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Iraqi forces launch crackdown; al Qaeda defiant

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 02:43 PM
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi forces launched their biggest security crackdown since the fall of Saddam Hussein with the start of Operation Lightning on Sunday, a sweep by 40,000 Iraqi troops who will seal off Baghdad and hunt for insurgents.



Over the next few days, Iraqi soldiers would block major routes into Baghdad and search the city district by district, looking for foreign Arab fighters and Iraqi guerrillas, Iraqi officials said. They would be backed up by around 10,000 U.S. troops deployed in the capital.

But al Qaeda's network in Iraq said it had launched a new offensive of its own in response to the operation. Insurgents killed 20 people across Iraq, including a British soldier.
Iraq taking control of their own fate.
thats a good thing.




posted on May, 29 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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www.yahoo.com...=X3o'___'B2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/241883



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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Well it just shows how far along the Iraqi military and police have come in order to secure their own country. Its good that the Iraqi's are taking the offensive against the insurgents. A show of force that will probably greatly effect the insurgents in Baghdad.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by demosthenes
A show of force that will probably greatly effect the insurgents in Baghdad.


The only thing these raids will do is create more hatred towards the United States and cause the insurgents to strike other cities in Iraq. The insurgency will never end unless we leave that country.

[edit on 29-5-2005 by ProphetOfYahweh]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by ProphetOfYahweh


The only thing these raids will do is create more hatred towards the United States and cause the insurgents to strike other cities in Iraq. The insurgency will never end unless we leave that country.
[edit on 29-5-2005 by ProphetOfYahweh]


Why are you talking about the U.S. because last time I checked it was the Iraqi's doing the operation in which they go district to district searching for insurgents. So I don't know why they would get more angry at the U.S. And no matter how much people complain or say bring our troops home we will not leave until the Iraqi's are fully capable of taking care of their own country.

[edit on 29-5-2005 by demosthenes]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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Its purely Islamic fundamentalist propaganda (or bull#, if you prefer), to say that the security operations will engender more "hatred" of the US. I have no doubt whatsoever that the Iraqi people understand very well who is murdering hundreds of innocent men, women and children - and its not the US. Its the brutal, evil, ignorant insurgents, many from outside the country. It simply defies any degree of rationality for the people of Iraq to prefer the unseen, cowardly people who don't even have the guts to stand for election and have their "program" approved by the people, but instead try to impose it by force. No Iraqi wants the brutal Saddam regime replaced by another sadistic, brutal and oppressive regime.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:42 PM
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I know the ' common ' iraqi doesnt look at the us and hatred grows,
I think they look more at the causes.

How many LIES the US told !
How many innocence the US murdered !
How nessecities for life were destroyed by the US, and still sewage/power and water are as rare as gold...
How many friends/relatives are still being held UNJUSTLY in the prisons


The USA Should never of gone in, and thats why the hatred will continue to grow.
It will never stop, becuase many generations have been affected for the worst by this illegial invasion.

It will forever be the Darkest day in the US history and the most remember day by the IRAQI's because regardless of all the mistakes, all the deaths, and all the lives ruined, the USA Still goes on record , on the TV to say it was right, it was just and they did nothing wrong.

Why cant they just admit the truth..

thast the only way the hatred will stop



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:57 PM
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One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the Military tatic of training armies.

Why does America want to be responsable for training Iraq's armed forces?
Because the most simple way to defeat any army, is to defeat an army YOU trained.

If you trained them, you know how to defeat them. The reason they can't defeat the insurgency is because they don't know how it operates, they can't corner it and use it's weakness against it.

A part of the insurgency and everyday Iraqi's that refuse to join the US trained Iraq military and police is because of the fact that they aren't taking responsability for their country, they are actually acting under US guidelines to control Iraq rather than having US soldiers do it.

In other words, they are acting FOR the US military rather than FOR the Iraqi population and a lot of people in Iraq can see through this.

A part of this 'overthrow' policy in the Middle East is to do exactly this. Destroy a countries army and then rebuild it as per the USA's training and technique. It's another MAJOR step in being an uncontested world power.
Controlling Oil fields as oil prices rise and pumping becomes harder is another major part of it also.

Think about it. In 20 years if America has overthrown dictators and governments and re-trained armies in various Middle Eastern countries under their own guidelines, then IF those countries turn on the US or become a road block, it's much much easier to defeat them because you know how they function, you know their achilles heal and your always ahead of them - you established them.

This is why you'll see permanate bases in these regions. If you look at a map of the Middle East and Google the countries bordering Iran, you'll see that just about all of them have had recent visits or talks with Rumsfeld and the US about re-opening or upgrading military bases.
They have literally surrounded Iran and the first thing they'll do when the attack starts, is disable it's military and it will also be the first thing they re-establish when they have control - IF they get that far.





[edit on 29-5-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:54 PM
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Globaldisorder,

I got a question for you when is an invasion ever legal? There has never been an invasion that was legal as far as I know.




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