Nukes best thing that happend to Japan.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Unien, please, you make yourself look like a ratard posting like this, get some facts before you post such silly crap.

First of all, millions of japanese did not die in the nuke attacks, the death count was 100,000. And I like how you seem to forget what went on in your own backyard: the bombing of dresden, which was a conventional firebombing that you seem to think is more humane, killed 400,000 people and sentanced them to a slow, painful death. i would condemn you as the racist, as you seem to think the deaths of 400,000 germans is somehow less mosterous then the flash bang death of 100,000 Japanese. But of course, i wouldnt expect a European to understand this: you seem to forget that YOU committed and STARTED these bloody wars because of your incompetance and stupidity in politics. And you DARE condemn us? How many times has finland been raped and invaded by Russia? Dont make me laugh, fool!

I would hardly expect the socialst republic of Europe to undertsand a thing like caring about its own people more than the enemies who would destroy it, but I shall say nonetheless. japan attacked first. If they didnt wanna get nuked, they should have left us out. They were busy committing worse crimes against the Chinese and Koreans than the germans ever did to any of its occupied nations. Horrors upon horros, that, to this day, Chinese and Koreans spit at the mention of japan, and I know Philipinos who quit thier jobs when our boss hired a Japanese man as a plant supervisor.

But go back to your pipedreams and Eurofantasies of philanthropy and surreal mind control. yes, if the nuking of 100000 japanese prevented 2000 of our men and women from dying, so be it.

"How many times has finland been raped and invaded by Russia? Dont make me laugh, fool!" ...

SO MANY TIMES THAT WE HAVE LOST COUNT!!! EVEN LONG BEFORE THERE WAS A SINGLE EUROPEAN IN AMERICAN CONTINENT!!!

You check your facts you piece of sh!t and dont give me this sh!t no more, as it seems you know nothing about nothing..

"socialst republic of Europe"

WHAT # ARE YOU FEEDING ME.. WE.. THE FINLAND HAVE NEVER BEEN A SOCIALIST STATE.. YOU REALLY GOT THINGS FCKED UP IN YOUR HEAD!!! FINLAND HAS BEEN A WESTERN DEMOCRACY EVEN BEFORE USA OR BRITAIN KNEW WHAT DEMOCRACY MEANS.. FINLAND HAS HAD WOMAN MP:S SINCE 1907.. WOMAN IS USA GOT THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE ONLY IN 1920.. SO DONT TELL ANYTHING ABOUT FREEDOM OR DEMOCRACY TO ME..



YOUR FREEDOM IS A LIE, YOU ALL ARE SLAVES FOR MONEY..

I JUST WONDER WHY ICANT DELETE MY OWN MESSAGES..

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[Edited on 10-8-2003 by Uninen]

What are you talking about Unien?

Considering that my father is a direct decendant of the Schrievors which was the ruling family in Wassa before they came to the United States of America, and the cousins to the King of Sweden, your "Western Democracy" ideas is pretty far off.

At least in "being the oldest".

The oldest democracy attempt is Brittain, the oldest actual Democracy is USA.

Free: "Jakomo, you obviously know nothing about WW2, because the Emperor wasn't heading anything, he was a figure head, completely out of the loop.

It was sarcasm. Your average Japanese civilian couldn't negotiate a surrender in WWII any more than the US public could instantly pull out of Vietnam (that took years).

And besides, Japan would have surrendered without the A-bombs, and the US knew it.

books.stonebooks.com...

""Our only warning to a Japan already militarily defeated, and in a hopeless situation, was the Potsdam demand for unconditional surrender issued on July 26, when we knew the Japanese surrender attempt had started. Yet when the Japanese surrender was negotiated about two weeks later, after the bomb was dropped, our unconditional surrender demand was made conditional and we agreed, as [Secretary of War] Stimson had originally proposed we should do, to continuation of the Emperor upon his imperial throne.

