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The Sitchin Theory and I want YOUR opinion.

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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(This is a report that I wrote on Dr. Zecharia Sitchin and I want to know what you think of his theories. For the two paragraphs I will post a couple images for you look at.)

Dr. Zecharia Sitchin is a Hebrew biblical scholar with expert knowledge of ancient cultures. Sitchin concentrates all of his knowledge on the civilization of the Sumerians in ancient Mesopotamia. He is well known for his research and is the source of a lot of controversy and in my opinion he wouldn’t have it any other way. But, with his many enemies he also has many followers who he affectionately calls “sitchnites”. Now I am betting that you want to know why so much controversy over this one man? I bet you haven’t even heard of the good doctor. Well in this report we shall talk about Sitchin’s theory which I will explain to you now. Sitchin believes that in this solar system there are not just 9 planets but a total of 12. He believes this knowledge was passed to the Ancient Sumerians by a group of aliens called the Annunaki. Now the Annunaki were considered to be Gods and were served by the Sumerians. Also Sitchin has derived from ancient Sumerian texts that he believes that the Annunaki genetically engineered humans to be workers for them. Sitchin also has his own theory on how the Sumerian culture fell and also he has a theory about the coming apocalypse. Now in the next following paragraphs we will look into seven of Sitchin’s beliefs. These beliefs are Nibiru, Sumerians, The Annunaki, human creation, destructions of Sumeria, and finally his belief on how the world will end, also known as the apocalypse.
Nibiru is the 12th planet in our solar system. According to Sitchin as he translated Sumerian texts the planet Nibiru or Marduk was caught in the suns gravitational pull and brought into a collision course with the planet Tiamat which had a course between Mars and Jupiter. When they collided, the end result was the planet Nibiru, Earth itself, and the asteroid belt itself. Sitchin used the comet Eros as proof for this theory due to the asteroid being layered he said that it was a fragment of the planet Tiamat. Now the only problem I find with Sitchin theory is if earth is a piece of Tiamat then why is the earth perfectly circular?
Now the Sumerians were an ancient and supposedly advanced culture. They used cuneiform or picture writing which Sitchin thinks he has the ability to perfectly translate it. The destruction of this culture is of course proven but its origins have been speculated. Many think that the Sumerian civilization was the first civilization and in fact as a Christian that is also my belief. No matter if I believe in Christ my god is still the god of Abraham and Abraham is from the Sumerian area. I believe that Sitchin is accurate on his interpretations and I do believe that it is true that there is another civilization in our solar system. Their purpose and their history on this planet are very debatable though.
Now the Annunaki are the aliens who originated on the planet Nibiru. They are said to be a race of creatures with many similarities to our current civilization this day and age. They had come to this planet because they needed gold to sustain their planet’s atmosphere. As they were mining the created the current humans to help mine, I would go in depth but that is a different are of this paper. Sitchin claims that according to Sumerian texts the Annunaki are responsible for many things including the constructions of space ports both on mars and on earth. The space port on mars was near of course the infamous “face” of mars which is freakily close to a drawing on a Sumerian cylinder Shown below.

Now in this picture are a Sumerian seal and a picture of the “face” on mars. If you take a look and notice that there are definite similarities between the seal and the face. Now if you are wondering what the seal depicts well it depicts what Sitchin believes to be the Annunaki in a space suit. Now the earth spaceport was on the Sinai Peninsula and they landed their ships in the ocean. Sitchin also believes because of Sumerian texts that the Annunaki were able to power their spacecraft with water. Now the question you have to ask is how did the Sumerians know about all of this? Well if you think about it all this information is VERY disprovable. Sitchin probably realized this and provide some evidence that is hard to turn down. Look at this drawing from a cylinder:

