Originally posted by uhoh
I don't believe in zero-point energy, because it violates the three laws of thermodynamics. You can't get something for nothing.

Bullocks and a missconception (and in case of debunkers, simply a big fat lie) about ZPE and vacuum energy .

You don't get something from nothing, you get something from something, this being energy from the universal energy field present everywere around us, which is scientific fact, both trough theory and experimental evidence, lookup the casimir effect.

There are any number of over unity or zpg that are locked up
in patents that will not be used.

I don't know if any Tesla patents disappeared but I heard of patents
that are secret to secure use only by the military.

The Dr Moray device is still being worked on and can explode if
the load is removed.
The device is similar to electricity from isotopes or ionizing air so
I wonder how safe those are.

I still say vibrations from earth or in the sea might be devised to
generate electricity. And wonder if Tesla already made the device.

Working with plasma might be explosive as with the Papp designs.
Working with a turbine in a less explosive mode and in the Tesla
VTOL patent should power even the elusive UFO or electric car.

Where do you get something for nothing?
Lets start with that zero.

Now a piece of isotope or Radium will cost you something.
But what do you get.
An ionizing agent.
It creates charges.
Once charges are created then force from + and - exists.
The separation by a permanent magnetic field and an electric
field will build up a battery charge.

This is way more substantial than a static accumulation of 15kv to
30kv from a AD Moore device that has little power.

The radioactive or artificial isotope generators are current generators
like Dr Moray had and I assume that there are many of these around.
I would call them ZPE generators.

They tend to over charge batteries and cause explosions and the
gases generated can be stored but might also explode.

Focusing Cosmic particles may have been achieved as I have
seen solid hemispheres of metal which in one Tesla patent is
focused on a collection plate/capacitor. Definitely ZPE in unlimited
quantity as Tesla stated and mostl likely has been going on
since the patent.

Originally posted by uhoh
I don't believe in zero-point energy, because it violates the three laws of thermodynamics. You can't get something for nothing.

Zero point is some thing that creates the formation of elements.
Mostly Helium.
This does nothing if you can't use Helium for power.
Helium is used for power in converted car engines by a Mr Papp.
Called the Papp Plasma Engines on youtube.

A radio active element or substance emits the Helium parts which
combine on there own to make Helium.

Tesla devised a way to make Radium that can make Helium.
X rays or other ways can make ordinary substances radio active
and we can have more Helium that way.

Tesla researchers indicate the if Cosmic Rays (which are actually
high speed particles from the universe of Suns) could be blocked
there would be no radioactivity.

Tesla said his death ray was not a ray but a narrow particle gun
to power remote places.

So the creation of Helium must violate all thermodynamic laws.
Running Helium in engines that give pressure from sparks that
allow re formation sounds like a perpetual fuel and must be
attributed to atomic processes and zero point energy.