"We were, therefore, twice guilty. We dropped the bomb at a time when Japan already was negotiating for an end of the war, but before these negotiations could come to fruition. We demanded unconditional surrender, then dropped the bomb and accepted conditional surrender, a sequence which indicates pretty clearly that the Japanese would have surrendered, even if the bomb had not been dropped, had the Potsdam Declaration included our promise to permit the Emperor to remain on his imperial throne." "

rayrilingarmsbooks.com...

""If the saving of American lives had been the main objective, surely the bombs would have been held back until (a) it was certain that the Japanese peace proposals made through Russia were not acceptable, and (b) the Russian offensive, which had for months been part of the allied strategic plan, and which Americans had previously demanded, had run its course.""

They dropped the bombs to make sure the Russians knew they had them, and to force Japan to surrender faster so that the USSR wouldn't join in the invasion of Japan and get any post-war political clout in the occupation. The Allies had agreed at the Conference at Yalta that the Soviets would attack Japan three months after Germany surrendered.

Look it up. Google it. Hotbot it. Just don't expect me to swallow your chest-beating holier-than-thou patriotism, because if it's not based in fact then it just makes you lsound like a braying donkey.


Jakomo

Originally posted by FreeMason
What are you talking about Unien?

Considering that my father is a direct decendant of the Schrievors which was the ruling family in Wassa before they came to the United States of America, and the cousins to the King of Sweden, your "Western Democracy" ideas is pretty far off.

At least in "being the oldest".

The oldest democracy attempt is Brittain, the oldest actual Democracy is USA.

It is Uninen.. and means Sleepy..
And i think that womens right to vote is a BIG part of democracy.. and here in Finland, Danmark, Norway and Sweden woman had right to vote much earlier than women in UK or US..

And towns name is Vaasa.. and in Swedish Wasa..

Jakomo it is good you mention that a Japanese Civilian couldn't Negotiate surrender.

Because that is obvious...but as with the Germans, they could have stopped fighting.

They could have shuffled about, surrendering to the enemy when they came about (soldiers and civilians wherever the war was at), but no, they persisted relentlessly, to the point of suicide rather than surrender.

In Germany at least the war was over compared to the Japanese, after Bulge.

Fighting at Ramagen, and Haguenau, but it was really uncomparable to the relentless suicidal fighting being engaged by the Japanese people.

The Germans were beaten before they surrendered, but because of that, they were not devastated...meanwhile Japs were not beaten even after they surrendered.

Many of which would rather not have surrendered.

After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japanese civilians and hospital workers especially, were still convinced they should fight to the death, the surrender on Indianapolis was completely a shock.

Your democracy may have become a more representative democracy quicker, but not the FIRST democracy UniNen heh.

Originally posted by FreeMason
Depends, in this case it is serious. Why do you object you Spaniard?

What do you know of other cultures, you only killed off some of the world's most exotic, the Meso-Americans...yeah...sit back and shut up. You have no right to judge us.

MR. Inquisition.

FreeMason AGAIN resorts to racism against the Spanish.....where do you get off on this FM??? Every country has done bad in the past, Yours more than any other. Your contuing bashing of spaniards for no reason in the midddle of a topic has led me to believe that you are just an angry little boy who doesn't like not having his own way. Weird.

FreeMason: "They could have shuffled about, surrendering to the enemy when they came about (soldiers and civilians wherever the war was at), but no, they persisted relentlessly, to the point of suicide rather than surrender."

Again I'm showing my ignorance, but I never actually realized the US invaded Japan with ground forces and faced "relentless" sucide attacks from civilians in 1945 before dropping the A-bombs... I always figured it was firebombing and airstrikes.

But I'm willing to admit my mistake if you can just send me the link.


Jakomo

Lets get some things straight here folks.

Freemason, the US is not a democracy. A democracy is rule by the people, literally, where the masses all rally and vote over EVERYTHING. Do we vote when they increse taxes? Fees? Do WE vote to go to Iraq? No. representives we ELECT do it. This, we are not a democracy, were a REPUBLIC.

Niether is Finland a Democracy. Nor any state in Europe. Youre socialist. How many, tell me, how much money out of your paycheck does your govornment gaff each time? What percentage of your income do Finns pay in taxes? Socialism. I bet you have national welfare, pensions, and a social system that is huge. like all European Union nations do. Socialism, not democracy.

