Meteor to arm the F-35 JSF

Were not war mongers...well maybe I am, but still most people on here want to discus and post facts about weaponry.

Originally posted by waynos
The Meteor is a British led 'European' missile (don't ask me why I put it like that - I guess it matters to me

) that will arm UK F-35's plus any export customer that specifies it.

For those that don't know it's going to be the standard MRAAM on the Rafale and the Typhoon too.

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Meteor + MKI = Pakistan dead in 10 minutes

French Rafales + Meteor = A fair fight for Pakistan (If I was from Pakistan, I would put India dead in 10 minutes just to annoy him, but I'm not,so just forget that).

Pakistan will be getting Rafales and newer F-16s from France and USA respectively.

why not give people who are needy handouts to help them get back on their feet and contribute to society again. after all, most of the money spent of weapons programs is squandered anyway. why not for a change use the money wisely.

Ok, let me ask you something, should we give money to people who are able to work and choose NOT to, or should we invest money into weapons that defend our nation, becuase every single government has but one obligation, to defend the country against hostile nations.

Welfare is just another goofy socialist program that should be abolished.

And if you really want to help people, just donate to your local charity, becuase that money actually goes to unfortunate people, not people who are healthy, and choose not to work.

[edit on 14-6-2005 by Hockeyguy567]

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French Rafales + Meteor = A fair fight for Pakistan (If I was from Pakistan, I would put India dead in 10 minutes just to annoy him, but I'm not,so just forget that).
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Don't be an idiot. You _DO NOT_ attack airpower while it's 'in it's element'!

You attack it where it spends upwards of 60% of it's day, even at the height of combat: on the ground.

The best way to do that is with something like a Delilah-GL (no sortie steal) or similar cruise weapon which can sit offset from a HAS'd target matrix and then zip in to catch the enemy based on an activity warning from COMINT, remote imaging or some kind of direct observation (snakeeater) alert.

OTOH, once you make it clear that you are going to pound the crap out of your enemy's base infrastructure /his/ best alternative is not to go with an airplane and 12,000ft of concrete base signature at all.

Nor is it to shift to a Soviet styled '1 shot, hit or miss-ile' system. Rather it is to use the _exact same_ drone technology, with a supersonic booster segment.

Why?

Three Reasons:

1. Because if you can force that jet to make 1 9G+ break, even if it hasn't mission killed itself with jettisoned weapons or lost fuel margin, the /second/ such break is going to be of about 5G and the third is going to be of 2-3G. Because it cannot reenergize it's Ps factor fast enough to beat a weapon which, like a wolf or a shark, _comes back for another pass_.

2. Because you can loft such a weapon in giant curtains of hold orbit or skirmish line sweeping movement. And the enemy will likely not be able to see it, even while a simple datalink between them will achieve pure optical search volumes that rival that of radar (i.e. cheap and _easy_ tech to master). Hence, there is no 'point defense' (and _all_ SAMs which launch from a specific geographic location in response to a site associated guidance capability are ultimately 'point defense'). Rather you can loft weapon which is 1/20th the size of an SA-10 Grumble. And have it STAY A THREAT for upwards of 3-4hrs.

3. They are dirt cheap. Even if you can see a Turbo-SAM, you cannot kill it with an AIM-120 or MICA or ASTRA or SD-10 for less than the cost of the SAM itself. Which means that you can loft 30 T-SAMs against 4 Mirage 2000 with 6 MICA each. And 16 kills later, with roughly 8+8=16 million dollars worth of missilery in the toilet, the last six T-SAMs are going to centerpunch the manned jets for upwards of 80-100 million dollars /more/. Such negative-accounting cannot go on for very long. And the 'nice thing' is that each Turbo-SAM can be fired off a cheap back-of-pickup-truck catapult and _recovered_ perhaps 4-5 times, via a parachute and an airbag beacon or digital map type recovery system. A hand grenade will end the life of a fighter if it plunges through the canopy folks. And a missile that can _reattack_ won't have a miss distance.

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Pakistan will be getting Rafales and newer F-16s from France and USA respectively.
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I doubt it. Too poor. Too willing to play both sides off the middle. The Chinese have already provided the Paks with TBM technology. And they are jerking us around on Osama because they know we will leave them in their backwater frustration as soon as we 'declare GWOT won'.

The difference is that there is a lame duck president (and party) who _WILL BE REPLACED_ in 2008. Thanks to the quagmire that is Iraq's 'bailing the Titanic with a teaspoon' approach to liars politics.

And when that happens, the Democrats (and Congress) will do the same thing they did in 1972. Declare our interest in the region over. Presidential Hubris or no.

It should be noted that when General Garrison quit the Army as a sign of his acceptance of responsibility for the MASSIVE flubup that was Mogadishu; it was less than a year after that Mohammed Farrah Aidid was face down in a pool of his own blood.

Either the Israelis (or semi-acknowledged bypass for Presidential prohibition against assassination) or Al Quaeda (who trained his rocket teams but otherwise did not like his politics) doing for him in a fashion that proves that once you are no longer sheltered by the people against the 'Great Satan' of an overwhelming bully force. It's back to business as usual. Which is pure cutthroat.

Such is how we get Osama. If he isn't already dead and the Fed simply covering it up to continue letting contracts to firms gone thin on defense drawdown.

And when we do 'get our man' Pakistan will be as helplessly subject as ever to the Indian's benevolent acceptance of their existence. Force on Force metrics, even up to and including nukes, simply DOES NOT favor anything but a treasury depleting continuation of the Paki bluff.

And even this may end as the role of facilitator (smuggler and currency/document exchange) middlemen is coming to an end via the shutting down of the unlicensed money trade. Which was about 90% of the funding and intel keeping AQ and the Taliban 'safe' to begin with. Everybody knows the U.S. is so fickle that 'any excuse will do' to abandon someone no longer convenient.


KPl.

Paksitan might get F-16's .... alright

Pakistan might get Rafales ...

Pakistan getting meteors..........



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[edit on 28-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]