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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by rogue1However army you are wrong about one area, China is more than capable of building their own indigenous strategic missile systems.
[edit on 29-5-2005 by dbates]


Umm...do you know where they got the technology for their engines, telemetry, warheads, and in flight GPS?

It wasn't from their own feeble little minds, but courtesy of William Jefferson Klinton. Hell, they didn't even have to steal that information!




posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by rogue1
OK, It's agreed China and India can't produce JACK *** unless they've copied it. No more posts of this kind needed, I have passed my judgement.

However army you are wrong about one area, China is more than capable of building their own indigenous strategic missile systems.


*Stop attempting to bypass the censors with creative typing.*

[edit on 29-5-2005 by dbates]



hey, hey lets not get ahead of our selves here aye?Indeed this kind of copying finger pointing doesn't get anywhere but you never heard about all the SLBM/ICBM tech that the chinese stole from the USA in the 1990s..

IT was all over BBC say about a decade ago..
links:

www.acronym.org.uk...
www.christusrex.org...

actually too many links... just do a google for the "cox report" or
"chinese nuclear scientist SLBM ICBM espionage los alamos"..
you'll get more than sufficient reading material..
How come very few people know about this??
Or were ya all in diapers at that time??!!



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:11 PM
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edit: double post

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Daedalus3]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Taishyou
The ships are the closest to fully indegenous designs although some equipment here and there may be imported. Nevertheless they're closest to a full fledged indegenous design. I don't see anyone figuring out where the Type 051 destroyers and the catamaran patrol boats were "copied" from. Well? Anyone?

Still no one?



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by Army
Umm...do you know where they got the technology for their engines, telemetry, warheads, and in flight GPS?

It wasn't from their own feeble little minds, but courtesy of William Jefferson Klinton. Hell, they didn't even have to steal that information!


Hmm, they were building rockets long before Clinton ever came to power. They now have a huge indutrial base capable of producing a variety of rockets that the US can't match ( in terms of diversity and priduction ) at the moment. Expect to see China take the lead in the next 20 years.

I am of course referring to short, madium and long range rockets



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:06 AM
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quote: Originally posted by rogue1However army you are wrong about one area, China is more than capable of building their own indigenous strategic missile systems.
[edit on 29-5-2005 by dbates]

You said Strategic, not rockets. Hell, China has been launching rockets of all sorts ever since they figured out black powder.

But Chinese fireworks were never a nuclear capable danger to America, until they copied technology supplied by the Klinton administration. You can also thank Billy Boy for the advances in North Korea.

Which makes my statement....correct.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by QuietSoul

Originally posted by QuietSoul
Are we going to DISCUSS anything on this DISCUSSION BOARD thread or just post a bunch of pictures and links?



Guess not.


Air to air missiles

alright i'll stop here...i am tired of this...otherwise i would have gone on and on.

Chinawhite has needlessly brought up topics which were prohibited here with the intent of starting a flame war and i had no choice but to have a go, unable to take more of this.

This thread must be shut down and moved out of here, imo.


Flame war???

did i mention anything about india...???

Shut your mouth if its not about you



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by rogue1
....and the point oif these posts are what exactly ?

chinawhite this is getting really old. It's blatantly obvious why you strated this thread. Well I wonder who is going to take your flame bait.



I never started this thread for a flame war. i wanted people to see the achevements china has done in the last few years.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Army

But Chinese fireworks were never a nuclear capable danger to America, until they copied technology supplied by the Klinton administration. You can also thank Billy Boy for the advances in North Korea.

Which makes my statement....correct.


The Chinsese had the CSS-5 rocket back in the 80's carrying a 5MT warhead with a range of over 10 000km, easily within range CONUS. Whilst they weren't the most high tech rockets around they could still do the job. This was all without US or Soviet help.

I agree with what you say about Clinton, relaxing restrictions on tech transfer with Chinese companies has allowed the to acceltrate their programs. There is no doubt about that.
On the other hand though you can't say that all Chinses developments have come from stolen US technology.

Unfortunately for the US Strategic ricket design has stagnated since the late 80's, whilst the Chinese are agressivlet building and testing new models. The US's ( and the world's ) most advanced missile the MX has been retired, go figure.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
HJ-8 Anti-Tank Guided Missile

Chinese copy of Soviet AT-4 Spigot
which inturn was copied by Pakistan as Baktar Shikan



Your wrong again.

from your site.


The HJ-8 is a command to line of sight, IR semi-active homing, wire-guided anti-tank missile resembling some features of the Soviet/Russian AT-4 Spigot.


dont cut and paste different post trying to fool other menbers of the forum



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Army
QuietSoul, chinawhite claimed all these are indigenious systems, without any reverse engineering (also known as stolen and copied material).