The greeks, who invented democracy noted it a complete failure and trashed the idea, going back to the rule of kings. While the Greeks thought it a noble idea and a good try, ultimatel;y, they realized that abso;ute rule by the rabble leads to chaos. The best way to halt progress is to put anything before a committee.

Thus, represenitive republics, far preferable, when they work right. The public keeps the stick at the politicians throats, and gets to vote on internal policies, when it functions well. Yet many daily petty descisions, and major ones that are no brainers, happen withoin the hands of the elected. The problem with America is that the shadow figures have manipulated the power into thier own hands that only those who serve thier masters even go up for election, ensuring that the darker powers that be, Zionists, Illuminati, ect. will continue to benefit and control.

Now, that we have that cleared, lets get something else clear. While America is hardly in fine shape, and I do NOT think its that free, we are a far cry from the slow decay of Europe and its sick socialist dehumanizing technocratic socialist robot state. Youre missing the point, junior:

WHILE AMERICA MAY BE ROYALLY #ING UP HER FORIEGN POLICY, EUROPE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO BITCH, CONSIDERING HOW MISERABLY YOU HAVE FAILED REPEATEDLY IN CONDUCTING SANE, PROMOPT, AND PRODUCTIVE DIPLOMATIC ENDS!

Europes catastrophic failiure at bargaining led to world war 1. Europes spineless complacency gave half the continent to Hitler without a single shot fired before deciding poland was enough. You could have acted descisively and disarmed the silly bastards before he went marching into the Rheinland. But nooooo.again, catastrophic European failure that resulted in the US getting dragged into yet ANOTHER pointless stupid war that was really none of our biz. it is European failures beyond its own borders that have caused much of the problems in the world today. The formation of iraq, African former colonies, ect.

The moral of the story is, before the Euro socialist drones go condemning our sick govrnment for its stupidity abroad, keep a hold on that stone, because your house is made of crystal. Dont get all moral and stuffy and self righteous when america goes carrying the flag of imperialism through a country where your own imperialistic touches left thier stagnant, decaying marks. If you didnt want America doing its worst to # up your former colonies and mistakes, you should have thought of that before you most foolishly and stupidly flushed your own power and influence down the toilet in two devestating, bloody wars that cost the lives of ober 100 million of your own.

I do not think you are always the bad guy you are painted to be, however you have done some very stupid things on this thread.
You continue to call people stupid, moronic, retarded etc. and yet you did not know the difference between an atom bomb and a nuclear bomb. You kept quiet for a while to let this embarrassing mistake blow over and and then you kick in again, referring to certain people as retarded. Isn't you calling somone retarded for being wrong when you were a bit...ermmm...retarded?

Did you knwo that just before WW2 the Japanese killed over 300,000 Chinese. They raped young girls and older women. They buried people alive, and they used the Chinese for target practice. Now the Japanese wont even say that it happened. At least the US knows what it did wrong.

Originally posted by jetsetter
Did you knwo that just before WW2 the Japanese killed over 300,000 Chinese. They raped young girls and older women. They buried people alive, and they used the Chinese for target practice. Now the Japanese wont even say that it happened. At least the US knows what it did wrong.

Well there is so much of them (Chinese..) it is good every time and then to have a little target practice on them.. so that they have room to live in their own contry..

And this "Skadi_the_Evil_Elf" at least doesnt admit that US has done anything wrong ever.. he even thinks that it was a good thing to blast 2 cities with 1/4 million people in each of them with nuclear weapons.. to dust..

And btw what does US admit? Nothing.. Agent Orange is harmless.. or so your goverment claims.. but look at the children born in those villages what were sprayed by it.. many of them are badly disformed.. or is having only 1 hand and no legs normal to Vietnamese people.. i think not.. and what about gulf syndrome? 10000 ex G.I:s have died in it.. but your goverment claims there is no syndrome.. maybe precautionary taking of vx antropine is healthy? And no radioactive is not released as DU rounds hit tanks and start to burn?