Now if you look at the both of the figures the one on the left is what the Sumerians called an “Eagleman” which according to Sitchin is an astronaut. The middle figures are two space craft and the figure on the right is a “Fishman” which was equipped for “splash downs” which is the way the Annunaki supposedly landed. In the eagleman’s corner way up are 7 dots which are supposedly planets. Now, counting in the Annunaki considered the Earth to be the seventh in. The question is in this time before telescopes had been invented to see beyond the night’s sky, how did the Sumerians know about the other planets? Sitchin believes the Annunaki provided the Sumerians with extreme knowledge of the solar system, what do you believe?
Now on the subject of human creation, Sitchin believes that we were genetically altered to help the Annunaki mine their gold. His proof comes from 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree. Now scientists say that the 223 genes come from bacteria and to disprove this was the fact of females. Sitchin once again believes that the Annunaki took 223 of their own genes and with their immense and advanced technology they put these genes in primates and created the first humans. Possible but in my belief this was God’s work. In a discussion with a higher up member of the Roman Catholic Church the member said that it is possible that the Annunaki had come to do Gods work. Being Hebrew and believing in a God, Sitchin said it is very possible that the Annunaki are workers of god who have a bigger spiritual balance than physical balance. The choice is yours to believe that the Annunaki are workers of god, that the Annunaki used us for manual labor, or that the Annunaki had no part in our evolution.
One of the most radical ideas given by Sitchin is the way the Sumerian culture got destroyed. He believes that it was a family dispute between two different groups of the Annunaki. While one side wanted to continue the mission on earth, the other side was going to stop and leave the planet for good. According to Sitchin’s translation an “evil wind” which gave totally horrendous death to people had killed plants and animals too. It is also said that it left the land barren and poison. According to Sitchin’s beliefs the Annunaki used nuclear weapons to destroy the spaceport on earth. We know that nuclear weapons are real but did an alien race thousands of years ago use the same type of weapons to destroy a spaceport here on earth? Once again it is up to you to believe the legend of the “evil wind”.
Now of the most speculated events predicted by Sitchin’s translation, his apocalypse theory is the most debated thing in his beliefs. Sitchin believes that the first destruction of mankind was caused by the Annunaki planet Nibiru. The Annunaki knew about this and decided to keep it a secret but one Annunaki had to save some of the people on earth and instructed a man on earth to build a submersible boat and put his family on it to survive the great “flood”. We all know this story as the tale of Noah and his ark. Sitchin doesn’t believe that it was a flood that covered the world in water but rather a thousand foot tidal wave caused by the passing of the planet Nibiru. He believes that mankind will receive the same fate the next time the planet passes ours. The discredit I can provide is the fact of how many times the planet Nibiru has passed the Earth. According to Sitchin the planet Nibiru has a 3,600 revolution cycle around the sun. According to my math then the planet Nibiru has passed the earth’s path in the following years: 10,900 BC (The great flood), 7,300 BC, 3,700 BC, 100 BC, and the next time the planet Nibiru will pass the earth’s path is 3,500 AD. Now it is believable that the gravitational pull of the planet Nibiru could possible cause unsettled waters. But there just isn’t enough proof the support it totally…You have to draw your own conclusion.
Annunaki, creation of man, Nibiru, and ancient nuclear weapons, this issue of Extreme Beliefs is definitely full of extreme beliefs. Now whether or not all of this is true is not up to me to tell you. It is up to you to believe in this. My personal thoughts on it are that there are Annunaki and if they did genetically alter man it was through God’s will. Did they have nuclear weapons? It’s very possible. Did they have a spaceport on ancient Mars? That is also very possible. Many of Sitchin’s beliefs can be supported by realistic situations. As always, it is up to you to believe it or not.

Remember this paper contains information written by Zecharia Sitchin and I have permission to recreate the information.
Remember:
© Z Sitchin 2004
Reprinted with permission



[edit on 29-5-2005 by TheTruth414All]




posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:13 PM
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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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I personally find most of Sitchen's work to be complete nonsense.

If there was a planet Niburu then we would be able to detect it's gravitational influence on the earth. We can't.

His illustrations are often hand made from his supposed originals, often with very misleading translations.

No other sumerian or biblical scholars agree with his translations. He often takes hebrew words to mean rocketship, or spaceship, even though no one else agrees with him.

He also states that the Annunaki cities were destroyed without a trace, yet the sumerian cities from the same time have surviving ruins. How would this be possible.

Here is a very good, well researched debunking of Sitchen's theories.

www.geocities.com...


edit: also here's what the face on mars really looks like.



[edit on 29-5-2005 by LeftBehind]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:30 PM
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Thank you very much for this. This will allow me to delve deeper. I personally find no truth in his work either. This report I made shortly with as little bias as I could put in there. I love your clearing up of the "Mars Face" amazingly I have never seen that photo.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:42 PM
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I still say it looks like a face. A really old face, but a face none the less.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 08:18 PM
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Hmmmm...you want MY opinion....whose else opinion would you be wanting when asking on an internet BB? You are yelling the word "your" for some reason......why is that!? Not to mention that is your interested in this....do a search... it has been discussed in great detail before.

