Why are muslims being targetted as terrorists?

Well, also keep in mind that, if you were looking for terrorists in england no to long ago, you'd be looking for irishmen. I mean, if a bomb went off in heathrow, and peopel were calling in saying 'down with the imperialist occupiers', chances are it was the IRA, and the reasonable thing to to would be to interview any irish in the area of the explosion.

But, obviously, not all irish are terrorists, and similarly not all muslims are terroists.

But, also, keep in mind, the war on terrorism, its against internationalist terrorism, which is almost exclusivinly made up of jihadis and mujahideeners, who are going to be muslims. Doesn't excuse targeting regular muslims, anymore than targeting catholics in england when you are fighting the IRA.

In order to get the populace to hate someone, to be able to want to kill someone, you have to dehumanize them. It's a lot easier when they are different. Compare the WWII posters of the Germans and Japanese. The Germans were just evil white guys. The Japanese were gross exagerations based on racial features. It's easier to hate that way. Who could forget the classic, "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips"?


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Originally posted by infinite
Im not talking about Islamic terrorists who are openly support terrorism, im talking about the normal joes that work 9-5 and help at in the community. Why are innconent muslims being targetted as terrorists? it seems, a stereotypical terrorists is now a muslim nationalists, anyone can be a terrorist.

Whats this about the Holy Qur'an being accused as being a tool of terrorists? its a holy book, not a how to guide on terrorism, as you can tell this sort of thing gets to me. I really dont understand how normal muslims are being targetted, what have they done wrong? they pay taxes like you and me, they help out in the community and they are respectly people, like you and me, why target them?

Dont give me "well, its islamic terrorists" because thats bull, if you read the Qur'an you will see that people who choose bits of the Qur'an to worship, like Islamic Terrorists, are not real muslims. Islamic terrorists has been around for decades, but normal muslims didnt face being targetted cause of it. What has changed?


Good topic by the way !- As a christian myself I think that it's ignorance. We in general don't understand much about the east. their customs, religion, etc....

As you stated some of the musslims-terrorists seek out certain bits of the Quran to worship. So as well as being a holy book- I am not too sure what Holyness has to do with evil and killing for your religous belief as it is said in the Quran. Does that mean you just ommit these areas of the Quran when you read. Who is right ? Can you please educate me on this.

But as you said and I agree. Not all musslims should be thrown into this circle of few radicals. We are all brothers and sisters and should have love and respect for each other.

Any thoughts on how you would handle the situation in the middle east. Or like to see the US handle better ?

Would like to find out more so that I can understand better.

Take it easy brother !

Good topic by the way !- As a christian myself I think that it's ignorance. We in general don't understand much about the east. their customs, religion, etc....

Agreed,
history shows us that the West has feared Islam because it doesn't understand it. If we grew to understand Islam, we would see that there is nothing to fear at all from it.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Well, also keep in mind that, if you were looking for terrorists in england no to long ago, you'd be looking for irishmen. I mean, if a bomb went off in heathrow, and peopel were calling in saying 'down with the imperialist occupiers', chances are it was the IRA, and the reasonable thing to to would be to interview any irish in the area of the explosion.

You can't be making excuses for these extremists, can you? That was in the past and there is no real comparison (in numbers of attacks and people hurt and killed) between what the IRA people did and current level of savagry perpetrated by extremist muslims. The author of this thread seems to want to discuss what is happening now - muslims are killing both non-muslims and fellow muslims all in the name of their religion.

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Originally posted by infinite
Agreed,
history shows us that the West has feared Islam because it doesn't understand it. If we grew to understand Islam, we would see that there is nothing to fear at all from it.

You're kidding right? Then you should grow to understand Islam because you're dead wrong.

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by Netchicken
The people who do the terrorism claim authority to do it FROM the Koran. That is their justification for killing others.

Not all muslims do though, only the islamic terrorists. As i said early, those that believe in parts of the Qur'an and not others, are not true Muslims. Islamic terrorists are not true muslims.

It's actually a lot worse then that. They don't believe in parts of the true Qu'Ran about 500 years ago they added bits to it, formed their own sect and Justify this. It's the same as me doing the same with Christianity, Judasim, etc and then the rest getting blamed for it.

People just need to learn the majority of every race doesn't hate you, but a few probably do. I myself as a kid used to hate the IRA (they bombed a school I went to) but as an adult I have grown out of this. It takes time but most people will realise. The real problem is, when we teach kids this and force our hatred onto them.

Lets see, the original question went something like this:

"Why are muslims being targetted as terrorists?"


I think the answer to that is, all muslims are not terrorists, by bygolly all terrorists are muslim. Atleast in this day and age. All the other wacko groups have decided to sit back and watch the real pro's at work, and the muslim terrorist seem more then ready to give them a show.

It really wouldn't hurt the image of muslims world wide if their leaders stood up and condemned the terrorist, if the mullahs and leaders of the muslim community made a stand to say that murder is wrong.

But they won't. With their silence they give their tacit approval.

