Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by Forschung
OK, SminkeyPinkey, this is what I am talking about. You completely accept "The Cold War Allied Legend" as Joseph Farrell calls it or as I call it stone-wall denial and minimization.
- *Ahem*
Joseph Farrell author of 'The Giza death star'!?
Wow, height of credibility there matey!
Maybe you can drag in Erich Von Daniken with something to say on this too, hmmm?
Actually I have provided several reputable links on German rocketry, synthetic fuels, computers...... and that German atomic bomb you seem so convinced existed.
(......and I note your passing swiftly along and saying nothing regarding my links about this latest out-break of nonsense showing the acedemic supposedly connected to this story has not actually made claims that Germany ever had or manufactured an A-bomb, no surprises there then, hmmm?)
This alternate idea of the German A-bomb is most hilarious.
(a tiny form no-one else could manage to perfect post WW2 - ie with the greatest national effort(s) and resources both financial and material in several of the world's richest countires (sometimes acting in cooperation) the like of which WW2 German science could only have dreamed of - for a few decades!
Most hilariously......dropped by an Me 109!
.....and all this supposition and "maybes" just because an unidentifed picture of an Me109 carrying an unusual 'store' on the centreline rack has, allegedly, turned up.
Wow, some 'evidence' and some 'proof'!
I hear the bottom being strenuously raked out of the bottom of barrels and the gullible being parted from their money by a new book!
I thank God none of you guys, so desparate to believe this stuff, work in the criminal justice system, the level of 'evidence' and 'proof' you guys require to prove something to your satisfaction is quite funny.......but I suspect it only really applies - for some reason - to WW2 German stuff, right?
The Me 109; possibly the most unsuitable heavy load carrying fighter in Germany's airforce.
If you want to tallk of what was ready "from the get go" to carry much heavier loads - faster, better armed and more survivably thanks to no liquid cooled engine - then a Focke Wulf FW190G (or F version) would have been far more suited as it could carry - from the get go - a 1800KG bomb!
A Ju87 Stuka would by early 1945 have been cut to pieces by almost anything allied it encountered.)
But, of course, this is absolute rubbish.
There was no German A-bomb, big or tiny.
Not one serious credible shred of evidence exists for it no matter how many "maybes", "mights" and "possibly" the authors - or you - use to cover a total lack of any serious evidence......as is typical with many of these 'theories'.
How about a test? I will list some things always denied by the "authorities" and you tell me which of these is a part of your personal belief system
- What for, you will simply deny any and all reputable sources and claim your obscure German books - or people like Farrell - prove all?
I have already demonstrated the ease with which information can be obtained freely on all these issues (without even bothering with the vast array of UFO-logy).
Hardly down-playing, covering up nor denying.....which was your original claim.
I might also say that there is a deeply suspicious side to all of this.
How come it has taken until 60yrs have gone by for all these German sources to come forward......and how come the eastern ones have waited so long until after the wall came down?
"Some very old guy said" on it's own is hardly much of a basis for establishing much is it, hmmm?
1. A-10 rocket (a reality, not a paper project)
- ......and yet (even if we go along with this fantasy) it took Von Braun et al almost 12yrs+ with the most lavish funding and material resources to design, create and perfect anything with staging and the range of the proposed A10.
I'd love to know who says the A10 was a tangible reality.......cos people like Von Braun certainly never did.
Can you show us an example of one completed, hmmm?
Of course not.
2. Just simple types of German saucers which actually flew--the Habemohl saucer for example.
- You enjoy the world of UFO-logy all you like, I have no interest in it at all.
3. Simple German "free-energy" devices, such as the Hans Coler devices.
- The day I see this stuff demonstrated on any sort of scale and in public by reputable and internationally accredited and respected physicists is the day I start thinking much about those quirky little ideas.
(oh and you'll also find the net full of stuff about it/them......again, no sign of the down-playing, denying or covering up going on there.)
.....failing that, I suggest you go out into the world and make a fortune, "free energy" (especially clean free energy is something the world is crying out for) you'd make millions!
4. Motorstoppmittel (means to stop engines) the weapon by which the Germans proposed to halt all ignition based engines within a certain radius.
- What is so advanced about this?
"Stop sand" to clog engines spread by a handgrenade!?
Another way conceived to fight the armor with hand grenades was the use of a Motorstopmittel ("engine stop agent"). A handgrenade was filled with fine powder - Stopsand - that was to be sucked into the tank's engine. It was obvious that the weapon would be useless if appropriate air intake filters were installed on the tanks.
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5. German rail guns.
- Everyone has been interested in railguns at one time or another.
Without super-conducting they are not feasible on any real scale (as the mag-lift train projects - once again using the best and latest knowledge and lavish materials and financial resourcing - all around the world post WW2 show very clearly.)
Tell me which you think are frauds and we can talk about them.
- There is a difference between a project genuinely looking at a topic back then and the wild claims that have been later made for such 'projects'.
Especially those claims made by those who have gotten very rich picking over the unusual and obscure from Germany back then.
The first has nothing to do with 'fraud', the second (like much of the 'amazing German secret weapons of WW2' industry stretches the truth so ludicrously that that does, IMO, become fraud.
