Originally posted by cargo
Why are you so disrespectful of anti-Iraq War forum members who not only served you and your country but did so in a combat zone...an actual
war...under actual threat?
Disrespectful? Well let me see. One, a man whom I dont care for a whole lot but is the commnader in chief of our nation that was attacked after a 10
year warning cycle in which nothing was done :
LINK TO THE REASONS WE ARE IN IRAQ
I do not mean to degrade anyone, but as a nation we need to be united. Many here think that the US CAUSED 911. So naturally I think there are many
'kooks' here, but that being said, the "Tulipwalker' mentality with such hatred of our CiC causes more division and therefore plays into thine
enemy's hand. If you anti-war folks keep it up, maybe you will win and we will come home not having finished the job. And I seriously feel that when
you help the enemy achieve its goals, that you are unnecessarily causing American and Iraqi deaths. That is why I do not think someone who loves their
country could knowingly do this.
Originally posted by cargoTheir experiences may have helped form their opinions about why this war is wrong, yet you are so damning of
those opinions. Having never seen actual combat yourself, you should be willing to acknowledge the sacrifice made by walking into a combat zone and
respect their views about this current war.
I do not disrespect their service one single bit. I find it hard to believe that they can speak as they do when their brothers are still being shot
at. As for combat, well I guess not, the Cold War was not scary now was it? Live combat surely has a feeling that I guess I haven't experienced.
Would you feel better if I had? Well if I had, we ALL wouldn't be here, we would have been a pile of radioactive ash. I did my job as did any other
soldier, but aiding and a bedding an enemy is a big time no no and I get sick of it.
I can respect that the Gulf War was rough, but let me tell you something that I have heard first hand from my very close friends that did go.
The Air Force guy - yeah when the Scuds might be coming to Bahrain he might have been spooked.
The Three Army guys, well without names I noticed something. One in particular refused to talk about it for the most part. But he would get mad as
hell when one of the others would 'claim' all the rough things they saw and heard and smelled. His comment was very simple, he being in a managerial
position decided more than once to drive the damn fuel truck up to the Apache's and ride by the many DEAD, while some sat back at the base and played
POKER. So I learned something, I grew up with these guys for years and although I do not think any less of them, I realize that combat affects some
people differently than others. This one in particular has more balls than I will ever have. I still keep in touch with these guys, only one is
against the Iraq war, but this is the same one that before leaving for Saudi Arabia for Gulf War 1 was on the local TV station saying " I don't
think we should be going, its all for oil anyway". So at least he is consistant. Republican by the way ....
Originally posted by cargoBut no. You label them Tulipwalkers who hate their country. Hate their country? I dare say they have done more
for you by risking their lives to defend you than you did for them. I think you know this too, and I would hope that
you felt some shame about using the words against them that you do.
And I would disagree. For one the Tulipwalker is a labeling of a bunch of ideologies that they happen to fit in. Deal with it, they call me a right
wing wacko and coward because I never saw combat. Well #, that is a damn joke and a bad one at that. So all the troops who served during the Cold War
don't count as much as those who saw combat in Panama or the Gulf?
BULL#. Tell that to the Marines in Lebanon, to those that were lost in operations that we can't even speak of. Like I said, if war came, my life
expectancy was in hours and maybe days...the whole group was. In Iraq is that the case?
What I can not say is what it is like to have a 14 year old child shooting at me, or a car driving up that might have a bomb in it. I can not say i
have seen that because I haven't. But have you ever thought that you had a nuclear tipped missile heading to your ship? It is a different time and a
Am I sorry for calling it as I see it? Nope, not one damn bit. Do I respect them that they served, well hell yes I do. Do I feel that they should
support the war? Not really, that is their decision and they have the right to think as they wish. Do I think they should not cross the line that puts
their brethren in more danger this very day to gain some brownie points on some Internet discussion group? Hell no I dont. That is my problem with
Originally posted by cargoThey are not anti-war. They are anti-Iraq War. Hell, a lot of us you label as Tulipwalkers are not even
"Liberals". I am not anti-war. What makes you so right and them so wrong? What have you experienced that could make your stance any more righteous
Well as I pointed out many times, I do believe the "IRAQ" war was necessary and why. Does that make me right? No it doesn't. But while my neighbor
is putting his life on the line to do as his country demands, I will at least hold the respect and not say thing that can cause them harm.
I can not compare you anti-war folks to Jane Fonda, but there are similarities. Ask the Vietnam vets how they felt about the protesters back home.
What did it do to their morale? Just think about that a bit the next time you say that its only for war, we don't need to be there, its Bushie
wanting to grab the Middle East and every other wacko reason that I have heard. Iraq was necessary, be it Iran or Saudi Arabia, you folks STILL would
not have wanted it. We ALL hate war, but being part of mankind makes it a part of our existence.
Originally posted by KidfingerEd, I must admit, I fully expected that if you show up, you would show up with the usual sarcasm.
That was a well written piece on your experiences, however I still dont think the fundamental questions this thread addresses have been answered.
I feel I have answered them in the best way I can without being banned. Kidfinger - this nation is at WAR. When you went, you had 100% support from
your homeland and your country. All I ask, is consider that when posting anti-war items and things of that nature. It gets back to the troops and
causes a big problem with morale. As you well know when morale is bad, people make mistakes and people die......
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