StealthSpy has correctly and easily proven that almost NOTHING Chna does is indigenious...much like the Soviet Union before them.

chinawhite is a boob to try and fool anyone here with his propaganda.

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Army]


Would you say that the US abram is a indigeniou tank??

if so then it uses a german gun. does it make it german??



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy




J-8 with larger fire-control radar and various other avionics equipment.
Some parts were taken from the or Sukhoi Su-15 Flagon.

During their temporary coalition in the 1980s, China and the USA reached an agreement of upgrading the J-8B fighter with modern avionics. As part of the "Peace Pearl" Project, in 1986 the George Bush (senior) administration approved to sell 52 sets of US-made APG-66 fire-control radar together with other avionics worth US$200 million in total to China to upgrade her J-8B fleet. Grumman (now Northrop Grumman) was chosen to co-operate with the SAC in this project. However, this project was halted after June 1989 and then completely terminated in 1990.

Following the end of the Cold War, China turned to Russia for helps to upgrade the J-8B fighter. In 1996 SAC revealed its F-8IIM fighter, which is fitted with the Russian Phazotron Zhuk-8II coherent pulse Doppler radar and R-27R1 (AA-10 Alamo-A) semi-active radar homing medium-range AAM, the F-8IIM is the most capable variant of the J-8B series. Its domestic variant is said to be the J-8C (or J-8III).

www.sinodefence.com...



[edit on 29-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]


thats the j-8 airplane i mentioined the j-8b theres a huge differnce. get it right



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
J-7 Interceptor Fighter Aircraft
copy of the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F-13


J-7C Interceptor Fighter Aircraft
made by reverse engineering of the Soviet/Rusian Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF


J-7E Interceptor Fighter Aircraft
aircraft is based on the airframe of the J-7/MiG-21 Fishebed, but with improved aerodynamics performance and avionics from the Mig-29(purchased from russia).


J-8 Interceptor Fighter Aircraft
borrowed lots of designs from the Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-152A experimental aeroplane about which the Chinese had received data in the late 1950s.

H-5 Bomber Aircraft

The Hong-5 (H-5) is a licensed copy of the Ilyushin IL-28 (NATO codename: Beagle) twin-engine daylight bomber aircraft produced by Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation (HAMC). Several hundred H-5 bomber variants and HJ-5 bomber-trainer variants were delivered to the PLA Air Force and PLA Naval Air Corps in the 1960s/70s

H-6 Bomber Aircraft

The Hong-6 (H-6) is the twin-engine intermediate-range jet bomber developed and built by Xi'an Aircraft Industry Co. (XAC). The aircraft is a Chinese copy of the Soviet Tu-16 (NATO codename: Badger) with some modifications.

H-6D Anti-Ship Missile Bomber Aircraft

The Xi'an H-6D is derived from the H-6 (Chinese copy of the Russian Tu-16 Badger) bomber for the maritime reconnaissance and anti-ship roles, the latter with the aid of a target acquisition/illumination radar with its antenna in a larger undernose radome, and with single hardpoints (under the wings outboard of the main landing gear units) for two YJ-6 (C-601) anti-ship missiles with a range of 120 km and a speed of Mach 0.8.

Q-5 Attack Aircraft

The Qiang-5 (Q-5, NATO codename: Fantan) attack aircraft is a twin-engine, single-seat attack aircraft for close air support and interdiction of enemy targets roles. Developed by Hongdu (Nanchang) Aircraft Industry Group, the aircraft was based on, and derived from, the Shenyang J-6 (Chinese copy of the MiG-19 Farmer)

Chuji Jiaolian-6 or Chujiao-6 (CJ-6)- Basic trainer
copy of Soviet Yak-18A

JJ-5 Basic Jet Training Aircraft
copy of modified MiG-17bis fighter

JJ-7 Fighter-Trainer Aircraft
copy of Soviet MiG- 21U 'Mongol-A'


Did i mention any of these planes.????


want me to bring out indian aircraft.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy


The J-10 is based on the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI)’s Lavi fighter. After the Lavi programme was cancelled in 1987, its design was taken over by CAC, and IAI carried on with the development of avionic equipment.

It is powered by Russian Lyulka-Saturn AL-31F turbofan, the same power plant also being used by Chinese air force Sukhoi Su-27s and Su-30s.

Radar :Russian Phazotron Zhuk-10PD, a version of the system in later Su-27s, with 160 km search range and ability to track up to six targets. Israel has offered its Elta EL/M-2035 radar for competition.

Cockpit parts : basic Ukrainian Arsenel HMS copied by China's Luoyang Avionics

Weapons :J-10 could also carry Russian Vympel R-73 (AA-11) short-range and R-77 (AA-12)

www.sinodefence.com...

