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NEWS: Police Taser Kills 18 Year Old

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:49 AM
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A Police Officer in Summit County, Ohio, near Akron, investigating tresspassers was charged by a man. She used the Taser against the larger man who was responding "incoherently". This is the second time this year that a Taser has killed in Summit County. The Officer has been placed on Administrative Leave.
 



www.ohio.com
Moneypenny said Holcomb was found wandering shirtless in a horse pasture along Griffith Road and appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The owner had called police and reported trespassers.
The investigating female officer repeatedly attempted to talk to Holcomb, Moneypenny said, ``trying to determine who he was and what was wrong with him and why he was there.''
Holcomb responded incoherently, Moneypenny said, ``switching from talking to singing rap songs. He made statements to the officer that someone was going to die. He also made other statements that didn't make sense.''
Moneypenny said the officer kept her distance while waiting for assistance. But before backup arrived, Holcomb ``charged toward her.''
``She gave him verbal orders to stop and when he was a short distance away... the officer felt threatened -- she used her Taser.''
Akron Beacon Journal




Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This officer was doing her job, and defensively used a supposedly non-lethal weapon. The man should not have charged her, nor should he have been trespassing.
I have sympathy for the man's family, but my heart goes out to the officer. A Taser is not supposed to kill, she apparently only tried to keep from being attacked. This man was reportedly healthy, so why did the Taser kill? Is it more lethal than I have been lead to believe?
Two other newspapers, Cleveland Plain Dealer and Canton Repository, also seem to agree on the details.

Related News Links:
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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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Hey, I cant get on the site....it's one of them that requires registration

Can you post the entire readpage please



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:57 AM
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If everything went down as reported, I don't blame the officer for using the taser. But my question is, why two deaths in this same county by tasers? Have they modified the tasers in some way that make them lethal when they shouldn't be? Something to keep in mind also is that the report states the guy was acting "incoherently". If he was whacked out on crack or something, the taser jolt could have caused heart failure that would have not occurred in an un-over-stimulated body.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:02 AM
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why two deaths in this same county by tasers?

good question, kinda makes you wonder huh


Something to keep in mind also is that the report states the guy was acting "incoherently". If he was whacked out on crack or something, the taser jolt could have caused heart failure that would have not occurred in an un-over-stimulated body.

That's his fault and his problem.......not the cops or the counties

I can see the family now trying to sue the county case thier son died due to a tazer, when in fact he died due to his actions and his drug addiction


[edit on 29/5/2005 by SportyMB]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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Your always going to have the odd fatality from these things.
Someones going to whacked out on crack and it'll push their heart that bit too much, or be epileptic, or have a weak heart anyway, etc, etc.

What you have to do is look at the bigger picture, how many times out of all the times they are used are people killed? You only hear about when it goes wrong, not when it doesn't.

What do YOU (this is to anyone saying tasers are bad) suggest?? emm?
Maybe they should shoot them instead? Club them with a stick?

Maybe they should be unarmed and maybe the cops should be hurt or killed?

At the end of the day they are relatively non-lethal apart from a very few exceptions.

I'm fed up with yet MORE nammy pammy doo-gooders with they're uneducated, illinformed, worthless points of view with no real perspective on the whole subject.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:08 AM
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SportyMb
I forgot that the site needs you to register. Yes, I will copy-paste the article for you. See it below.
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Posted on Sun, May. 29, 2005

Teen stunned by Taser dies
18-year-old Akron man found wandering on private property charged at officer, police say
By Jewell Cardwell
Beacon Journal staff writer

All that the parents of 18-year-old Richard T. Holcomb of Akron know is that he left Friday evening with friends en route to a high school graduation party.
They awoke the next morning to news of his death.
Holcomb died after being stunned with a Taser gun by a Springfield Township police officer about 1 a.m. Saturday.
The Summit County Medical Examiner's Office will perform an autopsy to determine the cause of death, township police Capt. Garry Moneypenny said. The Summit County Prosecutor's Office also will review the case.
Holcomb's death was the second Summit County fatality this year involving a police Taser.
Moneypenny said Holcomb was found wandering shirtless in a horse pasture along Griffith Road and appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The owner had called police and reported trespassers.The investigating female officer repeatedly attempted to talk to Holcomb, Moneypenny said, ``trying to determine who he was and what was wrong with him and why he was there.''
Holcomb responded incoherently, Moneypenny said, ``switching from talking to singing rap songs. He made statements to the officer that someone was going to die. He also made other statements that didn't make sense.''
Moneypenny said the officer kept her distance while waiting for assistance. But before backup arrived, Holcomb ``charged toward her.''
``She gave him verbal orders to stop and when he was a short distance away... the officer felt threatened -- she used her Taser.''
Moneypenny said township paramedics were called but found Holcomb ``not very responsive.'' He was taken to Akron City Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
``We've used the Taser on numerous occasions before,'' Moneypenny said. ``But this is the first time a person has ever died in police custody in my 27 years with the department.''

