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reply posted on 1-6-2005 @ 02:28 AM by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Actually if you would like to talk about me why don't you tell the truth !

I was not sending you Christian Fundamentallist propaganda as you call it.

I was tring to have a discussion with you when you refused or just couldn't answer any of my questions because of your own lack of knowledge of the brotherhood.

So what did you do because you wouldn't answer my questions ?

You suddenly developed an aggressive tone and started putting down christianity ? Why ?

Because you were in unfamilair territory and didn't have the answers ! Why couldn't you have just said you will supply me with some facts at a later time instead of making a drawn out squabble.

And By the way- If you worship ANY OTHER GOD you are a pagan ! Not a Christian. Please do not ever call yourslef a christian again. It gives me a bad name !


And you wonder why I refuse to discuss your topics with you! Look at your claims, and then ask yourself if ANYONE would want to discuss ANYTHING with someone who has already made their mind up as to what they are dicussing. No, they wouldn't.

You can try attributing it to a lack of understanding of Freemasonry on my part, which is unlikely considering I am a very well-studied mason, or you can come to terms with the fact that you are a fundamentalist who has a sick and twisted view of an organization he knows nothing about.

And I did not put down Christianity, I put down fundamentalists such as yourself. Don't misquote me, and don't pretend to know ANYTHING about me, got it?

And it is YOU who gives Christians a bad name. Please do not call yourself a Christian, call yourself what you are: a fundamentalist.


reply posted on 1-6-2005 @ 02:30 AM by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Trinityman
Please do not ever call yourslef a christian again. It gives me a bad name !

Why would he not call himself a Christian? He has mentioned several times that he is Christian. What is he doing that you so object to?

Are you implying that freemasons worship more than one God? Or that there is a masonic God?

No. No. No. You would do well to read some of the threads on this topic. Like
www.abovetopsecret.com...


That's exactly right, he thinks Freemasons worshp a pagan God, and therefore can never be true Christians. He has repeated his claim via U2U that we have continually denied Christ with our "blood oaths" and we therefore cannot be true Christians. How do you argue with someone like that? You cannot argue logically with someone who does not think logically. This is why I refused to discuss his claims.


reply posted on 1-6-2005 @ 11:09 PM by Truthisoutthere
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Trinityman
Please do not ever call yourslef a christian again. It gives me a bad name !

Why would he not call himself a Christian? He has mentioned several times that he is Christian. What is he doing that you so object to?

Are you implying that freemasons worship more than one God? Or that there is a masonic God?

No. No. No. You would do well to read some of the threads on this topic. Like
www.abovetopsecret.com...


That's exactly right, he thinks Freemasons worshp a pagan God, and therefore can never be true Christians. He has repeated his claim via U2U that we have continually denied Christ with our "blood oaths" and we therefore cannot be true Christians. How do you argue with someone like that? You cannot argue logically with someone who does not think logically. This is why I refused to discuss his claims.



NO- It doesn't matter what I think- It's what God said Himself !

Is that to hard of a concept for you to understand ? It's in Black and White whether you want to accept it or not. Just like the wind- We have know clue as to it's beginnings or it's destination yet IT IS here whether we like it or not.

If you cannot accept this because you do not have the knowledge of Gods Word or you just flat out have are rebellious heart and spirit towards God it doesn't matter !!!

Example: If you are driving in another state and you happen to be driving over the speed limit and get pulled over and you tell the officer " I didn't Know the speed limit ?" Does that make it alright and you should get a free pass and no ticket ? Is that what you are going to tell God someday ? I am sorry but I chose to ingnore Your words and I was unaware therfore I should get a pass into heaven ?

So sorry - It doesn't work that way. God is very specific in His words about having other Gods before Him !

Examples from the King James Version:

Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Jdg 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.

Jer 44:5 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods.

Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:

Exd 23:13 And in all [things] that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

Exd 23:13 And in all [things] that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

Exd 23:13 And in all [things] that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

Lev 19:4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I [am] the LORD your God.

2Ki 17:12 For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing.

If you would like it in either greek or hebrew I can give you that as well if you come up with the excuse that's it's no the true translation or something
like that.

Anyway-No excuses to God now. You have heard the Truth and now you decide with your own life whether to accept Him or not. But this clearly speaks the truth about your Mason Theology of " it's ok to worship any god as long as it's only one."

I guess your so called brotherhood doesn't give a crao about you after all !
They don't give a crap about you nor your soul. As a matter of fact they are sucking you into that cult with occultic beginnings like I tried sharing with you. But then again you decide to believe the Mason way NOT Gods way without even knowing the (TRUE) history of the Freemasonry.

I hope and pray for you brother that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal Himself to you before it's too late.

Peace




reply posted on 2-6-2005 @ 12:14 AM by The Axeman
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Anyway-No excuses to God now. You have heard the Truth and now you decide with your own life whether to accept Him or not. But this clearly speaks the truth about your Mason Theology of " it's ok to worship any god as long as it's only one."


Do you hear yourself? So you are saying that tolerance of others' religious beliefs is a sin now? If you knew anything about the teachings of Jesus, you would see that it is a principle. The bible is a guideline for Christians. If you want to believe the way you do, fine, that's your choice. But you can't sit there and tell people they are going to hell because they do not share that narrow minded belief. Now I respect your right to believe what you want and to worship how you want, but don't you think it's a little rude to imply that because someone doesn't prescribe to your certain flavor of "Christianity", that they are somehow inferior or less worthy? Good grief, man.

You do realize that the bible was written by men, do you not? It is a teaching tool, a book of parables, precedents; a book of stories, of guidelines, for us to study and learn life's lessons.

You probably won't believe me, but most if not every last one of the lessons in Freemasonry is derived directly from the bible. Jeez, man get a hold of yourself.



*much hateful nonsense removed*

I hope and pray for you brother that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal Himself to you before it's too late.


And I pray the same for you. Sounds like you could use some quality time with Him, learning what He taught.

[edit on 6/2/05 by The Axeman]



reply posted on 2-6-2005 @ 12:15 AM by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
NO- It doesn't matter what I think- It's what God said Himself !

Is that to hard of a concept for you to understand ? It's in Black and White whether you want to accept it or not. Just like the wind- We have know clue as to it's beginnings or it's destination yet IT IS here whether we like it or not.


You think the quotes above apply to Freemasonry only because you don't understand it. This is EXACTLY why I am telling you that it is YOU who is attributing those quotes to Freemasonry, not God. They do not apply, and you are VERY mistaken as to what Freemasonry and what Freemasonry does.


Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Jdg 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.

Jer 44:5 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods.

Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:


You just dont get it, do you!?!?!? MASONS are Christians and Jews and Muslims, etc etc etc JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE!!! Learn something about Freemasonry hbefore posting fundamentalist crap like that above!!! Your drivel is so absolutely useless that it makes me furious!!!

Who the hell ARE YOU to tell me who I am or am not worshipping?!?!? You are a NOBODY, and SHAME ON YOU for having this holier than thou attitude, you pathetic, sorry-ass fundamentalist troll!



reply posted on 2-6-2005 @ 12:19 AM by sebatwerk
Sorry guys, but I GOTTA do it. Truthisoutthere is a Troll!!!



I almost certainly risk a warning for doing this, but I dont care. Someone needs to tell this guy off. He's a fundamentalist nut-job.



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