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posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Anyway-No excuses to God now. You have heard the Truth and now you decide with your own life whether to accept Him or not. But this clearly speaks the truth about your Mason Theology of " it's ok to worship any god as long as it's only one."


Do you hear yourself? So you are saying that tolerance of others' religious beliefs is a sin now? If you knew anything about the teachings of Jesus, you would see that it is a principle. The bible is a guideline for Christians. If you want to believe the way you do, fine, that's your choice. But you can't sit there and tell people they are going to hell because they do not share that narrow minded belief. Now I respect your right to believe what you want and to worship how you want, but don't you think it's a little rude to imply that because someone doesn't prescribe to your certain flavor of "Christianity", that they are somehow inferior or less worthy? Good grief, man.

You do realize that the bible was written by men, do you not? It is a teaching tool, a book of parables, precedents; a book of stories, of guidelines, for us to study and learn life's lessons.

You probably won't believe me, but most if not every last one of the lessons in Freemasonry is derived directly from the bible. Jeez, man get a hold of yourself.




*much hateful nonsense removed*

I hope and pray for you brother that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal Himself to you before it's too late.


And I pray the same for you. Sounds like you could use some quality time with Him, learning what He taught.

[edit on 6/2/05 by The Axeman]


To Axeman and sebatwerk-

I am sorry that your own "ideologies and philosophies about life will get you knowhere fast in the Grand Scheme of life. Is it even worth my time to cast pearls before swine ?

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

And to answer your question in reference to: So you are saying that tolerance of others' religious beliefs is a sin now? No GOD did.

Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

does this seem like God is Tolerant of other Religions ? That's not only a verse but a COMMAND-MENT. He does NOT "Tolerate"other Gods nor Religions.

And it's not a principle. God did not design this universe, planet , human beings with souls and everything else in and around it to die on the cross for nothing ? That would seem to defeat the whole purpose of your existance.

Christ died to cover the sins of you and me !

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

"If you knew anything about the teachings of Jesus, you would see that it is a principle. "

As a matter of fact I do know the teachings of Christ. Do you know even one parable of his teachings ? Do you know the background ? Or the context ? It doesn't appear that the both of you are aware of any nor do you understand what it means to be a christian.

NEXT: The bible is a guideline for Christians.

You have got to be kidding a Guideline. What does your and my God say about this ?

Deu 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, [to] the right hand, or [to] the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

He sounds pretty serious to me ! It's NOT a guidline.

If you want to believe the way you do, fine, that's your choice.

Of course it is. It's the only choice we have if we want to enter heavens gates.

1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

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But you can't sit there and tell people they are going to hell because they do not share that narrow minded belief.

1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

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I am not telling you anything that you shouldn't already know if you are christians. And why do you continue to belittle me with the comment (narrow minded belief ? ) There is but one way only !

Would you like me to respond for you:

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Now I respect your right to believe what you want and to worship how you want, but don't you think it's a little rude to imply that because someone doesn't prescribe to your certain flavor of "Christianity", that they are somehow inferior or less worthy? Good grief, man.

Flavor of Christianity ? There is no flavor- God is very specific about this too.

"They" are not inferior or less worthy, just lost.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

"You do realize that the bible was written by men, do you not?"

As a matter of fact I do. That's what makes it all the more valid, the fact that it was written over thousands of years by different people at different times in different places. Yet by some strange reason every single prophecy that God himslef predicted in the Old Testament came true through Jesus Christ in the New Testament ? Around 300 I believe. There are a lot more corelations than just prophesy.

It is a teaching tool, a book of parables, precedents; a book of stories, of guidelines, for us to study and learn life's lessons.

Redundent -We already covered this:

Deu 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, [to] the right hand, or [to] the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

"You probably won't believe me, but most if not every last one of the lessons in Freemasonry is derived directly from the bible. Jeez, man get a hold of yourself."

That Doesn't make it Christian ? The answer to that is NO.

Satan has come to deceive the world in anyway possible. That's why we have cults like Freemasonry, Morminism ect..........................................

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many

Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any [man] deceive you:

Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

So anyway- I am not here to condemn you. God had already condemed the entire world from the start by giving us FREE WILL.


That's the whole reason for having a Jesus- He was the atonement for all of our sins. You and me both.

If we chose to follow Him.

So with that, once again I have backed up everything through scripture to answer all of your questions in relation to the Bible, Christianity, Salvation, Deception ect...... in Gods Words not mine.

