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Originally posted by nathraq
Fact is, they attacked us first. We were considered a paper tiger We were screaming for revenge. We obliterated two of their cities. Sent a clear message to everyone else in the world: Back off, or else.
Sept 11, 2001: We were attacked again. We were consideredfat and lazy. We were screaming for revenge. We conquered Afganistan. We conquered Iraq. Sent another message to the world: WE are the supreme force on this planet. Back off, or else.
Originally posted by DeusEx
Could have put it into a harbor, made them watch teh explosion. Could have jsut blockaded them. Just like German civilians were not cupable for the actions of the SS, these civilians were not at fault for what happened in China.
Weapons of mass destruction are the absolute incarnation of man's capacity to destroy. The person who uses them in the incarnation of all that evil.
DE
Originally posted by Tassadar
Alright FM, one of knowledge,
Those were atomic bombs used in Japan. The first nuclear weapon wasn't invented until 1957, and rigorous testing began in the 1960's. A nuclear weapon has never been used on any country in agression or defense, ever, in history.
Here the Difference:
Atomic Weapons - Atomic Fission created after conventional trigger heats atoms to required temperature and then splits them. Two explosions occur.
Nuclear Weapons - Nuclear Fission is achieved when when a small conventional explosion accelerates a neutron and it bombards an atom of say, uranium-238. The Uranium is broken into two other elements such as Barium and Krypton while at least three more neutrons are ejected from the original uranium atom and impact into more atoms of uranium. Again, two explosions occur.
I also must disagree with the general consensus on this thread. If you say that, you could, in theory, say that America deserved 9/11, which, I know, they didn't.
*booooo-booooo* Osama bad.
Tassadar
Originally posted by Satyr
Originally posted by Tassadar
Alright FM, one of knowledge,
Those were atomic bombs used in Japan. The first nuclear weapon wasn't invented until 1957, and rigorous testing began in the 1960's. A nuclear weapon has never been used on any country in agression or defense, ever, in history.
Here the Difference:
Atomic Weapons - Atomic Fission created after conventional trigger heats atoms to required temperature and then splits them. Two explosions occur.
Nuclear Weapons - Nuclear Fission is achieved when when a small conventional explosion accelerates a neutron and it bombards an atom of say, uranium-238. The Uranium is broken into two other elements such as Barium and Krypton while at least three more neutrons are ejected from the original uranium atom and impact into more atoms of uranium. Again, two explosions occur.
I also must disagree with the general consensus on this thread. If you say that, you could, in theory, say that America deserved 9/11, which, I know, they didn't.
*booooo-booooo* Osama bad.
Tassadar
I've already been through this argument with someone a long time ago. I was also saying that nukes and atomic bombs are two different things. Well, they're not. They're both considered nukes. The process may be a bit different, but they are still nukes.
exactly...japanese didnt go bombing american cities
Jap Balloon Blew Up
Near Tacoma Feb. 28;
One Found Near Orting
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Japan's weird balloon-bomb attacks on North America, during which at least 228 balloons or bombing devices landed in the United States, Canada and Mexico, dwindled sharply in the three months before Japan surrendered.
Now that censorship has been lifted it can be revealed that on Feb. 27, a balloon exploded in the air near Goldendale, Wash., and the next day another blew up in the air 10 miles northwest of Tacoma.
Another one of the balloons landed on a farm between Puyallup and Orting on March 3. Investigating officers were sworn to secrecy at the time of the discovery and the farmer who notified them of his find did not confirm until Thursday his suspicions of it being a Jap balloon.
Land on Mt. Rainier
It was also reported that five or six of the balloons were found in the Mount Rainier park area, but no damage was done.
Another one of the balloons landed on telephone wires at Keyport, near Bremerton. An FBI demolition squad was called after telephone linemen cut down the missile.
It was learned that one of the balloons hit a military objective but no damage was done. The balloon landed on the runway at Paine field, an army airfield at Everett.
The Tacoma office of the state patrol was the "funneling" point for reports of discovery of the balloons. All reports received were then referred to the army and the FBI.
Do you *really* think there is difference for me? No one of those is my native tongue.
Originally posted by IgnoranceDenied
Quick question.. What would you rather be speaking? German, Japanese, or English?
About the two nuclear devices used over Japan, you had an alternative: bombing in a not populated zone of Japan. Just the vision of the atomic explosion would have caused them to surrender.
Originally posted by Shoktek
hah...yoda I did not know that, thanks for the info...but, little bombs flying around is nowhere near an atomic bomb which our country tested and knew it would obliterate the entire city. We are the only country who has used such a devastating weapon against civilians in order to make a statement...
do you have any idea what would of hapened if we didnt use those weapons?
the allies would invade the main islands of japan. thousands of soldiers would of been killed in the initial attack.
then you have hundres of civilians comitting suicide. oh yes the japanese did that when we got colse to their home son other islands. they just threw themslevs off of cliffs. theres this one pice of footage of a mother throwing her baby off a cliff then jumping off her self. now imagin if a whole country did that.
when dealing with fanatics you have to make a choice like this. 100,000 or 1,000,000 or more lives. what would you chose if you had to chose? the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by Tassadar
Alright FM, one of knowledge,
Those were atomic bombs used in Japan. The first nuclear weapon wasn't invented until 1957, and rigorous testing began in the 1960's. A nuclear weapon has never been used on any country in agression or defense, ever, in history.
Here the Difference:
Atomic Weapons - Atomic Fission created after conventional trigger heats atoms to required temperature and then splits them. Two explosions occur.
Nuclear Weapons - Nuclear Fission is achieved when when a small conventional explosion accelerates a neutron and it bombards an atom of say, uranium-238. The Uranium is broken into two other elements such as Barium and Krypton while at least three more neutrons are ejected from the original uranium atom and impact into more atoms of uranium. Again, two explosions occur.
I also must disagree with the general consensus on this thread. If you say that, you could, in theory, say that America deserved 9/11, which, I know, they didn't.
*booooo-booooo* Osama bad.
Tassadar
Originally posted by JCMinJapan
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being the first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."
---Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy,
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
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Wth this comment, I think he sums it up quite well. It was true...American had beaten down the Japanese and it was clear that t was not going to last too much longer.
Originally posted by Eastern_Diamondback
The did nothing following the firebombing of Tokyo in March of 1945, and nothing between August 6th and August 9th but assess casualties in Hiroshima (70-80%). Our "Magic" intelligence allowed us great insight into Japanese policy and action, and none of it pointed to Japanese willingness to surrender.
Are you privy to the inner working?
Have you heard about the negotiations with the Soviets going bad? It is not working for Japan. It was obvious. But, that s neither here nor there as everything with both governments are kept secret. I also would believe that the Commander has a little more information than you and I have. Think about that.