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The 2003 Columbia Disaster: The Mother of all Omens

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posted on May, 25 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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This event occurred on the first day of the Chinese New Year, February 1, when the Space Shuttle Columbia along with 7 astronauts, one an Israeli, came raining down over the town of Palestine in Texas, the home state of President George Bush.



Among ancient peoples that believed in omens, and wrote extensively on their interpretations were the Chinese. The ancient Chinese believed , and many still do, that there are patterns or fields that essentially form our living universe and that it is possible to tap into these fields to determine the direction of future events. One method established by the ancient Chinese to divine the future was outlined in the "I Ching" or "Book of Changes". The principal premise of the book is that our future reality is mostly predetermined by the patterns that emerge from a universal but hidden ground and that it is possible to predict what will happen in the future by understanding the varied synchronicities that our minds experience from time to time. The Columbia fell over Palestine on February 1, 2003, the first day of the Chinese New Year, a day held by the Chinese as full of omens.

What did this synchronicity or omen portent? Did it signify that the USA's continued connection with and military aid to the Zionist State of Israel will ultimately bring destruction of the nation as the Columbia was destroyed? There is no question that the Zionist occupation of Palestine facilitated by billions of dollars in USA military aid has and continues to devastate the Palestinian people. The World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist attacks are consequences of the USA's unquestioned propping up of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians. Today, the USA finds itself in a desperate quagmire in Iraq, losing almost daily the lives of American soldiers, all the ultimate result of the nation's support for the apartheid state of Israel. What meaning can we assign to the destruction of the Columbia over Palestine, Texas. The one Israeli aboard the Columbia came down on Palestine like an ominous comet, but it also brought down six American astronauts. Could this be a metaphoric synchronicity of what could happen to the USA as a whole, or worse could it be a sign of the impending War of Armageddon?






source:
Caucauhtzin Column

[edit on 25/5/05 by Souljah]




posted on May, 25 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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So the war in Iraq is about Isreal and not oil now...
I see.

What a load of umm....(hooha). All credibility of a this being a credible article was lost when referring to Isreal as the Zionist State of Isreal


People always talk about our support of Isreal being so bad. We support and give billions to many countries around the world. Why isn't our support of those countries a bad thing?
(btw, we have done more to help the Palestinians than any other country in the world - including all those in the middle east)



posted on May, 25 2005 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
People always talk about our support of Isreal being so bad. We support and give billions to many countries around the world. Why isn't our support of those countries a bad thing?

Yes - could you name a few, that get as much money as Isreal gets?



(btw, we have done more to help the Palestinians than any other country in the world - including all those in the middle east)

With What?

Endless Support of Isreali's constant demolishing of Palestinians homes?

By selling them ultra-high-tech weapon systems to "defend" themselves?

Some FACTS:



- The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

- Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

- No Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 8,043 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

- 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since Septe


The doctrine is explained by General (ret.) Shlomo Gazit, former head of Israeli military intelligence and a senior official of the military administration of the occupied territories. After the collapse of the USSR, he writes,"Israel's main task has not changed at all, and it remains of crucial importance. Its location at the center of the Arab Muslim Middle East predestines Israel to be a devoted guardian of stability in all the countries surrounding it. Its [role] is to protect the existing regimes: to prevent or halt the processes of radicalization and to block the expansion of fundamentalist religious zealotry." To which we may add: performing dirty work that the U.S. is unable to undertake itself because of popular opposition or other costs. The conception has its grim logic. What is remarkable is that advocacy of it should be identified as "support for Israel."

With some translation, Gazit's analysis seems plausible. We have to understand "stability" to mean maintenance of specific forms of domination and control, and easy access to resources and profits. And the phrase "fundamentalist religious zealotry," as noted, is a code word for a particular form of "radical nationalism" that threatens "stability."



posted on May, 25 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Yes - could you name a few, that get as much money as Isreal gets?[/qoute]
Well, Egypt, Russia, Iraq, and Congo all recieve more aid from the US than Isreal. Pakistan gets about as much.


Isreal is also the only country we send aid to who is completely surrounded by countries who want them wiped off the face of the earth.



- The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

- Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

- No Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 8,043 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

- 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since Septe

What does this have to do with anything?
They're not even a country yet (and would never be if the US didn't want them to be).

Show me where any other country has done more than the US to help the Palestinians. That's all I ask.



Sticking on the subject (before this gets moved to PATS):
What does any of what you wrote have to do with the article? An article which is completely ridiculous at best.



posted on May, 25 2005 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Show me where any other country has done more than the US to help the Palestinians. That's all I ask.

Japan gives $100m to Palestinians



Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi announced the gift in Tokyo during a visit by Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.

Japan is one of the biggest supporters of the Palestinian Authority - committing a total of $860m since the Oslo peace accords were signed in 1993.

BBC News



posted on May, 25 2005 @ 09:36 PM
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What meaning can we assign to the destruction of the Columbia over Palestine, Texas. The one Israeli aboard the Columbia came down on Palestine like an ominous comet, but it also brought down six American astronauts. Could this be a metaphoric synchronicity of what could happen to the USA as a whole, or worse could it be a sign of the impending War of Armageddon?