So again if you would like to discuss Freemasonry and the Occult or Christianity for that matter PLEASE !! Do not be-little me and put me down. I am knowledgeable in BOTH.

If you do not want to discuss that's fine. Then don't get upset and reply with sarcasm ?

As far as the last comment by seba about me being a fundementalist " If being serious about trying to live like Christ did and follow His words and be a good example to others and trying not to sin ( Because that is what a christian is )

Then yes I am guilty of being a Fundementalist.

It's funny when people are serious about any subject. They research it study it, and poor there heart and lives into it and try to live it. Especially if it involves Chritianity they are suddenly labeled a Fundementalist.

Well- I have never stood on a corner yelling and preaching nor have I stood in front of an abortion clinic picketing nor put down gays for their views or any other radical way of dealing with religious ( Not Christian ) issues. I have never believed in that sort of thing. Why ? because that's not the nature of Jesus and he wouldn't approach these issues this way.

I am guilty however of trying to be the best christian possible. It's not easy and God never said it would be easy. And part of being a christian is standing up for the word of God and Truth. If someone is going to preach blasphemy I will confront him, as a christian that is my duty.

Now to Axeman- If you want to get involved that's fime but you should know how this all got started:

Seba started slamming me personally and Christianity as well as telling lies about Freemasonry !
And with that I called his bluff and actually replied to his slander and lies. So if you want to jump in on this and support a lying slanderer than that is your option. But it wouldn't say too much for your own character.

So again if you would like to discuss Freemasonry and the Occult or Christianity for that matter PLEASE !! Do not be-little me and put me down. I am knowledgeable in BOTH.

If you do not want to discuss that's fine. Then don't get upset and reply with sarcasm ?


Peace be with you always




posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 03:06 AM
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Mr.Truth: Just so you know, I am not even going to bother reading that huge amount of worthless drivel. You are a Fundamentalist who believes that your way is the only way. I truly feel sorry for you, thinking that you must go around pointing this out to everyone. Also, I hope you realize that it is against the terms of service of this forum to insult other users. Calling us "swine" is not very good for your reputation either.

Live and let live.



Seba started slamming me personally and Christianity as well as telling lies about Freemasonry ! And with that I called his bluff and actually replied to his slander and lies. So if you want to jump in on this and support a lying slanderer than that is your option. But it wouldn't say too much for your own character.


WHY MUST YOU LIE??? This all started when you began U2Uing me your fundamentalist propaganda! The only one who has lied about Freemasonry is you. I am a Freemason, I know how my fraternity works. Are you really so foolish as to think that MILLIONS of religious men have been deceived over hundreds of years, and only YOU know the truth? Get over yourself, fundamentalist troll.


[edit on 2-6-2005 by sebatwerk]


Cug

posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere


Well- I have never stood on a corner yelling and preaching nor have I stood in front of an abortion clinic picketing nor put down gays for their views or any other radical way of dealing with religious ( Not Christian ) issues. I have never believed in that sort of thing. Why ? because that's not the nature of Jesus and he wouldn't approach these issues this way.


Respectfully, that is my impression of exactly what your doing here.

The Indy 500 was this weekend, and before the race they had a non-denominational prayer. In a way that is exactly what the Masons do in Lodge. So are you telling me that the 200,000 people in the satands are now at risk of God's wrath?



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Cug
Respectfully, that is my impression of exactly what your doing here.

The Indy 500 was this weekend, and before the race they had a non-denominational prayer. In a way that is exactly what the Masons do in Lodge. So are you telling me that the 200,000 people in the satands are now at risk of God's wrath?


(Emphasis mine)
What a profound typo.


That's exactly right according to this dude.

And yes, I agree Cug, that is exactly what he's doing. I'm thinking of a word... thinking... Oh! Got it! HYPOCRISY. Yes, that's it.

[edit on 6/2/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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Yes, that might be one of the best typo's I've ever seen...


Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by Cug
The Indy 500 was this weekend, and before the race they had a non-denominational prayer. In a way that is exactly what the Masons do in Lodge. So are you telling me that the 200,000 people in the satands are now at risk of God's wrath?


(Emphasis mine)
What a profound typo.





posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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The way I see it, as long as in your heart and mind you are praying to God and Jesus during a non denominational prayer there is no problem.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Skibum
The way I see it, as long as in your heart and mind you are praying to God and Jesus during a non denominational prayer there is no problem.


What if you are praying to Allah in your heart and mind? Jehovah? The golden cow? Aliens?

