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U.S. Sanctions China for Proliferation to Iran, Libya, North Korea

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 06:27 AM
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The State Department yet again sanctioned China for their illicit proliferation of ballistic missile aid to Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism.

The notice in the Federal Register said that the nine were being penalized for transferring to Iran “equipment and technology controlled under multilateral export control lists.”

A senior State Department official, Paula A. DeSutter, is quoted as having previously referred to China’s “serial proliferator problem,” and testified to a Congressional commission that despite China’s nominal opposition to such proliferation, “the reality has been quite different.” The New York Times also quotes a senior administration official as saying that, “while they are helping us on North Korea, they have not been as helpful on Iran.” The New York Times also refers to official’s suspicions that China may have sold Iran the nuclear weapon design which A. Q. Kahn of Pakistan acquired, and for which complete blueprints were found in Libya. The Times quotes a former senior American official as saying that, “We suspect that the Iranians also have the Chinese bomb design.” “What everyone is looking for is the missile that matches up with the design.” Of course, it was widely reported a number of months ago that Iran had modified the payload section of its Shahab-3/-4 missile to carry a different form of weapon, which could be either nuclear or chemical.


The state run companies from China engaged in proliferation include: Beijing Alite Technologies Limited, China Aero-Technology Import Export Corporation, China Great Wall Industry Corporation, China North Industry Corporation (Norinco), Q.C. Chen, Wha Cheong Tai Company, and Zibo Chemet

The real sources of proliferation is China. It is from here that Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea received the vast amount of missile technology and equipment.

NY Times article.... (requires simple registration)

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 06:29 AM
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.S. Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham has stated that Libya had in its possession not only the blueprints for a Chinese nuclear warhead, but all the components to produce it, reports Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough. The design had apparently come through the A. Q. Khan Pakistani proliferation network, but Secretary Abraham was unwilling to comment as to its source before then: “As to how things got to who, I can’t tell you the chain,” he said. He also noted that in terms of completing a nuclear warhead, they had both the design and materials: “It would take them time to get it done, but they definitely did not lack for the ingredients.”

The Chinese, despite their protests and nominal opposition to nuclear and missile proliferation, are in fact very much behind the proliferation of both. States such as Pakistan and North Korea are, indeed, proxy states in such proliferation. One may speculate that Pakistan would not have delivered the Chinese blueprint to Libya if China did not wish it to do so.


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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 06:32 AM
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Undersecretary of State John Bolton publicly blasted China for its persistent and considerable transfers of missile technology to Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, and other rogue states, in violation of its own non-proliferation pledges. Bolton delivered the firm remarks at a Japan-sponsored conference in Tokyo.

Bolton warned that the US would move aggressively to further sanction Chinese companies providing such transfers, as it has repeatedly in recent years, which he said also included Pakistan, North Korea and Libya:

“On numerous occasions we have expressed our concern about these entities to the Chinese government and have asked Beijing to subject exports by these serial proliferators to persistent and close scrutiny…Unfortunately, we continue to see transfers by these serious proliferators of missile-related items to rogue states and outposts of tyranny such as Iran.”

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 06:33 AM
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With all these Sanctions their just pushing china away to europe and russian tech. the US is losing a lucrative chinese market with all this irresponsible sanctions.

how do you know if you dont like communism if you havent tried it


[edit on 29-5-2005 by chinawhite]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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China said Tuesday it was "not wise" of the United States to slap new sanctions on Chinese firms suspected of helping Iran in its quest for weapons of mass destruction and missiles.

"We have formulated a series of regulations and laws to prevent the spread of weapons of mass destruction," Kong said. "We will crack down on such actions."

The seven Chinese companies include China North Industry Corporation (Norinco) and China Great Wall Industry, which both have close ties to the People's Liberation Army.

The two are already under US sanctions for violating various export control regimes, and it was not immediately clear how the new measures will affect their business.

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
With all these Sanctions their just pushing china away to europe and russian tech. the US is losing a lucrative chinese market with all this irresponsible sanctions.


There is no such thing as "lucrative chinese market". Look at the trade deficit USA VS China. In fact the best solution for US (and also other) economy would be to immediately put an absolute embargo on the whole US-China trade. The sooner the better.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by chinawhite
With all these Sanctions their just pushing china away to europe and russian tech. the US is losing a lucrative chinese market with all this irresponsible sanctions.


