During the economic boom of the 90's, the U.S.A was also advancing in other spheres, namely science, secularism and politics.
We were advancing in "politics"? Is this some sort of code for "national politics was moving in a way of which RedDragon approved"?
And are you saying that we were "advancing in secularism" because there were more non-religionists in the news? How is that an "advance"?
However, in the recent years of the economic decline, the entire process has reversed itself.
When you say "economic decline" are you implying that there has been a decrease in the GDP between 1990 and 2005?
In 1990 we were running a 4.2% budget deficit. After a peak in 2000, we are again running a 4.2% budget deficit. (
The GDP was $7.112 trillion in 1990; it was $10.390 trillion in 2003 (adjusted for inflation, i.e., 2000 dollars). (
Are you saying that personal, family, or household income has declined, even in constant-year dollars? I suggest you look at
and attempt to get some factual data.
And even if we were in an economic bust -- which we're not -- how do you see a correlation between such economic problems and the rise of a religious
outlook in the United States?
Science is recieving [sic] a lack of funding and to rub it in, conservative leaders are literally forbidding the progress of American science
with the nation's laws and courts. It is no wonder then, that Asian countries such as South Korea are siezing [sic] the future of bio-medical
technologies with advancements in stem cells that would be illegal in the United States.
I certainly wouldn't argue that; it is the influence of the American religionists which obviate against stem cell research, and this is, in my
opinion, a Bad Thing Indeed. But....
It is no wonder then, that European countries are siezing [sic] the future of physics and engineering with advancements in particle
acceleration technologies that aren't adaquately [sic] funded in the United States.
And you're attempting to correlate the cut in our national R&D with a resurgence in faith in the United States? Hardly. Part of the reason that our
R&D budget is suffering is the ever-increasing "entitlement" programs already legislated and untouchable -- an agenda which seems to have the full
backing of the "progressives" in this country. What would you have us cut, Red Dragon? Do I sense an agenda here?
Throughout history, technological decline has almost always been accompanied by a decline in secularism and a rise in religion.
And during the outlawing of religion in the late unlamented Soviet Union we saw such "technological advances" as Lysenkoism!
Now is no exception. It is cool again to be Christian in the United States and if you are an atheist you are shunned and generally made an
object of ridicule. I know this from experience.
You're saying you get the same treatment that the Jesus Freaks used to get? And you don't think that Jesus Freaks still get hoo-rawed on a regular
Aside from biased observations, that notion is supported also by financial data: sales of religious clothing and music have boomed and church
attendance has grown dramatically.
So people are spending more money on religious clothes, more Christian music is heard, and more people are going to church? I still don't see any
correlation between an increased religiosity and all the bad things you decry.
However, religion growing is not necessarily a bad thing. I believe that people should be free to believe in whatever they want.
Why, Red Dragon, how absolutely ... Christian ... of you!
The bad thing is what the growing religions teach. Tolerant religions have actually experienced a decline in membership despite the general
growth in other churches. Churches like the Roman Catholic Church, which teach intolerance and general hatred torwards [sic] groups like gays are
growing in membership.
Drag, i don't think you understand the role of religion. Religion postulates rules and an absolute morality. Depending on the particular flavor of
religion, the adherents believe that this
is good -- no matter what, and that
is bad -- no matter what.
Any structure that does not
recognize and proselytize some sense of morality (whether or not you and I may agree with it) is not really a
religion at all.
Briefly, people are losing their rights to be human.
My, how dramatic!
... we must look torwards [sic] the future and define ourselves by what we really want to be instead of what we once were.
Drag, the good
news is that such a self-definition is underway as we speak.
news is that it's not happening the way you want it to!
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