a lot of loose ends to tie.

You just summarized the whole point of massive conspiracy theory; lots of loose ends to tie. The Bavarian Illuminati is most definately the 'Illuminati' referred to in conspiracy lore. It's more or less a wishful thinking catch phrase these days.

Actually no, you have lots of loose ends to match, such as the fact that the Bavarian Illuminati was completely whiped out. How is it that they are still an organization today, hmmm? An organization, nonetheless, of which NOBODY has proof of their existence!?!? Good luck

Also, please provide conclusive evidence for your claim that "The Bavarian Illuminati is most definately the 'Illuminati' referred to in conspiracy lore". If it's MOST DEFINITEY, then you should have no problem demonstrating this conclusively.

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Originally posted by alias101
Question, I was reading some stuff on the web and I was getting confused. Is the Illumanti satanism?

Dude...there's a lot of rumours floating around the internet, all saying that these societies are Satanists. It may or may not be true...but it sounds like a load of crap to me.

Now I think I read somewhere that the Freemasons and the Illuminati were connected. It may be true, or I may be misinformed. But if this is true, I think I also recall reading that the Illuminati were just the highest "degree" of the Freemasons. They are the "illuminated" [enlightened] ones. And since the Freemasons (supposedly) have a lot of power, this would therefore give the Illuminati "ultimate" power.

Now if you check a Freemasons site (yes, they have web pages...not sure what URL, just google it) they say they are non-religious. So apparently the Freemasons aren't Satanic and therefore neither are the Illuminati.

This of course also answers the question of how to join: just become a Freemason (fairly easy I take it) and work your way up the ranks (not so easy). This is of course assuming that what I read was correct. If not, just ignore me.

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Sorry, forgot to mention the whole thing about the Illuminati actually existing. As mentioned before, the Illuminati "all seeing eye" is on the One dollar bill, along with various latin statements, which translate to English as "new world order" and "approved conspiracy". I'll let you see what you think of that.
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[edit on 31-5-2005 by TheRenegade]

Originally posted by TheRenegade
This is of course assuming that what I read was correct. If not, just ignore me.

Well unfortunately what you read was not correct. But ignoring you is a little harsh, methinks.

It may or may not be true...but it sounds like a load of crap to me

Should have gone with your instinct, dude

Originally posted by TheRenegade
This of course also answers the question of how to join: just become a Freemason (fairly easy I take it) and work your way up the ranks (not so easy). This is of course assuming that what I read was correct. If not, just ignore me.

Freemasonry has nothing to do with any supposed Illuminati. This is because the Illuminati has no evidence of even existing. But even if it did, it would still have nothing to do with Freemasonry. Freemasons simply wouldn't allow it.

Sorry, forgot to mention the whole thing about the Illuminati actually existing. As mentioned before, the Illuminati "all seeing eye" is on the One dollar bill, along with various latin statements, which translate to English as "new world order" and "approved conspiracy". I'll let you see what you think of that.

Oh come on! The "all seeing eye" on the dollar bill was attributed to the Illuminati by conspiracy theorists themselves! That proves absolutely NOTHING! LOTS of old societies and organinzations used the all-seeing-eye as a symbol, including the Great Seal of the United States. There is NO EVIDENCE to prove the existence of such a group, therefore it does not exist.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Oh come on! The "all seeing eye" on the dollar bill was attributed to the Illuminati by conspiracy theorists themselves! That proves absolutely NOTHING! LOTS of old societies and organinzations used the all-seeing-eye as a symbol, including the Great Seal of the United States. There is NO EVIDENCE to prove the existence of such a group, therefore it does not exist.

But still no one has rivalled my earlier point about the fact that the latin on the dollar bill above the all-seeing eye Annuit Coeptis - which translates roughly as "to nod in favor of our undertakings", or could also be read as "the approval of our conspiracy". Dunno, I don't take Latin. Could someone help? Although I have also heard that there is error in the wide-spread tranlation of Novus Ordo Seclorum. It is seen as many to read as "new world order", but apparantly translates as "a new order of the ages", since seclorum is plural and the motto was initially related to the beginning of the new age of America. I'm not anti or pro belief in the Illuminati, just passing on what I've heard.

Novus Ordo Seclorum:

1) New Order Secular or New Secular Order
2) New World Order (*questionable translation)

Has anyone read the book by Dan Brown called Angels and Demons? It makes intresting reading and I know that it is fictional but there is a lot of truth behind what is said about the different groups.

What are all your thoughts?

The Illuminati (if real) will let no stranger in there society.
People who are Rich can only join - as all of them are rich.

If they do exist....
they wil come looking for you. You dont go looking for them.

Originally posted by mwen
Novus Ordo Seclorum:

1) New Order Secular or New Secular Order
2) New World Order (*questionable translation)

Apparently an accurate translation is ' a new order for the ages'

The Rothchild empire, illuminati, Tri-lateralist, Masons (Shriners) (Free Masons) and etc all exist. They are not only secret but they have the power and money to keep themselves out of the news media. The only time you hear of them is indirectly through the news media reporting on such organizations that these secret societies control power over such as the Council on Foreign Relations, Federal Reserve Board decisions, US Supreme Court decisions, Executive orders and Congressional bills. They have the power to eliminate undesirables for the Greater Good. It appears these secret organizations are not working entirely independent. It seems that this is an active attempt at a coordinated global dominance of all nations through any means possible.

The tri-lateralist meet in Switzerland. I have no idea how often or the agenda. An independant Swiss newspaper has covered the event in the past, but lately it seems they have joined the rest of the news media and do not mention it anymore. How does this organization keep the story from Fox News or CNN? They don't. They simply say do not cover this function in any fashion. It never gets reported. That's power! George Bush Sr. stopped attending meetings during his term of office or at least that is what he told the US public when the concern was brought before his attention. I am surprised at the amount of members and their prominant positions within many nations that belong to these secret organizations. I am sure I do not know the full scale. You cannot volunteer to join these secret organizations. You are recommended by a very good standing member and then invited. If selected for membership, you must show allegiance toward their will for the greater good.

Quick question (don't shoot me for it being so brief)

If it's such a secret - exactly how do we know a) it exists in the context mentioned, and b) who would belong?