[edit on 5/29/05 by LadyV]


JWB

posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:02 PM
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How can you argue with the fact that the sumerians knew the freggin color of Uranus, thousands of years before we could even imagine a gas giant planet that far away?? Many other examples, but here's one link.
xfacts.com...
I don't agree with all his theories (which are out there), but to ignore all his findings would be ignorant. Besides scientists have said for decades there must be a free roaming large object affecting our solar system, they just couldn't find it. My major problem was not that this planet existed, because it fits directly into the sceme of the solar system, but to imagine life on a world that doesn't see heat, or light for a couple thousand years is a little far fetched.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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As for you Lady V..I brought up my own research for discussion. Polite discussion as it is. I would expect a person with the title "Lady" to be a bit more refined. As for you JWB I totally agree. I would be amazed to see someone who actually agrees with this crackpot but as I said I provided unbias information. Stating what could be possible and a few things that ran through my mind. As for your problem with a planet that doesnt receive heat and such..Very good scrutiny. I would offer this for you to ponder, If a civilization has been able to have space travel for as long as Sitchin claims the Annunaki have then I believe they wouldnt be as solar dependant as us. Once again I would be inclined to believe and take in your theory that a civilization would have a hard time surviving without the sun's light for that amount of time. Just giving you something to think about.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:58 PM
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I will admit the possibility that aliens seeded life on this planet.

However just because the sumerians said that Uranus is blue is not proof of anything. I think it much more likely that they just happened to guess the right color, than it is that they were told so by people on a twelfth planet who were their slave drivers.

As to the evidence on the site you posted. It is true that the artifact pictured shows 12 planets. However what is the reasoning behind including the earth's moon but not the moons of other planets. Some of the moons around Jupiter are many times the size of the moon, why wouldn't they be included?

Also I fail to understand how ancient artwork is proof. It is art after all.

Regardless of any of that, it makes no sense that Annunaki cities existed at the same time as sumerian cities.

Like I said before, why would there be ruins of sumerian cities but not of annnaki cities? If they existed at the same time you would think that the cities of the more advanced annunaki would at least produce one artifact, yet there are none.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by TheTruth414All
As for you Lady V..I brought up my own research for discussion. Polite discussion as it is. I would expect a person with the title "Lady" to be a bit more refined.


A bit more refined how? Becasue I don't understnd why someone caps a whole word in a title!? That hardly constitues not being refined, though I do not consider myself "refined", per say.......Ph...and it has nothing to do with your subject matter, as I am one that most definately belives an advanced life force has been here from hte beginning and has "jump started" us along.....funny, you think I should be "refined" and I always felt that those posting on an internet BB would know more about the internet.....all caps in the BB board world means you yelling or screaming.....so you are yelling the word "your"



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 10:51 AM
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There are several important question that need to be answered: what happened to the Annunaki? are they the famous "greys"? if they had the ability to genetically manipulate hominids into slaves, why didnt they go all the way and program use like robots? If they are so powerful why are they hiding?

His theory doesnt add up. Whatever encounter occured, it must have been exaggerated by those Sumerians, just like "miracles" that occur in the bible.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 04:52 PM
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Those who mock his translations almost never give any reasoning behind it, just saying they're unorthodox. Yet Sitchin goes through and shows the route of words that he is translating and the reasons for his believing that orthodox translations are incorrect.

We only have to look at the Bible to see how inaccurate orthodox translations are. God's name appears hundreds if not thousands of times in the original scripts, by the time it came to the King James version, they had left it in in only 4 places. Censorship 1, accuracy 0.

Sitchin's orbital path of Nibiru would mean we could only see it for a short part of the year, and only from the southern hemisphere. He puts it not orbiting on the same plane as the other planets, but significantly inclined, and with a massive orbit. Meaning that for the majority of its orbit it will be to the "south" of earth taken from a relative view from space, and only possible to be seen when we are on the correct side of the sun. Finding such an object isn't necessarily an easy task, we have only just found Sedna and various scientists on sites such as space.com are suggesting there could be 20-30 more planets Mars sized or upwards that we have not yet discovered.

As for the pertubations in orbits it would cause, we already see that in Pluto. Back in the 1980s IRAS workers and people such as Harrington at NASA claimed that all we had left to do was name the planet because it was as good as found. They changed their mind somewhat later, but in the past 3-4 years there has been a new spate of conjecture that they were correct originally. Various scientists have put forther similar hypotheses with orbits agreeing or being similar to Sitchin's and Harrington's.

Did he get everything right? With the vast amount of work he produced it would be naive to assume so.

