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"Masonic" Handshakes and Other Nonsense...

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posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 09:31 PM
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round and around the merry go round we go ........ one argument is displaced for the exact same argument two pages later in the same thread .... around and around we go ..... different page different antagonist..... around and around we go .....




posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by mrfixit
round and around the merry go round we go ........ one argument is displaced for the exact same argument two pages later in the same thread .... around and around we go ..... different page different antagonist..... around and around we go .....


And such is life on the Secret Societies forum of ATS


Btw TIOT, dh, et al.......if Mason's are so "non-christian" please explain the Westboro Baptist Church www.godhatesamerica.com... and why they choose to protest at fallen hero's funerals...
...(which I had the unfortunate opportunity to recently witness)......these people sound and act like *real* Christians...not like us fake Masonic Christians......


(sorry I know the last part was kind of like a rant...please fogive me...or just chaulk it up under the "other nonsense" part of the topic)

[edit on 22-6-2005 by Golfie]

[edit on 22-6-2005 by Golfie]



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Golfie
Btw TIOT, dh, et al.......if Mason's are so "non-christian" please explain the Westboro Baptist Church www.godhatesamerica.com... and why they choose to protest at fallen hero's funerals...
...(which I had the unfortunate opportunity to recently witness)......these people sound and act like *real* Christians...not like us fake Masonic Christians......


I actually felt ill after only looking at the first page of that site...

Now THAT, dh, is complete and utter crap. Absolutley disgusting.


[edit on 6/22/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by dh
This is not think territory
This is know
The evidence is very hard to find because its occult or hidden

If its occultic and hidden, then you most certianly can't 'know' it. 'Knowing' its wrong in that way only means that you fear it, suspect it, and that you stick with that fear of the unknown and look for things that make you uncomfortable to reinforce it. When in reality, you can't know anything about it, because you're not in it. Its inaccessible to you.

Some non-masons help me here I know, as do many others

We are the 'profane', the uninitiated, we have not a clue as to what happens, or more importantly, what it means. We can talk about the members of the lodege taking the initiate, having him 'die', and be 'reborn' to much ululation and the shouting of a IAACHUS or any other secrt word, and we can say 'that sounds satanic (actually, sounds more christian, like jonah in the whale, or noah comming out of the ark)', but we aren't part of it so we don't know.

Its like a hindu, looking at christians say 'here's jesus's body' and then gobbling it down, and then 'here's his blood' and then drinking it, and figuring, 'heck, they're a cannibal cult.' Well, they're not.

And why should masonry matter at all? If a man is saved, being a mason won't change that, no?


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by dh
This is not think territory
This is know
The evidence is very hard to find because its occult or hidden

If its occultic and hidden, then you most certianly can't 'know' it. 'Knowing' its wrong in that way only means that you fear it, suspect it, and that you stick with that fear of the unknown and look for things that make you uncomfortable to reinforce it. When in reality, you can't know anything about it, because you're not in it. Its inaccessible to you.

Some non-masons help me here I know, as do many others

We are the 'profane', the uninitiated, we have not a clue as to what happens, or more importantly, what it means. We can talk about the members of the lodege taking the initiate, having him 'die', and be 'reborn' to much ululation and the shouting of a IAACHUS or any other secrt word, and we can say 'that sounds satanic (actually, sounds more christian, like jonah in the whale, or noah comming out of the ark)', but we aren't part of it so we don't know.

Its like a hindu, looking at christians say 'here's jesus's body' and then gobbling it down, and then 'here's his blood' and then drinking it, and figuring, 'heck, they're a cannibal cult.' Well, they're not.

And why should masonry matter at all? If a man is saved, being a mason won't change that, no?


Masonry matters because it is infiltrated from the top down - it has a controlling role
It is occult because it has something to hide from the dumb mass
Knowing's easy - it's drawing all the clues given out and integrating them, and then seeing the modus operandi , and you know what's going on, you don't just have an opinion. For example, watching 9/11 live on the TV I knew this was an inside job, and the visuals of the tower collapses was conclusive. I didn't need any further evidence to know this was the truth.
Many others knew this too, which launched the search by many investigators to search for the mountain of evidence now built up
Knowing's intuitive too - we know everything in that 95% "useless" part of our brains and our DNA - it's the autistic savant's thing
Fear is the part that keeps you out of knowledge of the occult's realm and immersed in the little man's telly-world
The relinquishment of fear is the thing that gives you a hold of the bigger picture
You can see the SOBs' manouevres


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by Golfie
Btw TIOT, dh, et al.......if Mason's are so "non-christian" please explain the Westboro Baptist Church www.godhatesamerica.com... and why they choose to protest at fallen hero's funerals...
...(which I had the unfortunate opportunity to recently witness)......these people sound and act like *real* Christians...not like us fake Masonic Christians......


