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Originally posted by jake1997
YOu need to make it make more sense.
also... Hollywood says you get sent to satan. The bible does not.
Originally posted by WaxPineapple
What i meant was how can there be a devil or "satan" if everything and every action is already decided?
Originally posted by WaxPineapple
When that person dies he gets sent to satan but how can this be if god knows who is gonna die when their gonna die and how they are gonna die. Now how can there be a satan if god already knows who killed the person and it's that persons time to die. Now if anyone can shed any light on this subject please help
Originally posted by humbled_one
HIFIGUY, thing is you don't really "know" it was "satan", you saw and felt what seemed to be "evil" to you but that does not mean it was "satan".
It could have been an "unclean spirit/demon" which the Bible and Jesus has also talked about. Also in the bible Jesus does mention satan but how do we know for sure that the "roman church" did not add that or possibly make certain parts up?
Again, i am not saying that there is not a "satan" but just pointing some things out. I believe there is evil, you see it everyday.
JFDARBY, you are talking about the "lake of fire" at the end times of Revelations, it does not state that it is called hell. It says that the wicked will be cast into the lake of fire and that it is the "second death". It is debated if the lake of fire is "eternal" or if it is the burning up/death/final bit of life of those who did not choose God.
Also a lot of near death expirencer's state that they have seen "hell" as a seperation from God where spirits are living in a total darkness and there is no love anywhere and that everyones fear, hate and all those bad feelings are amplified toward each other there since there is no "goodness" there as they seperated themselves from God. Near death expirencer's seem to think/say that it is not nessasarily eternal though and that spirits there must learn to get out of that state. Maybe though it is a state of some sort of "purgatory". More info can be found on neardeath.com
I am not saying I believe in everything that site says, but it makes you think more as the people on there have actully died and then came back to life...
Originally posted by smadewell
According to Jewish thought, ha-Satan (lit. "the Adversary") is simply the Prosecuting Attorney, if you will, in the Heavenly Court. His job is to "accuse" people day and night. Does this mean that the rabbis believed Satan to be a REAL being? Well, ... not exactly....
The rabbis taught that Satan, the Evil Impulse and the Angel of Death were all one in the same. What does this mean?
The rabbis taught that the Evil Impulse isn't evil in and of itself, because WITHOUT IT we wouldn't engage in business, build a home, marry or begat children. Basically, the Evil Impulse - that is to say, our "Id", if you will - is
nothing more than the Sex Drive (i.e., self-procreation) and our Survival Instinct (i.e., self-preservation) and these two clearly walk hand-in-hand. The Good Impulse (Heb. "Yetzer Ha-Tov") is basically one's "Super-Ego".
Our Sex Drive only becomes EVIL when self-procreation is turned toward selfish-sexual gratification, via the Agent of the Flesh (i.e., that "Old Man"; the "Id", etc.), without due regard for (or the consent of) one's partner per the established laws of the land and/or the Law of G_d, etc. (No, I'm not saying that sex is solely a procreative act).
Further, our Survival Instinct only becomes EVIL when self-preservation becomes selfish-proclamation - "Me! Me! Me! My needs, wants, desires before (and/or in place of) those of others!", etc.
So, in answer to the question.... Yes, Satan is real; howbeit, a REAL part of the human psyche. In short, Satan is that little voice in your head that accuses you day and night. Satan is that little voice in your head that tells you how worthless you are. Satan is your internal Critical Parent Ego-State, if you will. This is why the Apostle Paul writes that YOUR heart will accuse or excuse you come Judgement Day. You needn't worry about G_d judging and condemning you.... You'll do that yourself ... if you continue to allow your "Id" to govern your life.
According to the rabbinic literature ... the ultimate victory over the Evil Impulse won't come until it is removed from the human equation altogether, which will occur after the Resurrection. Hence, it is the destiny of Satan (i.e., your "Id") to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (i.e., the garbage dump, if you will).
The historical Yeshua (aka Jesus) validates this rabbinic concept in his own teaching about life in the post-Resurrection Era.
Luke 20: 34-36 - "The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."
Yeshua (aka Jesus) is pointing out that in the post-Resurrection Era our Survival Instinct and Sex Drive will be removed. Why? Because one who is truly immortal doesn't need to protect themselves from death and one who is truly immortal need not procreate in order to perpetuate one’s self by having offspring.
I could go on and on, but ... I doubt anyone read this far.
Originally posted by jfdarby
Satan has many Names...
Lucifer ( satan, Lion, old man, Dragon, Deceiver, liar, Devil, The father of Death)))) and many more names is all the same Angle.. [SNIP]