Originally posted by cargo
They are not anti-war. They are anti-Iraq War. Hell, a lot of us you label as Tulipwalkers are not even "Liberals". I am not anti-war. What makes
you so right and them so wrong? What have you experienced that could make your stance any more righteous than theirs?
Just a few comments on this..
I get accused of being liberal, or whatever, here alot. Y'all have no idea how funny that is to me.
If only you knew...
Edsinger discussed life in the military under the constant threat of the cold war. I know what he was talking about, and he hit a few of the points
that I did. The time at which I served was one of the most extraordinary points in our military history. I joined (at 19) in Aug. 1989 and got out in
All of my views, by '89, were formed from the Carter adminstration on. (Before that I was just a kid who didn't pay attention.) It was the COLD WAR
and it dominated everyone's
psyche - in a way that nothing else ever has, I believe. Carter's time in office was really depressing and
physically unsettling. The nation was in deep suffering, having just recently passed through the Watergate debacle, a series of crises with the
mid-east, and the end of Vietnam War. I think its safe to say, we didn't feel too confident or good about the state of our nation. The Soviet Union
seemed to be making advances that were strategically untenable for us (arms-race-wise). And Carter only made that worse with his "tulipwalking,"
micro-managing self. Ed - if there was ever a tulipwalker
it would be Carter. And he was Navy, no less.
Go figure. At any rate, it was a
different time and this was a different nation. One on the cusp of an amazing revolution.
Then came the Iranian hostage crisis. Nothing had ever grabbed me like that situation. I think I'm not alone on this. Anyone old enough to watch the
news was probably glued to ABC (mainly), NBC and CBS every evening and night for the entire duration of that awful happening. For over a year. That
episode made Ted Koppel's career, btw. For those of you too young to recall, Nightline
began as special coverage of that event. Then it
morphed into what you know as today. (Koppel's one of thee only network guys that I like. He's an excellent journalist.)
That event galvanized this nation. We were all of one mind for the first time in a VERY long time.
Then came REAGAN. He came riding out of the West and into office like a dream come true. I have never seen such a profound change in our nation as I
did when he became president. How I miss him these days
In short order, our hostages came home and he restored our national faith. As Ed said, he
completely revitalized the U.S. military and made us damn proud once again to serve our nation. He was the best thing that ever happened to the
soldier, the Marine, the Airman and the Sailor. He made our military the most powerful fighting force the world has ever known.
After two terms, he handed the keys over to his second in command, George Herbert Walker Bush. This was near the end of the Cold War, though none of
us knew that.
And I joined that Army.
Back then, you went into the military figuring you'd never see combat. Not like 'Nam, or Korea or WW2. We were always thinking nuke warfare, again,
like Edsinger pointed out. It was bigger, more hideous and abstract. It was Mutual Assured Destruction. Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to Germany and Korea
None of us saw it coming. Not even after Grenada and Panama. You know how young & dumb I was back then? On Christmas leave, 1989, I was at home,
flipping through the channels and there was nothing on.. except for coverage of our Panama invasion. I wasn't even paying attention.
would think, if our troops are invading a country, and I am a member of the 101st Airborne Division, I might be a little concerned. Nope. Not I. I
didn't really worry about those things. As someone else said, my job was to go where they told me to and when, and to do my job.
So, by the time I was in AIT (Advanced Training), I'll never forget sitting in the PX cafeteria one night and the place was buzzing. I mean, it was
electric. I was looking at this picture on the cover of USA Today - of the BERLIN WALL coming down! Y'all who were too young to remember that Cold
War mentality, might not get the gravity of that happening. You know how we're told the War on Terrorism will be never-ending? We all believed in our
souls - all our lives - that the Cold War would only end if/when buttons were pushed. We never thought that wall would come down in a million years.
It was the most unbelievable, miraculous thing that had ever happened in MY life! East Germany was now free! It was tumultuous.
Things were changing....
I arrived at Ft. Campbell, Ky. in Jan. 1990. By July, Saddam invaded Kuwait and I knew deep down in my soul - before we ever got the word - that we
would be going over there to kick his Sunni A double S. And I, and all those I served with, were for it 1000% I have never seen a more hyped up bunch
of soldiers in my life. It was pure energy. (I won't get into the propaganda that was directed at us here. That's another post altogether.)
While we were over there gearing up for Air War, word came that the Soviet Union had collapsed! Again, never in a million years would we have known
that was coming. It was ANOTHER miracle of astronomical proportions. (Thanks especially to: Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul, Poland's Welensa and
By the time we came home, the whole political world had changed - literally overnight. The Cold War was OVER and the drawdown of our forces began
Enter the era of Clinton.
I got out right before he was elected, thank God. I could not stand him. I don't think I could've saluted that man. Especially after the whole
Somalia debacle. Even Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell got out right after Clinton was elected. It was the point at which political
correctness thoroughly infected the military.
I want to make it clear to those of you who see me as some dove on defense. Au Contraire! During the Cold War (before the NeoCons, before the "WoT")
I was a total hawk on national defense. (Seems that term has vanished.) Key term being defense.
If and when this nation truly NEEDS to defend
itself or an ally, I have no problem with war. As I've shared, I went more than willingly to to the Gulf, because I truly believed our national
interests were being threatened and I thought Kuwait was wrongly invaded. I do not support this insane "logic" behind pre-emptive warfare and I did
not support the invasion of Iraq for many, many solid reasons (many of which have been soundly proved).
I do wholeheartedly support the men and women who serve in the Iraq War, though. That is an entirely separate issue.