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You seem in a bad mood today, did something happen. He, he, he,he

Originally posted by jetsetter
You seem in a bad mood today, did something happen. He, he, he,he

Yeah.. im quite worked up.. as sh!t happens every day.. thats life..

Uninen, do they teach you reading comprehension in your schools over there? I have seldom seen people who cant comprehend a simple post so badly. You basically have read nothing except what you want to read. Youre as bad as the braindead right wing Christian whackos who scream god bless the USA while waving thier made in China flags. The sad thing is, youre incapable of seeing this.

I never said the US was never wrong, I have bashed certain policies that our govornment has made. Our govornment has been hijacked, and if you payed any attention, I oppose this war in Iraq.

However, I have no respect for braindead robot Eurodrones who can only spew out the crap thier media feeds them, to hate the US for all the wrong reasons. You have no say in the matter. Europe already has left a stamp of ruin on everything it has touched. Thus, you have no room to criticize anything. Clean out your own closests before you go tramping through others. But I guess you never heard of that concept, have you?

Finland collaborated with the Nazis in world war two, do they inform you that in your high and mighty schools? probably not. No matter, its of no signifigance. Its your problem that you threw away your national pride and identity and such to join the unholy European Union. Dont blame us if you no longer possess any national soverignty. The Brits are smart enough to question the EU at least. the rest of Europe just drones on.

We bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.your point? So? We did it. Hardly the worst act in history. the Japs had no intention of surrender. So, they wanna play the hard way, we gave it to them. they surrendered. End of story. In case you havent heard, war is hell, junior. Until you realize this concept, youll never understand anything.

Europe kileld over 100 million people in two wars. Dont see how thats more moral than nuking 250 thousand. the US has done many horrid things, but the a-bomb was not one of them. if you stuck up Eurotrash had discovered it before us, you would have used it with no qualms, seeing how you basically opened up modern chemical and bio horrors with world war 1. farmers in france still get blown up from unearthing old shells by accident. Even to this day, the rot and stink of your pass atrocities lingers in the air.

And dont tell me about Gulf War syndrome, I have contracted it, and have seen others with the same illness. 1000's have not died from it, we linger on with erratic and unexlainable symptoms raging from insanity and metal illness to digestive, kidney, blood, and breathing problems, as well as sleep disorders. The govornment denys it.what else is news? Duhh. Im sure your gov just announces everything.

Dont go bashing the US until you clean out that rotting closet in Europe. You point out our failings, yet your own continent is mired in garbage and corruption. Work on that before even thinking of crossing the atlantic to attempt houseworl here.

Jakomo the soldiers and civilians of Japan that did not surrender but rather died one way or another, were not on the Mainland, they were on various Islands or in China.

The Mainland would have been a worse hell, more so for the Japs whose technology was horribly out of date.

Chebob I'm not racists against spanish, Spain is a country not a "race".

Skadi, the US, IS a Democracy.

What most don't realize is "Representative Democracy" and "Republic" are the exact SAME thing.

So calling the US a Democracy is ok, calling it a Direct Democracy is wrong, because we have elected officials, and rarely vote directly on issues.

Originally posted by John Nada
I do not think you are always the bad guy you are painted to be, however you have done some very stupid things on this thread.
You continue to call people stupid, moronic, retarded etc. and yet you did not know the difference between an atom bomb and a nuclear bomb. You kept quiet for a while to let this embarrassing mistake blow over and and then you kick in again, referring to certain people as retarded. Isn't you calling somone retarded for being wrong when you were a bit...ermmm...retarded?

Why won't you answer my question Freemason? You wan't people to listen and respect you but you don't even have the balls to admit when you're wrong.
Until you at least answer this you are a hypocrit.

Originally posted by FreeMason
Chebob I'm not racists against spanish, Spain is a country not a "race".

Well, then antisemitism isnt racism either, FM ?

Skadi, the US, IS a Democracy.

Technically that is untrue, FM, the bush administration was appointed by a court, not elected.