[edit on 2-6-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 03:57 PM
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It doen't suprise me that you would not read my reply seba. You are to narrow minded and deceivd by the sect that you have joined.

Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.

If by chance you would like me to re-post the start of all this showing that YOU NOT me started the mud throwing against me personally and against christianity THEN I WILL !!!!!!!! just to show that you are IN FACT the inmature antagenizer that started slammimng me first just because I started to ask questions about Masonry.

You dont have to read my reply, but I know that you and other mason will and it will expose your own character and representation of the Freemasons. I am sure that your "so called christian elders" will be absolutley thrilled on how you represent the cult !

I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?

You have decided to turn a deaf ear to this as well as christianity so you are in fact nothing but a pawn in the memebership and have nothing to stand on as a defense for the Free Masons. But you will still beleive what you want. I guess that makes you a Fundementalist Free Mason ! Well, as long as you are happy being a statistic a number in the organization that's cool. That's what they want !

It's Great that numbers of people in an organization does not dictate the strengh of the organization.

It sounds to me that even if I took the time to show you the origins of FreeMasonry and the occult wich you have not taken the time to research for yourself you would still ingore the facts. Why ? Because you feel comfortable sitting in a group of MEN that will accept you as you are with all of your own personal skeletons ! But then again that's the integrity of the people in charge of this cult.

Well- Your cult is dangerous to you personally NOT me ! And if that is the way you have decided to go that's fine with me. If you want to turn your back and go against God that is your option and you have made it very clear this is what you want to do and that's fine too ! You do have FREE WILL. You yourself will be accountable to God one day for all of your actions and beliefs and then the wheat will be seperated from the chaff and away you go.

This is my last reply as I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way. The pagan way NOT GODS way.

I am out of here to start a new thread about the occultic origins and the connections between both the Free Masons and the Occult. So if you would ever like a History lesson to learn about your CULT that derived from the OCCULT then feel free to come on in and learn.

See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on. I do not hold ignorance against people. I hold people to their ignorance.

I wish you Good Luck and Peace in life my Brothers.

Take care of yourselves and eachother.


Peace Out !



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by Skibum
The way I see it, as long as in your heart and mind you are praying to God and Jesus during a non denominational prayer there is no problem.


What if you are praying to Allah in your heart and mind? Jehovah? The golden cow? Aliens?

[edit on 2-6-2005 by sebatwerk]


That would be fine also, the point I was trying to make was that its up to the person who is doing the praying to decide who they are praying to. Sorry for the confusion.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
It doen't suprise me that you would not read my reply seba. You are to narrow minded and deceivd by the sect that you have joined.


I read it, I just chose not to waste my time replying to it.



just to show that you are IN FACT the inmature antagenizer that started slammimng me first just because I started to ask questions about Masonry.


So are you telling me that you DID NOT, in your original u2u to me, tell me that I worship a Pagan God, tell me that I have denied Christ and tell me that I do not know anything about the organization of which I am a member? Go ahead, tell me you didn't say any of that! You began to sling mud first, my fundamentalist friend. And don't give me that crap about "God said it, not me". You u2u'd it to me.



I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?


I am very aware of the History of my organization. All of the Freemasons on this forum can attest to that. Do you REALLY think that you are the only one who knows the TRUTH, and millions of masons over the years had no idea!?!? Get real.



so you are in fact nothing but a pawn in the memebership and have nothing to stand on as a defense for the Free Masons.


Blah blah blah. Your drivel is useless nonsense. Your typical troll tactics are getting boring.



It sounds to me that even if I took the time to show you the origins of FreeMasonry and the occult wich you have not taken the time to research for yourself you would still ingore the facts.


I have taken all the time in the world to research the facts. What you have presented are not facts, simply heresay and fundamentalist speculation. You are not a Freemason, therefore you do not know much about the organization. I AM a mason, and I know what I am talking about. Plain and simple.

It's laughable that you think you know more about an organization than its own members.



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.


Oh wow. You posted something that makes sense. The Truth is actually right in front of you... you're sooooo close.

Learning to type are we? I assume you mean Freemasonry


See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on.

Well done. I'm sure Seb feels a lot better for that. I, in turn forgive you, for being a narrow-minded bigot who does the work of Satan by twisting the word of the Lord and spreading vitriol wherever you go.

And by the way, it's Christian. Keep practicing.

God bless.