Officer on leave

Moneypenny said the officer, who has been with the department for 3 ½ years, was placed on administrative leave -- standard procedure in cases involving a death. He described the officer, who he declined to name, as ``well-respected.''
``Our investigation is not complete,'' Moneypenny said. ``We, at this time, do not know why Mr. Holcomb was at this location or how he got there. He lives several miles from here. The homeowner does not know Mr. Holcomb.''
Moneypenny said Holcomb had no identification on him and officers spent several hours canvassing the neighborhood and homes known to have had parties.
``We got a call later from a female who told us the young man may be Richard Holcomb and gave us his address.''

A knock on the door

Terry Miller, Holcomb's stepfather, said he and his wife, Kimberly, learned of their son's death after being awakened when police knocked on their door early Saturday morning.
Miller said his stepson has been in trouble before ``but nothing serious.''
According to Akron Municipal Court records, Holcomb was arrested in February two days after his 18th birthday after a car accident and was charged with possession of alcohol and drug paraphernalia. He was convicted and received a 180-day jail sentence, with all but five days suspended.
``He would never harm nobody that I have ever seen,'' Miller said.
He said he didn't know how Holcomb ended up in the pasture ``unless he got mad at one of his friends about something and got out of the car.
``All we know is that he was with friends at a graduation party.''
Kimberly Miller described her son as someone ``who liked listening to music, playing pool, video and card games. And he liked the girls. He had lots of girlfriends.''
She said her son was working on his high school equivalency degree through the Akron Urban League.
The parents said their son didn't have any known health problems that would have been a factor in his death.
``He was 6-2 and 180 pounds,'' his stepfather said.
Kimberly Miller said, ``He was very healthy and was solid muscle.''
She added, ``I wish they would take those things (stun guns) off the streets. I would have much rather had him shot in the leg and lost his leg than lost his life.''

Stun gun scrutiny

The Summit County medical examiner ruled that shocks from Tasers used by Akron police contributed to the death of 30-year-old Dennis Hyde, a suspected burglar who struggled with officers in January.
Stun guns have been the subject of national scrutiny after Taser-related deaths and injuries in other cities.
According to the human rights group Amnesty International, which criticizes stun guns, more than 100 people have died in custody in the United States and Canada since 1999 after being shocked by Tasers, which can deliver 50,000-volt jolts from 25 feet away.
Tom Smith, president and founder of Taser International, defended the safety record of his company's stun guns, telling the Associated Press last week that ``in only 15 of those deaths were Tasers listed as a contributing factor by medical examiners.''
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Jewell Cardwell can be reached at jcardwell@thebeaconjournal.com
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© 2005 Beacon Journal and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.
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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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Thanks for posting it.....this gave much more insight



I wish they would take those things (stun guns) off the streets. I would have much rather had him shot in the leg and lost his leg than lost his life.''

Maybe a cop or former police officer on ATS can clarify this. Im going off of what I read in a book on deadly force encounters....so I cant say it's true for sure.
Anways, It is my understanding that cops are trained to shoot to kill, not to wound or stop. I understand why it is this way.....even if you shoot them many times they may still be alive and still have the momentum and or strength to pull a trigger, stab, deliver a blow to the head or whatever else.
Incapacitate the target, shoot center mass.

Anyways I understand the lady lost her son and her understanding is very clouded right now but he had/has a much higher chance of dying if he is shot in the leg than if he is tazed.


J_3

posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:48 AM
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Turns out that some of these "non-lethal" weapons turned out to be quite lethal. If you don't mind paraphrasing a well known Titor.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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This man had all the symptoms of having consumed PCP or "wet." PCP often causes deaths by heart or lung failure without any help from taser guns, so this is no surprise.

Police officers don't shoot people in the legs. That's a myth.

Zip



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by AgentSmith
I'm fed up with yet MORE nammy pammy doo-gooders with they're uneducated, illinformed, worthless points of view with no real perspective on the whole subject.


That's ok, us uneducated nammy pammys will still try to look out for your rights and well-being. I think it's namby pamby and "their" worthless points of view, but we get your drift.


It's well known by police departments (or anyone trained in taser use) that subects under the influence of narcotics are a high risk with tasers. I don't think there was any option in this case, it sounds like it was used correctly and saved the officer from being harmed.

[/nambypambyness]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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Hard to blame the officer if the story is correct, although only the survivors live to tell their side of the story. A lot of cops these days are "taser-happy" I think, so I'm taking the cops side of the story with a grain of salt, but will presume her to be innocent.

Even a punch in the face or chest can kill someone under the right circumstances.

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Hajduk]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 01:56 PM
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There are basically two ways that I can imagine a taser killing somebody.

1. If you didn't stop zapping them. There should be a quick review of the training given to the officers, and if they don't already, Tasers shoudl have a device which records how much of a jolt they give the target.