I actually felt ill after only looking at the first page of that site...

Now THAT, dh, is complete and utter crap. Absolutley disgusting.


[edit on 6/22/05 by The Axeman]

I agree actually - I hope you're not trying to associate me with pornographic sites



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by dh

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by Golfie
Btw TIOT, dh, et al.......if Mason's are so "non-christian" please explain the Westboro Baptist Church www.godhatesamerica.com... and why they choose to protest at fallen hero's funerals...
...(which I had the unfortunate opportunity to recently witness)......these people sound and act like *real* Christians...not like us fake Masonic Christians......


I actually felt ill after only looking at the first page of that site...

Now THAT, dh, is complete and utter crap. Absolutley disgusting.


[edit on 6/22/05 by The Axeman]

I agree actually - I hope you're not trying to associate me with pornographic sites


Absolutely not....The whole point of that post was to show how hypocritical and extreme fundamentalist religous groups can be. This (I hope) is an isolated case. But it does happen. People are quick to cast aspersions against Masonry especially from the religous fundamentalist side.....but sometimes they need to look at themselves first before making accusations.

We can look at that site and see how "off-the-wall" some of the claims are because the majority would look at it and know it's bunk. But hypothetically if they had a www.godhatesfreemasons.com site and approached it with the same type rhetoric....how many would then call it bunk?

The point being...just because a religous group makes a certain claim and passes it off as being "the word of God" doesn't make it right....and this was just a sick example.

I in no way meant to imply that anyone on this forum is associated with this group......



[edit on 23-6-2005 by Golfie]


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:13 PM
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All quotes exised to avoid being hit for excessive quoting by the moderator yet again
No, Golfie mate, that wasn't aimed at you



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by dh
Masonry matters because it is infiltrated from the top down - it has a controlling role


That's very peculiar to hear, particularly because Freemasonry has NO "top" and all members are absolutely equal unless serving as Master of a lodge. This is one of the landmarks of Freemasonry, one of the things that makes the organization masonic:



Landmark #22 :
The equality of all Freemasons is another Landmark of the Order. This equality has not reference to any subversion of those graduations of rank which have been instituted by the usages of society. The monarch, the nobleman and the common laborer are all equal within Freemasonry.




Knowing's easy - it's drawing all the clues given out and integrating them, and then seeing the modus operandi , and you know what's going on, you don't just have an opinion.


Why would ANY secret organization post CLUES of its deeds and actions for people anywhere to decipher?!? That makes no sense! To think that the Illuminati or Freemasons hid clues in a dollar bill is absurd, you are seeing things for yourself, and making them out to be something they are not. That's called paranoia.



For example, watching 9/11 live on the TV I knew this was an inside job...


Paranoia... Yes, of course. The US Government killed its own people in order to be able to pass the Patriot Act, right? Again, that makes no sense whatsoever, tons of measures that infringe on our rights have been passed without murder being carried out.



I didn't need any further evidence to know this was the truth.


Apparently you never require evidence to claim something as truth. If something makes a good story, it's good enough for you to believe it as fact. I wonder how young you are. I hope you never become a judge. Assumptions and circumstance are not conclusive pieces of evidence. They do not make something true and therefore this claim cannot be used as evidence for other claims. Yet, this is a VERY popular tactic among conspiracy theorists.

But we critical thinkers need something a little more solid than pure heresay and speculation to convince us. We who seek to Deny Ignorance try our hardest to analyze everything logically and rationally, as any intelligent person would. I'm not saying you're not intelligent, but you are extremely ignorant. You are the epitome of ignorant.


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:34 PM
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No quotes to avoid the overquote marauder

Masonry is the most perfect example of a hierarchical top down society in existence
Why dissemble with fraternity type nonsense - Robespierre bring it on -
I'm pretty old to tell the truth - I regret the fact that in my younger days - for a moment accepting this passage through life con - that I didn't pick up on the fact that the governers of our society are cold controlling psychopaths of another nature, and one of the ways they nurture the fear of populaces is by the creation of fraternities bonded to one another and manipulating their small deals in minor imitation of the big bosses big deals
Like tie-wearing became the universal subjugates imitation of the big man's adoption of the symbol of the cable tow
Oh- pathetic dumb-worshipping celebrity obsessed dumbassed little man
Break free

PS I was a little late censoring the quote, kl, Hope you haven't caught me already


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[edit on 23-6-2005 by dh]



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by dh

No quotes to avoid the overquote marauder



PS I was a little late censoring the quote, kl, Hope you haven't caught me already
Break free


2 things:

1: get over it, you learned a lesson on how we operate here.