When the Muslim community starts to condemn the terrorists and actually help in the fight to stop them, then, and only then, will people start to believe Islam is anything more then a fanatical death cult.

Love and light,

Wupy

Originally posted by mrwupy
Lets see, the original question went something like this:

"Why are muslims being targetted as terrorists?"


I think the answer to that is, all muslims are not terrorists, by bygolly all terrorists are muslim. Atleast in this day and age. All the other wacko groups have decided to sit back and watch the real pro's at work, and the muslim terrorist seem more then ready to give them a show.

It really wouldn't hurt the image of muslims world wide if their leaders stood up and condemned the terrorist, if the mullahs and leaders of the muslim community made a stand to say that murder is wrong.

But they won't. With their silence they give their tacit approval.

When the Muslim community starts to condemn the terrorists and actually help in the fight to stop them, then, and only then, will people start to believe Islam is anything more then a fanatical death cult.

Love and light,

Wupy

Firstly the leaders did stand up before Iraq, which most of the larger Islamic Councils said would not help but only make it worse.

Secondly we have "Terrorists" in South America who are not Muslims, so "bygolly" they're not all Muslims. The IRA did the bank raid in Ireland not to long ago and they're not Muslims. The Ku. Klux. Klan. still exists - they're the oddest Muslims I've ever seen.Aum Shinrikyo, I can go on. None of those are Muslims.

Sorry to inform you, but not all are.

Nagaland Rebels (1948-present) Active in predominately Christian state in Hindu India. Involved in several bombings in 2004. Goal: Independence from Hindu India after annexing parts of neighboring Indian states and Burma if it has Christian majority.

They seem to be active and not letting the Muslims do the work. -shrugs- Facts, facts, facts. Research.

Then of course there is FARC, and the Christian militias of Africa that use child soldiers who they also rape and beat to instill discipline.

But let's not forget the most evil, twisted terrorists of all time..PETA and ALF. They're probably allying with Al Qaeda right now, with the twin goals of death to the infidels and releasing all captive bunny rabbits.

C'mon..not all muslims are terrorists, that should be obvious to everyone, and not all terrorists are muslim..that should be equally obvious, but you wouldn't know it if you watched TV...

It doesnt matter what colour, what religion, whatever, there's good and bad everywhere. Nobodys all the same.

[edit on 23/5/05 by Stranger Dreamer]

Originally posted by vincere7
You're kidding right? Then you should grow to understand Islam because you're dead wrong.

You read the Qur'an?
there is nothing to fear from it, Islam is a peaceful community and has done a lot of good things.

Originally posted by mrwupy
Lets see, the original question went something like this:

"Why are muslims being targetted as terrorists?"


I think the answer to that is, all muslims are not terrorists, by bygolly all terrorists are muslim. Atleast in this day and age. All the other wacko groups have decided to sit back and watch the real pro's at work, and the muslim terrorist seem more then ready to give them a show.

It really wouldn't hurt the image of muslims world wide if their leaders stood up and condemned the terrorist, if the mullahs and leaders of the muslim community made a stand to say that murder is wrong.

But they won't. With their silence they give their tacit approval.

When the Muslim community starts to condemn the terrorists and actually help in the fight to stop them, then, and only then, will people start to believe Islam is anything more then a fanatical death cult.

Love and light,

Wupy

"People just need to learn the majority of every race doesn't hate you, but a few probably do. I myself as a kid used to hate the IRA (they bombed a school I went to) but as an adult I have grown out of this. It takes time but most people will realise. The real problem is, when we teach kids this and force our hatred onto them." Odium

In reply to Wupy.... love and light? lol, yeah right.
I have seen Muslim leaders condemn terrorism and murder many, many times. After 911, thousands of Palestinians publically condemned the action, and mourned the tragedy. Where were you? How did you miss that? Muslims regularly speak out against the terrorist actions of the tiny percentage of them that are terrorists.
When the western media stops spinning stories and prioritizing news items so as to promote division and hatred, and to glorify the west and at the same time seek to criticize all others. Sometimes the bias is subtle and covert, as in using the term 'other races', since there are no other races. And at other times the bigotry is overt, such as the glaring difference between the coverage of terrorist acts committed by Muslims and those committed by Christians. They never use the headline "Christian Terrorists". Think about it.

Odium, other than your reference to different races, I totally agree with you. Especially your final point. When Palestinian and Israeli kids are taught from the same textbooks, the crisis in the middle east will end.

Originally posted by curme
In order to get the populace to hate someone, to be able to want to kill someone, you have to dehumanize them. It's a lot easier when they are different. Compare the WWII posters of the Germans and Japanese. The Germans were just evil white guys. The Japanese were gross exagerations based on racial features. It's easier to hate that way. Who could forget the classic, "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips"?


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" 'quote: Originally posted by vincere7
You're kidding right? Then you should grow to understand Islam because you're dead wrong. '

You read the Qur'an?
there is nothing to fear from it, Islam is a peaceful community and has done a lot of good things."
Infinite

Curme, thanks for reminding us all of that obvious and often missed point. Here in BC it was the same, Japanese Canadians ( even 3rd and 4th generation Canadians.) were rounded up and sent to concentration camps* '*retroactively relabelled internment camps after the war', their properties seized and often kept, while German Canadians were left alone. The renaming of the camps is, imho, an attempt to play down this discriminatory act, so it doesn't sound quite as bad as it really was.