Smells like HOGWASH to me.
This is some seriously twisted propaganda. The shuttle break up happened near Palestine, but not over it. The more accurate picture shows it breaking up over Franklin. Hmm, maybe it broke up because someone called John Kerry Frankenstein. Get it Franklin...Frankenstein. Can't you see the prophecy unfolding before your eyes.



Palestine is the seat of Anderson County in Texas. Look at the radar image of the shuttle breaking up, and then look at how Anderson County fits into the image. You might also want to view this discussion of multiple Doppler radars picking up shuttle debris. It clearly shows Palestine out of the target area.

I circled the county for you so it's easier for you to find. The red dot in the middle is Palestine. Sorry to disappoint you but that was just a reference point for their story, not the actual point of breakup. The shuttle actually started breaking up over California, Arizona and New Mexico. Well, actually we could say that it was actually in Florida during lift-off. That's when the damage was done. Still no matter how you look at it, Palestine isn't in the picture. Follow the path of the debris, and you'll find the truth.




DENY IGNORANCE !


[edit on 25-5-2005 by dbates]



posted on May, 25 2005 @ 09:41 PM
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Isreal is the next traget.

You make one middle-eastern country a democarcy and the rest will follow.

[edit on 25-5-2005 by White Widow]



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 07:43 AM
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dbates,

Thanks for all the data and pictures.

I understand your point of view.

Still the debris went very Close to the city of Palestine in Texas. I find this to be, the Cruelest Irony of this disaster - its really an omen if you look at it, from diffrent points: it happened on 1st of February (China's new year), most of the trail was over Texas (curret presidents home state), and it was Really close to the city of Palestine - it did not go exactly over it, but I think that people from that city had a pretty nice view of this falling debris.

Sure - it can all be accidental.

But I dont think so...







posted on May, 26 2005 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
it was Really close to the city of Palestine

It looks to me like it totally missed the city. If it had
been an 'omen' ... it would have crashed in the town
square in the middle of Palestine, not missed it completely.

Even then, it would have just been a shuttle accident that
happened because environmentally friendly insulation foam
hit the shuttle wing on take off causing a fatal flaw.

So perhaps the 'omen' is that the environmentally friendly
people really aren't environmentally friendly since the shuttle
accident messed up the environment. The environmentally
friendly people are really deadly according to the 'omen'. Silly huh?



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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It landed near/in Palestine simply because that's part of the straight-line path to Kennedy Space Center. When picking orbital reentry paths, Mission Control did NOT sit around and go, "okay... so let's see... what are the most OMINOUS towns we could put the re-entry path on so that when we decide to trash a shuttle for the fun of it, we can plunk the debris down some place OMINOUS?

(Forgive me if I sound a bit touchy, here... we were at a funeral in West Texas when the accident occurred and flew home over fields where pieces of the debris fell (from Odessa to Dallas) and saw the fires started by the pieces that had fallen. Yes, there were parts that fell off elsewhere during the final fall. And some of my colleagues who work for city governments were out there doing the locating of the parts.)

Debris rained all across Texas. Some of it landed in Plano, in fact. There was quite a bit of it around Harmony (which is too small to support a search team), and Bulah and and Montalba and and Massey Creek and Weeping Mary (there really IS a town with that name) and a lot of other towns that were named 50 years or more before NASA's organization.

It's not like Palestine-the-town is a target in the middle of thousands of miles of wilderness. It just happens to be the largest town in an area with a lot of tiny 50-200 person townships.

Speaking as a Texan, I agree with the others here -- it's a ridiculous assertion. It was ludicrous the first time it was mentioned in 2003, and it hasn't improved with age.



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 08:46 AM
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I said what country has done more to help, not a little less Souljah.


Also, had the shuttle broken up over Palestine or crashed into Palestine and if all that omen (crap) was true, wouldn't that be a bad omen for the Palestinians?
The shuttle breaking up caused nothing but death and destruction. Had it done that over Paletine, wouldn't that be an bad "omen" of more death and destruction?


Anyway, dbates....great post

Another borderline antisemetic thread bites the dust



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 09:03 AM
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This is not really on topic, but it's about the Columbia break up.

Last week I was watching the Science Channel and the program was on killer lighting and sprite's.

Sprite's are lighting bolts that shoot up toward space, well the day of Columbia's breakup these scientists have a photo of a sprite / Lighting bolt running down Columbia's ion trail and hitting the ship seconds before break up.

The US Military has contracted Scientists here in the states who use computers to listen for Nuclear blasts using sound stations located around the world.

Well these researchers have data of the audio of Columbia's lighting hit and break up.

Like I said, I am off topic, but when I saw this topic on Columbia I wanted to post this, Has anyone heard of this possibility.



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Also, had the shuttle broken up over Palestine or crashed into Palestine and if all that omen (crap) was true, wouldn't that be a bad omen for the Palestinians?

I see you didnt even take time to read the entire article.