Oh- pathetic dumb-worshipping celebrity obsessed dumbassed little man


2: A little chilling might be in order.



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by dh
Masonry is the most perfect example of a hierarchical top down society in existence


This statement alone shows that you know NOTHING about Freemasonry. There is no reason to proceed any further with discussion, since it's obvious that you haven't a clue as to what Freemasonry really is, you believe the myth and the fantasy but have never done any research or analysis on your own. You're a gullible sucker, and David Icke and Jack Schick are laughing to death right now, amazed that they can actually get people like you to believe their garbage.



Oh- pathetic dumb-worshipping celebrity obsessed dumbassed little man


Do you always insult people when they back you into a corner during discussions? Are you unable to have a mature, grown-up discussion? Apparently not, since you can't even manage to understand what is evidence and what is just assumption. You're a smart dude :shk:


[edit on 23-6-2005 by sebatwerk]


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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I'm quite chilled - I offer no reference to those posting here
They've all taken the break from TV hypnosis to post awhile in here, whatever their motives
So no offense and all respect to those in here. If I seem a little aggressive, it's heartfelt and aimed at no-one in particular - except where it is - see below - then I have the right to make it personal with those who make it personal - right?
Just an outpouring
Hope you appreciate
I know the people I'm talking about - I work with them daily

[edit on 23-6-2005 by dh]

[edit on 23-6-2005 by dh]


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 05:51 PM
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Well, what can I say Sebatwork. You're spinning a fat lie
I respect your enthusiasm for the cause. I do it myself often though to be truthful it can often fade as fast
Commitment's a great thing
Don't let it delude you
And I was only taking the example of widespread tie- wearing as an instance

[edit on 23-6-2005 by dh]


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk


Why would ANY secret organization post CLUES of its deeds and actions for people anywhere to decipher?!? That makes no sense! To think that the Illuminati or Freemasons hid clues in a dollar bill is absurd, you are seeing things for yourself, and making them out to be something they are not. That's called paranoia.



They love it - it's a grand part of the controlling game
They're equivalent to the flasher
They want to put it all over and see if anyone figures it
It's in plain view
Until people started to latch on in their hundreds and thousands, the easiest place to hide intent



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by dh

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Why would ANY secret organization post CLUES of its deeds and actions for people anywhere to decipher?!? That makes no sense! To think that the Illuminati or Freemasons hid clues in a dollar bill is absurd, you are seeing things for yourself, and making them out to be something they are not. That's called paranoia.


They love it - it's a grand part of the controlling game
They're equivalent to the flasher
They want to put it all over and see if anyone figures it
It's in plain view
Until people started to latch on in their hundreds and thousands, the easiest place to hide intent


So now your an expert on psychology of a group of people that you don't even know exists? You're out of your mind. You don't even know WHO you're talking about, you have NO IDEA what they do or why they do it. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PURE SPECULATION ON YOUR PART! YOUR MAKING THIS STUFF UP!!! You don't know ANY of this!!! I hope you realize how absurd and silly it is to think that you could possibly know any of this.

And that's all besides the fact that what you claim makes no sense whatsoever! An organization as efficient, intelligent an crafty as the Illuminati supposedly is would not make a mistake stupid enough to get them caught. You're in a corner dude, pulling stuff out of your butt to try to save face. Admit that you don't know the Illuminati exists.


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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Sorry - Sebatwek - I know this to have some approximation to truth
You're the one who's either in denial or controlled or employed
I can toy with ideas - you hate my toying
Why? It gets too near how it is?



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by dh
Sorry - Sebatwek - I know this to have some approximation to truth
You're the one who's either in denial or controlled or employed
I can toy with ideas - you hate my toying
Why? It gets too near how it is?


Your senseless ramblings don't disturb me one bit. They make me laugh, they are funny. It's comical to see someone so absolutely sure of something which they can produce absolutely NO evidence for. It shows how absolutely ignorant and gullible you are.


[edit on 23-6-2005 by sebatwerk]


dh

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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Well, sure, I don't have the ranks and priviliges you have by the sweat of your brow
I couldn't know because I haven't accepted your guides, fellowship, fraternity
I can't possibly know and can only spew crap
Cos I haven't had your education
Danke Gott
Superior to the common herd, for sure

[edit on 23-6-2005 by dh]



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by dh
Well, sure, I don't have the ranks and priviliges you have by the sweat of your brow
I couldn't know because I haven't accepted your guides, fellowship, fraternity


Actually you don't know because you have no evidence or proof, and no facts to back up your claims. My masonic affiliation has nothing to do with your ignorance, and the fact that you can't distinguish from that only serves to further show your feeble method of discussion.



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