Originally posted by akilles
However, the symbolic dove is either shown flying pointed up,, representing the creative (Mother Nature) aspect, while the dove pointed down
represents the destructive balance that is required.
Granted, it can be interpreted either way. However, I think that the history of the usage as a landing dove, and especially in chief_counsellor's
avatar (below for reference) indicates that it is what it is claimed to be, the Holy Spirit descending to the earth.
How a Dove equals a Ghost that is holy, I do not know, and cannot begin to see how it was not borrowed from Pagan Goddess worship
It might very well have been. I don't know of any biblical description of the holy ghost being represented by a dove. And a pretty bird can
certainly be thought of as appealing to goddess worship. Of course, using the dove doesn't mean that one is engaging in goddess worship, not for the
first people to make the dove the symbol, nor especially for the moderns who made up the KofC
well, its because she is known as the Veiled Goddess. Hence all the indirect reference, you see, to Doves, and the District of Columbia, etc.
I really have to insist, the idea that "columbia" in DC or even 'Columbus' ohio is a reference to a goddess "Columbia", who never existed,
instead of christopher columbus, doesn't make sense. Surely
the people who called it that were thinking of Christopher COlumbus, even if
thats a technically incorrect vulgarization of his name, or even if
someone made him change his name to it.
electricity and the New World were not discovered as advertised.
I understand that you are saying that the situation, at least with respect to electricity and columb, doesn't make sense. I mean, are you
suggesting that 'they' knew about electricity, and waited for a guy named Columb to come along and start rearching it and then gave it to him?? Or
are you suggesting something else??
andrew, via cheif
is representative of the descent of the Holy Spirit; much like that during Pentecost.
Fair enough, but I think that the question is why
a dove, rather than any number of reasonable representations. I think that the arguement
that it has something
to do with the 'old goddess', often strongly associated with birds, is decent
, but the exact nature of the
intention is questionable. I mean, the choice of a dove could've been chosen to appeal to the pagan europeans when they were first converted, who'd
recognize it as a powerful symbol of their own, I don't think anyone disputes that that sort
of thing went on (wrt patron saints having
shrines on the spot of pagan gods who were patrons of the very same things, and the like). Of course, it might be as simple as that the dove is a
pretty bird, a spirit is reasonably represented by a flying bird, and the dove is a natural, bening, and pretty enough choice.
have to wonder at the knight of Columbus having a Columbiforme bird as a big symbol of theirs tho. True enouhg, it'd make sense for a
christian group to have this recognized symbol of the holy ghost. But surely the guys who made up the KofC recognized that the dove is a columbiforme
and that had something
to do with choosing it over a cross, or a purple robe, or a crown of thorns or even the arma christae
or any of
their choice of sensible christian symbols.