Did he get everything wrong? Only an idiot would write everything off as being impossible and refuse to really entertain the idea. Make the world as black and white as you want to make it easier to understand, but don't preach views of close mindedness as pure fact, when it is simply not the case.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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Why even worry about something so trivial as the capitalization of your...?
something jump up your ass today? Relax with the Netiquette Nazi act imo

anyways back to the topic.



I think he brings up many interesting points, such as the statues with african faces in South America. Some of his other stuff gets a little bit out there ya know, but thats what ATS is all about in my opinion, As for planet X, I myself don't believe in it, there was a group of people that were so convinced it'd be here March 03, but I never heard anything more on it. Still fun to read!

Also, anyone read that thread here about the face on mars, claiming it was a race of lion people?


[edit on 31-5-2005 by Lysergic]



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 06:26 PM
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Nairod,
I think I'd have to agree on each and every one of the points you make.
Sitchin's translations do, at times, strech to make a point. But not always, by any means.
And while some of his supositions may extend past the credible. There is alot of information that is evident, as Summerian knowledge goes, that is absolutely verifiable and is quite astonishing and incredible.
Whether it actually happened or was a myth that bordered on science, I don't know.
But he isn't wrong on every count.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 09:49 PM
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I give credit to Sitchin whether he turns out right or wrong. This thread is proof that many people are at a loss when thinking about him. Some think it is easy to just deny his claims without the smallest point of investigation. But others dive into his work and decide whether or not he could be right on some points. I personally believe that I would think him a lot more credible if it wasnt for the whole Annunaki story that goes so indepth. For a man claiming to be the only person able to fully understand ancient Sumerian texts he should make smaller claims instead of acting like there is novels written in the stones he looks at.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 10:52 PM
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I find his work fascinating if not scientific.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 11:05 PM
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I've only read his first book, "the 12th planet". I thought it was pretty good. He bases his translations on real, tangible historical stuff - the tablets. He takes the tablets as a real account of what actually occurred in the past. I think his research is one of the best translations of Earth's history, based on that one book I've read.



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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I don't want to seem a Sitchin basher,

but here is another link , whose purpose was to contend against Sitchin,
but which i found to actually have a redeeming factor for Sitchin's work.

(((jcolvaito.tripod.com...)))



posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Lysergic
Why even worry about something so trivial as the capitalization of your...?
something jump up your ass today? Relax with the Netiquette Nazi act imo

anyways back to the topic.





No...I won't..... there are rules and regulations....you should try to read them sometime....my grumping about it is most certainly a lot less than some other things I have seen grumped about on this site!



posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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(posted by JWB)
(...) to imagine life on a world that doesn't see heat, or light for a couple thousand years is a little far fetched.


Not at all.

If a planet is massive enough then its own gravitational compression will generate enough heat on the surface to sustain life in total darkness, and water would be present there in a liquid state. Harlow Shapley, the astronomer who discovered that we are off-center in the galaxy, calls them "Brobdingnagian planets", which are "self-warming independent wandering planets".

There may even be more of these lonely wanderers than captive planets going around a star, and they could make up most of so-called "dark matter", the matter that according to the observed behavior of galaxies is supposed to be there but cannot be perceived.

Not only that, but life would be much safer in such planets, since they don't have a star close by attracting dangerous rocks and causing mass extinctions every now and then, as happens to be our case.

Actually, these worlds would appear to be in the dark only to life forms with organs of vision tuned to the visible light frequencies. The energy would come, not from a nearby star, but from within, appearing on the surface mainly as radiation in the radio range of the electromagnetic spectrum. This means that sense organs able to perceive radio waves would evolve in the course of time, and supplied with this "radio vision", people there would see the "night sky" much as it appears on images put together by using data received by our radiotelescopes. (Their sky, of course, would always be "night sky" for us. For them it would always be a "radiotelescope sky".)

Now, what if the orbit of one of these lonely planets is disturbed by its neighboring planets and it is cast off and starts moving along a huge orbit early in the formation of its solar system, an orbit that makes it return every few thousands of years, or even hundreds of thousands of years? In that case it behooves our rocket scientists to develop some sort of robotic probe that would land on it and then come back before the visitor vanishes for the next thousands of years. Otherwise we will have squandered a unique chance to visit an inhabited world where life has evolved differently. Maybe we won't have to go look for other life forms, but they will arrive at our doorstep unannounced.

DISCLAIMER: This is not a defense of Sitchin's theories.
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[edit on 1-6-2005 by Macrento]



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