James the Lesser: "Ok, we kill 200,000 people with two bombs, we in the wrong. We kill the same amount with napalm and conventional bombs, we
just fighting a war.
Can you somehow not see the moral difference between killing 200,000 civilians with two atomic bombs as opposed to bombing military targets?
"They attacked, they started it, but in the end we finished it trying to save as many lives as possible."
Trying to save as many AMERICAN soldiers lives as possible (and what's to say that Japan would have had to be invaded with ground forces to secure an
unconditional surrender anyway). Not quite a Good Samaritan act.
And let's get something clear...
As far as I know, Pearl Harbor is a MILITARY INSTALLATION. The U.S. stood by and WATCHED as Nazi Germany marched across Europe and slaughtered
everyone they wanted to. They KNEW about concentration camps, the Final Solution, all of it. They were happy that Germany was taking on Russia. But
it took an attack on a US military target for the States to join the war. They only joined in 1941, and only after THEY were attacked directly.
Don't ever equate Pearl Harbor with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
One was an act of war, the other was a war crime.
Thermonuke: "Well simply put, Its the lesser of two evils. Nuke japan, kill 40,000 Japanese (Some who may grow to be soldier, or shoot an invading
US marine int he back of the head) "
200,000, not 40k. And again, what makes you believe that it would have taken an occupying ground force to force Japan to surrender? They were
blockaded and pinned down with conventional weapons anyway. And what makes you think Americans would comprise most of the ground forces? Are you a
History major? Degree in Military Strategies?
"Honestly, Japan deserved it... Diplomats talking peace while hundreds of Japanese planes bomb sleeping americans in pearl harbor. And people
complain that they got bombed?..... "
It's interesting to see you easily justify the deaths of 200k innocents (oh, I forgot, they're furriners). Japanese planes bombed American military
men in Pearl Harbor, not families. Not communities. Not churches and supermarkets and playgrounds.
Here's the casualties of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese sank or heavily damaged 21 ships, destroyed or damaged 323 aircraft, killed 2,388 people and
wounded 1,178. Wanna know how many were non-military? Guess.
"America was sick of losing hundreds of thousands of men to foreign countries."
Where do you get that statistic?
ThePrankMonkey: Yeah, you're right, we weren't alive during that time. But now that we know what happened, isn't it our duty to try and learn
something from it? And not just rah rah rah CNN/Pentagon garbage, but the reality? No matter how tough it is to look at directly, and no matter what
ugliness it may show of ourselves?
The only thing worse than war is someone who's never been in a combat situation and JUSTIFIES or GLORIFIES it. War brings out the depths of human
And here's some Pearl Harbor info for you, for future arguments, care of CBS News.
""Most people don't realize that the first shots fired in the war of the Pacific were by us," Ballard said in an interview. "
"American forces might have had time to prepare for the attack if higher command had heeded the warning from an American ship that discovered tiny
subs trying to enter the harbor and attacked them, undersea explorer Robert Ballard said Thursday. "