2. If your heart is weak or adversely affected by drugs, getting pumped full of electricity might kill you- no shock there.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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Tasers shoudl have a device which records how much of a jolt they give the target.

Sounds good. But even without actual jolt meters could just see how much juice is left in questionable cases???....seems like the tazer gun would be kept as evidence if involved in a death so there's no reason why it would read incorrect

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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Can't a TASER be set at several levels of jolt? If so, was this one set at maximum?



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:11 PM
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That's ok, us uneducated nammy pammys will still try to look out for your rights and well-being. I think it's namby pamby and "their" worthless points of view, but we get your drift.


It's well known by police departments (or anyone trained in taser use) that subects under the influence of narcotics are a high risk with tasers. I don't think there was any option in this case, it sounds like it was used correctly and saved the officer from being harmed.

[/nambypambyness]




I was talking about the doo-gooders that talk about not using tasers, people not owning guns, people not having sharp kitchen knives, not smacking children, etc etc..

As you seem to share the point of view that the officer was right to use the taser I don't understand why you had to criticise my comments or pick on my poor spelling?

I can just see this being another case that doo-gooders use against police being equipped with tasers. Here in England they are starting to equip some police with stun guns and I think this is a good thing, as they can't carry guns over here and all they have is pepper spray and an ASP.
However the usual moron brigade is criticising the use of them and 'highlighting' incidences such as this where the outcome has been that the person has been killed. What they fail to do is highlight the numerous occasions when no-one has been killed and it has actually saved the officers life and potentially the lives of members of the public.

Members of the public here are not allowed to carry any form of selfdefence weapon either, be it a taser, pepper spray, stick, etc. I wonder how many women's lives might have been saved if they were allowed to carry them?
Of course if you know where to go they are still relatively easy to get hold off, so anyone dangerous still has them. And if they can't get them they just carry around a knife, gun, axe, machete, hammer or whatever else they can get.
Slightly off subject but worth mentioning.

Anyway, I hope I pass your little spelling bee, (or whatever you call it) let me know how I scored, yeah? cheers...


EDIT - for grammer, probalby still loads of mistakes but I don't want to upset 'mythatsabigprobe'

[edit on 29-5-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 04:37 PM
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I am in support of Taser use, a non lethal method disabling a target at Range is much better then getting shot full of lead. Not to metion these days we seem to hear more about deaths caused by Tasers, then Taser use that does not cause deaths.

Btw, wouldn't pepper spray work better in some cases?



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 06:57 PM
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Depends on the situation. If somebody who is possibly hopped up on drugs is charging you, you need instant stopping power. If you've got a bonafide tough guy on your hands or if he's just too hopped up to care- he might still be able to grapple with you because pepper spray won't stop him in his tracks. The last thing you want is to have him tackle you while you're spraying him and maybe you end up getting that stuff in your face too. Now you're not in such great shape either and your opponent has the advantage of being on drugs.

At least this isn't some old lady. Next time the police taser a little old lady who could have been grabbed and handcuffed or just left alone I'm gonna have a stroke.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 07:03 PM
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The last thing you want is to have him tackle you while you're spraying him and maybe you end up getting that stuff in your face

I second that. Ive been sprayed once in my life (for training), they friggen sprayed like 1/4 a can on my face and it took me out of my A-game for awhile. By far the worst pain Ive ever felt. People that have been shot say they'ed rather be shot then sprayed with the good stuff.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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i think they need to fix the wattage on these stun guns thay are killing to many people.they need to be also used with the persons weight in mind also.some police may not be using them properly. i feel there just using them at full force.dont forget about those who might have a bad heart ,pace makers and other defects.guide lines are a need with this weapon.i dont see much difference using a weapon that does the same thing a bullet does.it just does not make a hole.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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hmm it seems he was SUSPECTED of POSSIBLY being on drugs. where is the autopsy report? also we only have the officer's word that she was suposidly charged by the guy. that lends little to the truth of the matter. the cop may be telling the truth, an outright lie to cover her tracks, or may have even misinterpited a stumble from a loss of ballance as an attack. my first question is where was her backup? you get a call about some crzy guy roaing arround why only a single cop responding? it seems that the police or this officer CREATED a bad situation by haveing a lone cop trying to deal with someone who may have been drunk, stoned, "crazy" or possibly even suffering from a head wound.

was it the fact of haveing a taeser reason to feel secure enough about handleing the situation alone? a cop should NEVER be ALONE at night especialy when the suspect may be haveing some "problems".

taesers should be removed from the police forces, they ARE NOT NON LEATHAL. but cops are asured that they are and so they will tend to use them when other means might be better and safer but not as conveinant. if they are not removed than there hould be strict standards on how they can be used. if someone who may be on drugs ha a higher than normal chance of being killed for example then NO ONE SHOULD BE ALOWED TO USE A TAESER ON SUCH A SUSPECT.



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