[edit on 2-6-2005 by Trinityman]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
...I have never stood on a corner yelling and preaching nor have I stood in front of an abortion clinic picketing nor put down gays for their views or any other radical way of dealing with religious ( Not Christian ) issues. I have never believed in that sort of thing. Why ? because that's not the nature of Jesus and he wouldn't approach these issues this way.


I think you need to take a look at your own words there, chief...


...I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way.


You might let your family in on this statement so they can put you on suicide watch.


[edit on 6/2/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 10:19 PM
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To the Trinity.


Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere

Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.


Oh wow. You posted something that makes sense. The Truth is actually right in front of you... you're sooooo close.


See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on.


Well done. I'm sure Seb feels a lot better for that. I, in turn forgive you, for being a narrow-minded bigot who does the work of Satan by twisting the word of the Lord and spreading vitriol wherever you go.

Thanks brother for standing up for Jesus !

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Psa 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? [or] who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

It's was never intended to make seba feel better ? Why would you ever think that ?

Jesus himsef did not come down to earth to make seba, you or myself FEEL BETTER ? What excatly does this mean ? Where did you ever learn or hear that ? Not in the scriptures.

As far as your statement " the narrow-minded bigot who does the work of Satan by twisting the word of the Lord and spreading vitriol wherever you go. "

Name one thing that I have twisted ?


Obviously you do not know the Word of God either. If you did, you would have never made a statement like this.

Can you ask yourself if any of these scriptures look familair to you as a christian, I think you called yourself ? Correct me if I am wrong ?

Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Anyway, before jumping into something you have no background on as far as Seb's and my original discussion ( and nothing else ) you would see that he was the one being a snivelling bitch and striking back with a vengance. Not me, till he started taking personal shots against me, God and Christianity. If I didn't stand up for any of these what kind of a man would I be ? Not a christian ! I would be like sebatwerk hiding behind his bretheren.

I am not sure why you would condemn anyone that is serious about their walk with God and studies the scripture in it's entirety ? Is this the way christians are supposed to act towards eachother ?

If I point out something in someones life that is causing destruction to their soul it is out of love. God tells us that this is our duty. You being a Christian would know the many scriptures backing this.

Oh- By the way- Yeah you are better at typing than I am. Congrads on your accomplishment !

Peace Out !




posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
It doen't suprise me that you would not read my reply seba. You are to narrow minded and deceivd by the sect that you have joined.

Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.

If by chance you would like me to re-post the start of all this showing that YOU NOT me started the mud throwing against me personally and against christianity THEN I WILL !!!!!!!! just to show that you are IN FACT the inmature antagenizer that started slammimng me first just because I started to ask questions about Masonry.

You dont have to read my reply, but I know that you and other mason will and it will expose your own character and representation of the Freemasons. I am sure that your "so called christian elders" will be absolutley thrilled on how you represent the cult !

I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?

You have decided to turn a deaf ear to this as well as christianity so you are in fact nothing but a pawn in the memebership and have nothing to stand on as a defense for the Free Masons. But you will still beleive what you want. I guess that makes you a Fundementalist Free Mason ! Well, as long as you are happy being a statistic a number in the organization that's cool. That's what they want !

It's Great that numbers of people in an organization does not dictate the strengh of the organization.

It sounds to me that even if I took the time to show you the origins of FreeMasonry and the occult wich you have not taken the time to research for yourself you would still ingore the facts. Why ? Because you feel comfortable sitting in a group of MEN that will accept you as you are with all of your own personal skeletons ! But then again that's the integrity of the people in charge of this cult.

Well- Your cult is dangerous to you personally NOT me ! And if that is the way you have decided to go that's fine with me. If you want to turn your back and go against God that is your option and you have made it very clear this is what you want to do and that's fine too ! You do have FREE WILL. You yourself will be accountable to God one day for all of your actions and beliefs and then the wheat will be seperated from the chaff and away you go.

This is my last reply as I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way. The pagan way NOT GODS way.

I am out of here to start a new thread about the occultic origins and the connections between both the Free Masons and the Occult. So if you would ever like a History lesson to learn about your CULT that derived from the OCCULT then feel free to come on in and learn.

See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on. I do not hold ignorance against people. I hold people to their ignorance.

I wish you Good Luck and Peace in life my Brothers.

Take care of yourselves and eachother.


Peace Out !


WOW this guy has some serious misguided issues. he just sounds very angry to me. Buddy if you would ever like to talk, just let me know i'm alway here to listen.



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
*snip*

Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.