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]


stealth spy do you know what based is???

meaning

# The fundamental principle or underlying concept of a system or theory; a basis.

it means using it as a starting off point jesus



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy




The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...



STEALTH THE THINGS YOU POST ARE MOSTLY RUMUORS AND HAVE NOT CREDITBILLITY.[/SIZE]

YOU HIGHLIGHT THINGS LIKE Chinese copy of the AL-31FN

WHEN THE ARTICLE SAYS IS SAID.

AND THIS.


Originally posted by Stealth Spy
HJ-8 Anti-Tank Guided Missile

Chinese copy of Soviet AT-4 Spigot
which inturn was copied by Pakistan as Baktar Shikan


THE ARTICLE SAID

[QUOTE]The HJ-8 is a command to line of sight, IR semi-active homing, wire-guided anti-tank missile resembling some features of the Soviet/Russian AT-4 SpigoT[/QUOTE]

CAN YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS SOME FEATURES RESEMBLING THE AT-4 SPIGOT. IT MAKES NO MENTION WHAT SO EVER OF COPYING.



[edit on 30-5-2005 by chinawhite]



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 03:44 AM
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: Type 56, 7.62 mm Automatic Assault Rifle
Chinese copy of the world-famous Kalashnikov 7.62 mm AK-47 assult rifle



Agree


Type 79, 7.62 mm Sniper Rifle
Chinese copy of the Soviet Dragunov SVD



Agree


Type 81 Assault Rifle (7.62mm)
Chinese copy of the later, improved AK-47



If this is a copy of the AK-47 then the israeli Gali is also a copy. it uses the same kind of mechanism of the AK but different design


Type 95 Squad Machine Gun (5.8mm)
Chinese French Giat FAMAS and the British SA80 assault rifles, by mixing and matching from both



Are you trying to say that all bullpup designs are the same. Mix and match.??
whats that about. It has similar layout of the british and french weapons because theres bullpup designs.


Type 80, 7.62 mm Heavy Machine Gun
Chinese copy of the Soviet PKMC 7.62 mm machine gun




The Type 80 was based on the Soviet PKMC 7.62 mm machine gun

even your source said this



Type 77, 12.7 mm Antiaircraft Machine Gun
Strongly resembles soviet equivalents



good you use the right words resemble


Type 91, 35 mm Grenade Launcher
Chinese copy of the Russian GP-25



??? you seem to have been lost this can also fit on the type-95


any source on this???



PF-89, 80 mm Light Anti-tank Weapon
Chinese copy of the Soviet RPG-16



again i need a source.. sinodefence doesn't given hint on soviet help

STEALTH SPY DONT POST ALL THIS INFO KNOWING THATS ITS WRONG. YOU ONLY GAVE ONE SOURCE. THE OTHER WAS AN ARTICLE.

I CLEARED MOST OF THE ONES THAT WERE WRONG UP DONT POST STUPID THINGS AGAIN



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by rogue1


I am of course referring to short, madium and long range rockets


well then your are not refering to my post above..



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Type 91, 35 mm Grenade Launcher
Chinese copy of the Russian GP-25



??? you seem to have been lost this can also fit on the type-95


any source on this???



PF-89, 80 mm Light Anti-tank Weapon
Chinese copy of the Soviet RPG-16



again i need a source.. sinodefence doesn't given hint on soviet help

STEALTH SPY DONT POST ALL THIS INFO KNOWING THATS ITS WRONG. YOU ONLY GAVE ONE SOURCE. THE OTHER WAS AN ARTICLE.

I CLEARED MOST OF THE ONES THAT WERE WRONG UP DONT POST STUPID THINGS AGAIN


I HAVE NOT POSTED WHAT YOU HAVE QUOTED IN THIS THREAD.

Stop making up things and quit putting s--- into my posts that you quote



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 06:38 AM
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give me any edvience of me changing your post???

i just copied and pasted what i said in the other thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Army

You said Strategic, not rockets. Hell, China has been launching rockets of all sorts ever since they figured out black powder.

But Chinese fireworks were never a nuclear capable danger to America, until they copied technology supplied by the Klinton administration. You can also thank Billy Boy for the advances in North Korea.

Which makes my statement....correct.



my my.. you really don't like clinton do you??!

but I agree with you in the case of china stealing ballistic technology from the US for their own military use..
As I said a google for the "cox report" and "china espionage SLBM ICBM los alamos" will reveal lots of info.. And it was espionage.. not antics of the clinton admin..
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Scientists of chinese origin working in los alamos passed secret info..Info sp specific that it could be traced down to a combination of 7 SLBMs and ICBMs




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