There is no such thing as "lucrative chinese market". Look at the trade deficit USA VS China. In fact the best solution for US (and also other) economy would be to immediately put an absolute embargo on the whole US-China trade. The sooner the better.


i mean the booming chinese domestic aircraft market. Now all the orders are going to Airbus.

If china and US stop trade then whats going to happen???
US companys reinvest in US again..WRONG

the gap is going to be filled by other countries like mexico and third world countries. The USA is going to paid for inferior quailty produts and still have a very large trade defict



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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I find the idea of sanctions against China to be quite hurmours given that the shrits on the peoples backs that imposed sanctions probaly came from China. I dont think the sanctions will cause many problems because the likes of Iran would just set up companys as fronts to obtain nuke weapons tech if they dont already.

And when the US refuses to sell the tec to the blacklisted companys images of starving kids will appear on the TV no prizes for guessing who wins a propganda victory.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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"The Chinese government pattern of promises made and promises broken on trade issues, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction technology and on human rights and basic freedoms continues"


"Despite claims that China is helping to halt the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and related technology, numerous examples of such proliferation from China continue"

Miss Bartholomew also said there are reports that North Korea has used Chinese facilities for transshipping weapons exports to third countries.

The U.S. report includes a chart showing Chinese companies have sold CSS-8 and DF-15 ballistic missiles to Iran, along with cruise missiles identified as HY-1, HY-2 Silkworm, C-201, C-601, C-801 and C-802.
The report says China also is suspected of assisting Iran with the medium-range Shahab-3 missile, which was recently tested by the Iranians.



Other Chinese assistance to the Iranian missile programs has included support for indigenous Iranian missiles, propellant and chemicals used in making missile fuel, missile-guidance kits, gyroscopes, accelerometers and test equipment.


Many of the companies involved in the missile-related sales are state-owned enterprises or formerly state-owned companies connected to the Chinese military.



washingtontimes.com...



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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The Washington Times editorial staff has written a fine editorial on the dangers of allowing China membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), an action which pretends China can be trusted. An excerpt:

China’s membership is tacit acknowledgement by the other member states — including the United States, Britain, France and Russia — that Beijing supposedly can be trusted with a bigger role in global nuclear trade. That is a shortsighted decision we fear could have dangerous implications in the future. China’s Communist government has a long history of weapons proliferation. Beijing’s relationship with North Korea is particularly troubling. For years, Pyongyang has acted as a middleman to sell billions of dollars of black-market Chinese weapons to such places as Libya, Iran, Syria, Cuba and Pakistan. Pakistan’s nuclear-weapons program would not exist without the technical expertise it received from Chinese scientists. North Korea has worked hastily to produce nuclear warheads and the systems to deliver them. The engineering and designs for their intercontinental ballistic missiles are Chinese, and the two nations maintain a mutual defense pact (the only one Beijing has). It is risky to assume that Beijing will not sell nuclear material to its ally given its lack of restraint in the past.


The editors conclude, with no equivocation: “Beijing’s leaders harbor superpower ambitions and see themselves as the next challenger to American global power. Helping the Chinese become a more significant nuclear power is a mistake.”

www.washingtontimes.com...

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by chinawhite
With all these Sanctions their just pushing china away to europe and russian tech. the US is losing a lucrative chinese market with all this irresponsible sanctions.


There is no such thing as "lucrative chinese market". Look at the trade deficit USA VS China. In fact the best solution for US (and also other) economy would be to immediately put an absolute embargo on the whole US-China trade. The sooner the better.


i mean the booming chinese domestic aircraft market. Now all the orders are going to Airbus.

If china and US stop trade then whats going to happen???
US companys reinvest in US again..WRONG

the gap is going to be filled by other countries like mexico and third world countries. The USA is going to paid for inferior quailty produts and still have a very large trade defict

US companies invest in the middle-east, In india, In east european nations, phillipines,Taiwan, South america.. China's is not an "only solution"



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by chinawhite
With all these Sanctions their just pushing china away to europe and russian tech. the US is losing a lucrative chinese market with all this irresponsible sanctions.


