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Originally posted by mrfixit
I wondered how long Truth would appear to be interested in actually learning what Freemasonry was all about before he failed to resist the temptation to toot his own horn. He claims to be a Biblical Scholar but I doubt Truth could name all the Seven Deadly Sins without looking it .....
It's a teetotal waste of time and energy.
That's my 2 pennies .....
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Unfortuently it is a waste of time. I have presented truth with sources of backing in regards to every point that I have made. If you are unwilling or incabale of understranding the truth put before you, then there is nothing more that I can do.
The Word of God is very clear ! There is no two ways about it !
If you are a christian and have fallen for the deceit within the lodge it is nobody's fault but your own ! You have the sciptures in front of you. God commands us as christians to test the spirits. You have just decided to ignore that part.
Good luck with your personal journey of "becoming a better man " Sound Familiar. It's the premise of all your teachings withing the masonic church that goes against the teachings of Christ !
Originally posted by lashlarue
"grand hailing sign of distress?"
____________________________
Which brings me to this obvious conclusion.....Freemasonry has infiltrated
the ranks of professional football, as this is the signal/sign that signifies a
successful field goal attempt in the NFL!!!....Talk yer way out of that one
Seb................
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
It’s ok for a Christian to pray to his own God while others pray to their own god. Not True-False Again !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
SEBA- You can call this a waste of time if you wish. But the fact that I am a Christian, I have tried to take my time to point out the conflicts between Masonry and your own personal walk with God so that you will not be separated from GOD. This was the topic at hand. Every time that I brought something specific up, you reluctantly backed out and refused to answer the questions ? I know why. It is very obvious to me and other Christians abroad.
It’s not a religion ? False- 1.) Freemasonry is a Religion-Proven through the definitions
provided through the Websters Dictionary. 2.) It is also a cult- Proven through the definitions provided through the Websters Dictionary. 3.) All the basic origins of the teachings of Masonry are nothing but lies. Even the Masonic Bible has been tampered with, added too and taken away from: All signs of Herecy !
Freemasonry tells us to worship “A” Supreme Being which doesn’t go against the Christian God. NOT TRUE-False !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
It's a very good thing your two cents doesn't mean anything !
BY the way-Your insults mean absolutley nothing to me and other members. It just shows your lack of knowledge and ignorance about the subject !
I never said I was a bible scholar so please don't lie about something I never said.
You my friend are way to quick to judge.
Unfortuently it is a waste of time. I have presented truth with sources of backing in regards to every point that I have made. If you are unwilling or incabale of understranding the truth put before you, then there is nothing more that I can do.
The Word of God is very clear ! There is no two ways about it !
If you are a christian and have fallen for the deceit within the lodge it is nobody's fault but your own ! You have the sciptures in front of you. God commands us as christians to test the spirits. You have just decided to ignore that part.
Just remember- Ignorance is NO EXCUSE is Gods eyes.
Good luck with your personal journey of "becoming a better man " Sound Familiar. It's the premise of all your teachings withing the masonic church that goes against the teachings of Christ !
Truth
Originally posted by RebelSaint
To any Mason on this board, I offer one word of dispute in terms of religious compatibility with Masonary. It is the worship of a diety known as "Jahbulon" completely documented and admitted by known high level freemasons. A quick google search on the word reveals much as does entire documentaries on the subject. Here's a start:
www.freemasonrywatch.org...
The God of the Hebrews is not the same God of Freemasonry "Jahbulon"
from: www.freemasonrywatch.org...
Knight explains JAH-BUL-ON as follows: Jah (or Jahweh) is identified as the God of the Hebrews, Bul (or Baal) as the Canaanite fertility God and On as the Egyptian god Osiris. He quotes Albert Pike (1883) as saying, "No man or body of men can make me accept as a sacred word, in part composed of the name of an accursed and beastly heathen god, whose name has been for more than two thousand years an appellation of the Devil."(Ibid., pp. 236 f).
The Church of England echoed Knight's contentions with the headline, "Aspects of Masonic ritual condemned as blasphemous." (Church Times, London: G. J. Palmer & Sons, No. 6488, p. 1). The working group appointed to study Freemasonry for the General Synod concluded, inter alia, "that JAHBULON, the name or description of God which appears in all the rituals is blasphemous."Ibid.
They contended that the name of God must not be taken in vain or combined with those of pagan deities. Their data and conclusions are both mistaken, but they do suggest an area for careful appraisal by Royal Arch Masons. The principal objections, by Biblical and historical standards, to our present practice in Royal Arch Masonry are set forth below.
1. Matters of Fact: The ritual states that Jah, Bel and On are the name of Deity in Syriac, Chaldean and Egyptian. This is not true. It would be more accurate to say that Jah, Bel and On are thought to be the names of Syriac, Chaldean and Egyptian gods, but even this conclusion is inaccurate, as described below.
a. Syriac: There is no evidence to suggest that Syriac existed at the time of the rebuilding of the Temple. Syriac is an Aramaic dialect used in Edessa (north of Mesopotamia and a sometime Crusader dominion) and in western Mesopotamia. "It was similar to, but not identical with, the Aramaic dialect used in Palestine during the time of Jesus and his apostles." (The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, New York: Abingdon Press, 1962, Vol. 4, p. 754a).