You're right Freemasonry doesn't offer salvation (eternal life), forgiveness of sins, and all the other things related to religion....because guess what It's not a religion.

But you are wrong in saying that because we are Freemasons and practice religious tollerence we will not have eternal life.

So my friend in my opinion you are comparing apples to oranges.



I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?


Are you aware of the history of Christiananity? Aware of it's pagan origins? Are you aware that a MAN chose what books made it into what is the Bible as we know it today? Are you aware of how many wars thoughout history were fought over religion?

It's mentalities like the one you are showing here that started the Crusades, Jihads and such.




This is my last reply as I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way. The pagan way NOT GODS way.


That is too bad really. Because if you would listen to what people are saying then maybe you would realize that .....wait hrmm "only see things one way"......hrmm that about says it all right there....




See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on. I do not hold ignorance against people. I hold people to their ignorance.


You and I both......I just don't judge people and condem them to eternal damnation because they don't believe the same way I do. That's not my job...seems like God said that he will be the one to judge not us.


from www.bible.com KJV
Luke 6:37 - Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven





I wish you Good Luck and Peace in life my Brothers.

Take care of yourselves and eachother.

Peace Out !


You too.



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Name one thing that I have twisted ?


Obviously you do not know the Word of God either. If you did, you would have never made a statement like this.


Mr. truth (notice i spelled truth with a small-cap "t"), I have an idea. Let's get to the fundamental issue of your issue against Freemasons: what makes you believe that christian masons don't worship God and have rejected Christ? Don't give me the BS about "I didnt say that, God did" because:;

1. The Bible was written by man
2. God never said anything about Freemasonry. He simply said that we are not to worhip false gods.

So please explain, why on God's green Earth do you think that I, as a Christian mason, don't worship a Christian God and have rejected Christ?



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 07:00 PM
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Hey Guys,

I have been thinking about our conversations and they really bother me. I do not like to argue and throw stones, call names etc........ I actually came over to this discussion to learn more about Masonry on a personal level, talking and sharing with members, but when I brought something up, I got the door slammed and got attacked. I in return got defensive as well and then it just got totally out of hand.

Anyway-I sincerely regret on my part, any wrong doing and would like to ask for your forgivness. I am truly sorry and I apologize for any personal attacks against anyone. I need to learn how to stay on target on the theme not the person.

Take Care-I am out of here !



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Hey Guys,

I have been thinking about our conversations and they really bother me. I do not like to argue and throw stones, call names etc........ I actually came over to this discussion to learn more about Masonry on a personal level, talking and sharing with members, but when I brought something up, I got the door slammed and got attacked. I in return got defensive as well and then it just got totally out of hand.

Anyway-I sincerely regret on my part, any wrong doing and would like to ask for your forgivness. I am truly sorry and I apologize for any personal attacks against anyone. I need to learn how to stay on target on the theme not the person.

Take Care-I am out of here !


Apology accepted.

Now can you explain to me, without quoting scripture, just why it is you think Masonry is so bad, and why you believe that your way to worship your God is the only way? I mean you have basically said that anyone who does not accept your God (the Christian God -- I am a Christian, BTW, or should I say I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in my day to day life? That makes me Christian, right?) is going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Why?



posted on Jun, 4 2005 @ 05:09 PM
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Hey Axeman,

I hope that we can discuss in an adult matter and ask questions back and forth etc....... And if we disagree that's fine. Lets get our points of understanding and misunderstanding out in the open, not take it personally and go from there.

If we disagree- Then lets agree to disagree ! OK ?

Also as we go along lets remind people that we are not here to slam eachother but to learn about our differences whether right or wrong ? in ones opinions.

One last thing, I have lost part of my eyesite do to an hereditary eye disease. So if my spelling or typing skills are not always up to par, you understand. Thanks

Lets stay on track, keep the focus and we can begin. If things get to heavy from time to time or we need to research something to get an answer that's fine. I want us to be able to back up what we are saying.

Let me know if you agree or would like to add to the agreement.

Thanks,
Truth.



posted on Jun, 4 2005 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Hey Axeman,

Let me know if you agree or would like to add to the agreement.

Thanks,
Truth.


Sounds good to me... Soooooooo...


Originally posted by The Axeman
Now can you explain to me, without quoting scripture, just why it is you think Masonry is so bad, and why you believe that your way to worship your God is the only way? I mean you have basically said that anyone who does not accept your God (the Christian God -- I am a Christian, BTW, or should I say I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in my day to day life? That makes me Christian, right?) is going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Why?




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