There is no such thing as "lucrative chinese market". Look at the trade deficit USA VS China. In fact the best solution for US (and also other) economy would be to immediately put an absolute embargo on the whole US-China trade. The sooner the better.


i mean the booming chinese domestic aircraft market. Now all the orders are going to Airbus.

If china and US stop trade then whats going to happen???
US companys reinvest in US again..WRONG

the gap is going to be filled by other countries like mexico and third world countries. The USA is going to paid for inferior quailty produts and still have a very large trade defict

US companies invest in the middle-east, In india, In east european nations, phillipines,Taiwan, South america.. China's is not an "only solution"


my answer to that is how much investment do they put into the other countries compared to china.

when you find out then you'll understand



posted on May, 31 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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China,

What is also important is how much China has invested in America.

In this case I have to say that the Chinese exporting of missile tech is a bad move.

I have no issue with a country developing its own. Development tends to lead to a more responsible attitude to use.

Being given in without having to work at it tends to mean a lack of respect for the technology.

The best example of this is Saddam's use of chemical weapons.

Cheers

BHR



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 03:32 AM
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More help for Iran


...now from russia


Russia to help Iran's nuclear program



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 03:33 AM
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An Iranian-born American businessman has been charged with smuggling equipment to Iran to aid in their ballistic missile programs. Mohammad Farahbakhsh of Los Angeles has been charged with sending “pressure sensors and other equipment from Stamford to the United Arab Emirates, where they were to be shipped to Iran,” specifically to a company, the Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group, which has previously been sanctioned twice by the U.S. government for aiding Iranian missile development. Farahbakhsh is reportedly a so-called “dual citizen” in both Iran and the United States.




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posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by BillHicksRules
China,

What is also important is how much China has invested in America.

In this case I have to say that the Chinese exporting of missile tech is a bad move.

I have no issue with a country developing its own. Development tends to lead to a more responsible attitude to use.

Being given in without having to work at it tends to mean a lack of respect for the technology.

The best example of this is Saddam's use of chemical weapons.

Cheers

BHR


China does invest in america but not as much so as american companies invest in china.

the western powers gave Saddam chemical weapons.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
China,

What is also important is how much China has invested in America.

In this case I have to say that the Chinese exporting of missile tech is a bad move.

I have no issue with a country developing its own. Development tends to lead to a more responsible attitude to use.

Being given in without having to work at it tends to mean a lack of respect for the technology.

The best example of this is Saddam's use of chemical weapons.

Cheers

BHR


China does invest in america but not as much so as american companies invest in china.

the western powers gave Saddam chemical weapons.



yup thats why i said that china better be careful or it will end up like russia or iraq but chinawhite if you think its just american companies then you are wrong its the EU too. But, it looks like china is playing the game lets just hope they know the rules.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 06:58 AM
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Why does it happen that when China trades weapons to other countries, everybody rattles on and on while when the US trades weapons to Taiwan, Japan and SK, everyone keeps quiet? It just doesn't make sense why one country can't export arms while another country can export as much arms as they want.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Char2c35t

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
China,

What is also important is how much China has invested in America.

In this case I have to say that the Chinese exporting of missile tech is a bad move.

I have no issue with a country developing its own. Development tends to lead to a more responsible attitude to use.

Being given in without having to work at it tends to mean a lack of respect for the technology.

The best example of this is Saddam's use of chemical weapons.

Cheers

BHR


China does invest in america but not as much so as american companies invest in china.

the western powers gave Saddam chemical weapons.



yup thats why i said that china better be careful or it will end up like russia or iraq but chinawhite if you think its just american companies then you are wrong its the EU too. But, it looks like china is playing the game lets just hope they know the rules.


western companies dont significently invest in chinas compared to other asian countries. etc taiwan japan hong kong sigapore



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 02:46 AM
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Warlord,


Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Why does it happen that when China trades weapons to other countries, everybody rattles on and on while when the US trades weapons to Taiwan, Japan and SK, everyone keeps quiet? It just doesn't make sense why one country can't export arms while another country can export as much arms as they want.


It is called hypocrisy.

Same happens when EU tries to trade with anyone. US cries foul and says it will lead to war.

Cheers

BHR




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