The earliest written Syriac, fragments of the New Testament, dates from the 2nd Century A.D., the earliest Syriac Old Testament was written in the 3rd Century A.D.) In contrast with Syriac, the use of Aramaic as a colloquial language was acquired by Jewish exiles and would have been widely known at the time of rebuilding the Temple. Nehemiah 8:8,
"So they read in the book of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading," may refer to an Aramaic paraphrase of the Hebrew Scriptures. (Ibid., Vol. 4, p. 749a.) "Jah" does not appear in the Bible except as a prefix or suffix, is the preliterary name of God used by the southern Hebrew tribes, and at the time of the rebuilding of the Temple the term was well-established as a Hebrew abbreviation of the name of the Covenant Deity. It is not the name of Deity in the Syriac language.
b. Chaldee: The once powerful Babylonian Empire had been crushed by the time of the rebuilding of the Temple. The survivors were called Chaldeans. In the Chaldean language, Bel or Baal, from the Akkadian root belu, means "he who possesses, subdues or rules," and always refers to Marduk, the state-god of Babylon. Bel is the Mesopotamian equivalent of the Canaanitish God, Baal, the principal god of the indigenous Palestinians at the time of rebuilding the Temple. Because of its bitter religious and social connotations, Bel cannot have been used to refer to Deity by our Companions who rebuilt the Temple.(Videibid., Vol. 1, p. 376.; Cf. B. Davidson, Analytic Hebrew andChaldee Lexicon, London: Samuel Bagster, n.d., 1963, p. 85.)
c. Egyptian: The use of On in our ritual is probably based on Genesis 41:45, 50 and 46:20 which refer to Asenath, wife of Joseph and daughter of Potipherah, "priest of On." Apparently, the author or authors of the ritual understood the "On" in these passages to refer to an Egyptian god, On. Instead, On, in Egyptian, means Sun.
The Egyptians did not call the Sun god On. In the Old Kingdom Re was the sun god. In later syncretism, the term was Amon-Re. A major effort at monotheism was made, about 1375 B.C., by Pharaoh Amen-hotep IV, who changed his name to Akh-en-Aton and concentrated worship in Aton, the sun disc. The failure of the effort is reflected by the change of the name of Pharaoh Tut-ankh-Aton to Tut-ankh-Amon.
In the Biblical passages quoted, "On" is a place name, an Egyptian city whose better known Greek name is Heliopolis. The less familiar Hebrew equivalent is Beth-shemesh.However, it is important to note that in the Septuagint, the translation (285-245 B.C.) of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek, the Tetragrammaton of Exodus 3:14 is translated into a Greek word pronounced "ha own.
"This Greek word can be literally translated, "Being," and itself gives scope to much interesting interpretation.2. Historical Setting: At the rebuilding of the Temple, which we commemorate in the Royal Arch degree, the strife between Israel and her neighbors was intense. This fact is commemorated in the ritual of Cryptic Masonry where, based on Nehemiah 4:13-22, the builders of Zerubbabel's Temple are described as using a sword for defense and a trowel for construction. It is inconceivable that our ancient Companions would have engaged in a ceremony using the words, Jah, Bel and On, however innocent such practice might seem in our enlightened age.
To a large degree, the Old Testament, especially the writings of the Prophets, is a history of the conflict to keep the identity and worship of God clearly defined and free from contamination with pagan contamination. The Prophets made the choice clear. On one hand was (and is) the unseen monotheistic God of Israel (honored in the Shema, "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord...,"Deuteronomy 6:4.) and whose name was too holy to be pronounced.
Opposing were the pagan gods, tangible, fabricated and dominated by their human creators and transported like baggage.Isaiah 46. Isaiah reminds us, "Remember this and consider, recall it to mind, you transgressors, remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is none like me...."46:8,9. Without doubt, the use of Jah-Bel-On would have been far more offensive to our ancient Brothers and Companions at the rebuilding of the Temple than it may be to our present critics. In a word, they would have been horrified.
...At the time of rebuilding the Temple, the conflict between the Companions who worshiped Yahweh and the worshipers of Baal was, at best, intermittent warfare.Our ancient Companions, who rebuilt the Temple and whom we seek to emulate, could not be comfortable with our ritual. Similarly, the Companions of the Grand Chapter of England have eliminated all references to pagan deities from their ritual. Let us see if the critics of Freemasonry respond with equivalent understanding, tolerance and consideration.
Originally posted by RebelSaint
The God of the Hebrews is not the same God of Freemasonry "Jahbulon"
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by RebelSaint
The God of the Hebrews is not the same God of Freemasonry "Jahbulon"
Axeman pretty much explained it all, and tore your claim to shreds. Please think something through before you simply read something on a website with an agenda and decide to post it here like its big news. And one lats thing:
THERE IS NO "GOD OF FREEMASONRY"!!! FREEMASONS WORSHIP THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL GODS!
Originally posted by senrak
...now where's that dead horse....I'm sure we're going to beat it some more, although I can't for the life of me figure out why any of us are wasting our time on these uninformable, unteachable, clowns... [shrug]