Show an example of any German project 'covered up'. There isn't one.
There have been litterally hundreds (if not thousands) of books going on and on and on and on about this supposedly amazing and staggeringly advanced nazi tech - much of it in fact an interesting blend of old traditional skills and the - then - emergent new.
(Go look at a sectioned V2 or Me 262 etc to see what I mean, wooden parts sitting along side the - then- advanced electrical.)
The claims that this is all just a stone-wall cover-up flies in the face of reality.
The museums of the victorious allies are full of examples of WW2 German tech; there were - in the UK at least - exhibitions and travelling shows immeadiately post war showing what was captured, including the rockets and jets.
Why show off that 'advanced' stuff and hide others?
.......and if such a cover-up existed why would the USSR in particular (cos they must have been party to it too as they would have known all or most of the 'true story' thanks to what they captured) help hide this manipulative 'plot'?
Surely they would have been quick to expose the falsehood of western claims of 'freedom' and 'truth' to cause the western public to have no confidence in their obviously manipulative governments?
It makes no sense at all......and once again beyond the theorising there is not the slightest shred of evidence in support of it.
But you carry on believing what you want to believe.
Life's too short to be dwelling too long on the ridiculous wild claims and crumbling old relics of a deservedly failed poisonous ideology.
[edit on 13-6-2005 by sminkeypinkey]
You want a Hans Coler device built and tested for you? Guess what, the British did that. Evidently, you didn't get on your favorite research device, the internet, and google "Hans Coler". If you did you would have found the British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee report posted there and you would have read their test results. Not only theirs but the test results of Dr. W.O. Schumann and Dr. Froelich whose analysis the British also included in their report. But, you might try Dr. Hans Nieper, 1985, Conversion of Gravity Field Energy Revolution in Technology, Medicine and Society. On or near page 132 is a picture of a reconstructed type1 Coler device which worked and had constant electric tension.
Incidently, Rogue 1, this is the basic text book for aether theory. This is a translation from German which is available at any large library. You must read ever word, though, and re-read it. This is the source Europeans go to first when inquiring about this subject.
"Fraud", re-read what I posted about U-234 and its contents. That's FRAUD!
Motorstopmittel has nothing to do with your link about Panzerfaust or anthing to do with sand. You still haven't contacted Rogue 1 about references in Farrell's book, have you. OK. Motorstopmittel was named and described to all the US spy agencies, US military, US National Archives. They all came back "no record". The actual physical mechanism was described under appeal. Still "no record". Then we found the United States Strategic Air Forces in Europe Office of the Director of Intelligence "An Evaluation Of German Capabilities in 1945" (written in 1944). There they name Motorstopmittel, "Magnetic Wave". Not only that, THEY described its workings!!! Now we had them. We hit them with both barrels and got all the underlying reports on this device including hand-written notes of field agents. The mechanism is simple but evidently takes some power. It is all radio frequency technology which sends the same signal as received from the target's spark plugs (radio frequency signal--electromagnetic signal). The device simply receives and amplifies it and sends it back. If within range, every metal part on the aircraft acts as an antennea and the distributor (magneto) fails. It was real, it worked within limited range, and the US goverment suppressed knowledge of it.
Rail Guns (by this time I guess you know you are in big trouble Smikeypinkey!) NO the Germans didn't need superconductors to build rail guns and they did build rail guns. This has been known for 50 years. Go to the big library near you and get a copy of Rudolf Lusar's Die deutschen Waffen und Geheimwaffen des 2 Weltkrieges und ihre Weiterentwicklung" (The German weapons and secret weapons of the SecondWorld war and their further development). This is also available in English and is commonly found in University libraries. Go to page 215, 1964 German edition or "Electric Guns" or "Electric Cannons" in the English edition. There you will find that the Germans made two working versions of these anti-aircraft weapons and tested them. Of course, that is not good enough for us, is it Smikeypinkey? So, with a little work, we find: "Ein Beitrag zm Problem des Elektrischen Geschutets" by Dr. Joachim Haensler of the Gesellschaft fuer Geraetebau m.b.H. which was written in June, 1945 for the Americans describing the math, design and practical problems involved in this technology. The energy requirements were detailed including how many generators of a particular wattage, the losses due to conduction, etc. the resistance of the projectiles due to inductance, the inductance of the generators in the vicinity and other miuntia. But then we have another work of Dr. Haenlser's written during the war, marked "Geheime Kommandosache", same company, in even more detail about the anti-aircraft uses (spot defense) and the use to launch large rockets using this technology on tracks which must have been over a mile long. These were on the drawing boards but the rail guns themselves were working technology. There are many drawing included, even the projectiles. But you can see a projectile of what must be a small version in a published book by Harald Faith: "1945 - Thuerigens Manhattan Project", page 104, which I also remember seeing in Joseph Farrell's book, right Rogue1?
You know, Smikeypinkey, these are obscure sources, as you say and complain about, but this is an obscure subject and one filled with intensional government suppression. Another way to phrase your complaint would be to simply admit that you don't know what you are talking about. That way, you don't sound so learned, but you have covered your ass.