Its the Irony of this event, that is somehow misterious: the first time that USA takes an Isreali memeber on board space shuttle Columbia, it does not return safely home. Instead Columbia crashes - on the first day of Chinese New Year, and its debris field is Mainly over the territory of Texas.

But hey - I understand that you "dont want to" take this as a Bad omen for the America and Americans, its pretty logical since most of you are not really superstitious and belive in bad or good omens.

The belief in omens, or supernatural signs of an impending doom, is something most people in contemporary USA no longer believe in, however, many present day cultures around the world still place great reverence on certain clear and manifest synchronicities that they interpret as being warnings or signs from our "living universe" or, by some, as warnings from God. A synchronicity was defined by the renown psychologist and researcher Carl G. Jung as a "meaningful coincidence" of two or more events where something other than the probability of chance is involved. Synchronicities often happen to all of us individually but the Columbia Shuttle disaster on February 1, 2003 was a synchronicity experienced, through modern communications, by the entire world.

Now Palestine suffers from Isreali opression supported by USA and Zionists from all over the World - so why exactly would this disaster be a Bad sign for Palestinians?





[edit on 26/5/05 by Souljah]



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
Debris rained all across Texas. Some of it landed in Plano, in fact. There was quite a bit of it around Harmony (which is too small to support a search team), and Bulah and and Montalba and and Massey Creek and Weeping Mary (there really IS a town with that name) and a lot of other towns that were named 50 years or more before NASA's organization.

For me all these "meaningful coincidence" for not just the facts about debris over Palestine, Texas.

First - the shuttle, named Columbia (the Dove) crashes over the state of Texas, home state of the president of US at that time.

Second - the shuttle contains a member of Isreali Air Force, who is supposed to conduct military experiments for Isreali army.

Third - well, I am surprised that there is a city named Palestine in Texas, but still there were debris found in that city, again confirming the "meaningful coincidence" for the third time.

Now, theres alot of coincidences here, dont you think?

Anyway, I understand your point of view, considering you come from Texas, America, and I dont.



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by SouljahThird - well, I am surprised that there is a city named Palestine in Texas


What do you expect. The state is so big that they had to run out of names eventually. You can find cities named Ding Dong, Big Stinking Creek, Looneyville, and Granny's Neck. All in one state.

You can travel the US without leaving Texas
Atlanta
Boston
Beverly Hills
Miami
New York

Or travel the world
Dublin
Moscow
Ireland
Italy
Paris
Scotland
Waterloo

Even visit the middle east.
Palestine
Jericho
Nazareth
Hebron




[edit on 26-5-2005 by dbates]



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by dbates
What do you expect. The state is so big that they had to run out of names eventually. You can find cities named Ding Dong, Big Stinking Creek, Looneyville, and Granny's Neck. All in one state.



Gezus, now thats a bunch of silly (or scary) names for a city. Especially if it says on your ID card, that you come from Ding Dong, Texas!




Even visit the middle east.
Palestine
Jericho
Nazareth
Hebron

Hey - entire Jerusalem in Texas!

Are these in the same state also?

Again prooving the "meaningful coincidence theory"- why didnt the debris field fall over Jericho, Nazareth or Hebron, but over Palestine, Texas?



posted on May, 26 2005 @ 06:59 PM
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If Palestine had not been in the flight path and debris fell on it, I might be willing to believe, but debris falling along a flight path is just not ominous enough to set off my Whoa! alarm. Since debris fell from CA to TX it sort of diminishes the importance of where it almost fell.



posted on May, 27 2005 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by darkelf
If Palestine had not been in the flight path and debris fell on it, I might be willing to believe, but debris falling along a flight path is just not ominous enough to set off my Whoa! alarm. Since debris fell from CA to TX it sort of diminishes the importance of where it almost fell.

Still - one of the cities along the streak of debris field is also Palestine, Texas.

And it didnt Almost fell - parts of the Columbia DID fall on Palestine, not the entire shuttle.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
the shuttle contains a member of Isreali Air Force, who is
supposed to conduct military experiments for Isreali army.


The only things we saw him do were have chats with Israeli
school children while in space, and we saw him bring out momentos
from a child who died in a Nazi Concentration Camp. He brought
the drawings up that the child did. Drawings of space. He also
brought up a little silver cup (don't know the name of it) that is
used in Jewish worship ceremonies. It was from the Nazi camps
and had been used secretly by the Jews there. He had it floating
around so the children in Israel could see.

Among so many sad things about the tragedy .. this was one more.
He had gone to space and sort of fulfilled the dream of this Jewish
child that had died in the camps and who had drawn pictures of
going into space. He took the little cup with him. He became a
hero in Israel .. giving school children hope for the future and for
their battle weary country. And then he dies so tragically. So sad!



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
He became a hero in Israel .. giving school children hope for the future and for their battle weary country. And then he dies so tragically. So sad!

Well it would have been sad if he wasn't from Isreal, right Souljah?

Since he was from Isreal, it's ok that he died tragically as it's a sign that the glorious Palestinians will gain victory in erasing that evil country Isreal from off the map, right Souljah?




How you, Souljah, or anyone else can believe that (crap) you're posting is beyond me. You have some serious issues.




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