And Infinite, thank you too. I have read the Qu'ran, and I have met two Ismaili Muslims who are on the Canadian National Council of Ismailis, and they were two of the most sincere, genuine, kind, and generous people I have ever met. Imho they were nicer folks than 90% of the Christians I have met, and I would be hard pressed to name even one Christian that I have met that I would consider more friendly.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

So my point is this, by comparing Islam and militias as your pair of groups, you are implying that they are similar. This is a subtle confirmation for any reader that Islam = Militia. I know these militia are Christians, but not all readers will. They will just store away a string of sentences that included Islam and militia........tying the apple and the orange together.

BlackGuardXII this is a classic example of miscommunication due to our different backgrounds, educations ect. My intent was never say that Islam equals Militia. If it was subtle confirmation it was done without conscious intent - I apologize.

My point was that any group that is considered a possible threat to those currently in power is often vilified or demonized. My analogy is that the Western media demonizes both Islam & the Militia by giving them a disproportional amount of negative attention. Part of the blame should be directed to Islam & the militia type groups themselves as they continue to support their demonization by allowing evil to hide in their midst.

I brought the militia into my post as an analogy hoping people could drop their religious stereotypes, and more clearly look at why this is happening & who is responsible, but I see I have failed with you as you equate militias with Christians



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WHY CAPITALISM NEEDS RACISM

The social pyramid of capitalism is black at the base and white at the top. In South Africa it was legally instituted this way. Elsewhere slavery has been outlawed for a century, but still the richest are the whitest and the poorest the blackest.

Racism suits capitalism. It's an important way of justifying economic discrimination. It's no accident that wherever you find racism someone seems to be taking advantage of it to make money.

In 1492 Columbus colonised the Americas. Here, he said, "all of Christianity will do business''. The indigenous people were enslaved and massacred where they resisted. According to Columbus, they were only useful "for ordering and putting to work, farming and doing everything necessary, building houses and learning to wear clothes and use our customs''.

In Australia the British did the same. Australia was declared Terra Nullius, land belonging to nobody, nevermind the hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. The British needed another colony to get rid of prisoners and later as a source of raw materials. No indigenous population was going to get in the way.

Now, in place of the early colonialism, we have imperialism. The US freely walks into Third World countries to save the people from themselves. No one is enslaved by law, but their wages are kept to a dollar a day, as in the Philippines and Brazil, to make sure they don't go anywhere.

Spreading racism also helps capitalism get away with superexploiting migrants, and racial and ethnic minorities at home. It helps Australian business to preserve myths like, "Those wogs don't mind dirty, hard work, and they'll be glad to get any wages at all.'' And it's another way of dividing worker from worker. When unemployment is on the rise it's always handy to blame "the wogs'' for taking jobs away from "real Australians''.

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CAPITALISM ALIENATES PEOPLE

Capitalism is a brutalising system. It condemns people to live warped, stunted and impoverished lives, not just economically, but emotionally, intellectually and culturally as well. For most people life is just a process of ever-deepening alienation — from their work, from their families, from themselves.

In selling their labour power, whether manual or intellectual, people sell their creativity. Workers become cogs in the capitalist machine. Everything produced is owned by capitalists. The worker, separated from the product of their labour, is just a consumer.

Capitalism reduces our life purpose to the individual act of consumption. A whole multi-billion dollar advertising industry is devoted to selling people their "happiness''. Satisfaction is to be found in a Coke can.

Capitalism not only multiplies poverty to multiply wealth, but it multiplies solitude to multiply compliance. Alone, competing against each other for jobs or for school grades, people become greedy, prejudiced and self-centred. The capitalist likes nothing more than the worker who scabs on workmates to get a promotion.

But alone, alienated from everyone including themselves, people only find frustration rather than meaning. Is it any wonder, then, that in this society there is so much hate and violence, not just on the street but in the home?

Excerpts from What Socialists Stand For; courtesy of the Democratic Socialist Perspective; a member of Socialist Alliance

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[edit on 25-5-2005 by ghostsoldier]

Good question. Though I don't think Muslims are targeted I would ask what number of Terrorists are Catholic, Jewish or Anglican ?

Or other than religious extremists? that kill other Human beings. Killing other Human beings is against all society except in a defensive role, a role that may represent a loss of family or countrymen for needless reasons.

Dallas

Originally posted by infinite
You read the Qur'an?
there is nothing to fear from it, Islam is a peaceful community and has done a lot of good things.

You're talking to the wrong guy. I lived amongst Lebanese, and Yemeni muslims for years. Islam is used as a weapon and was created to amass an army. The clerics understand this, however they'llnever admit it openly. Just as "peaceful" muslims will never admit that they desire the U.S. to become a cesspool of bombings just like Israel, so the great satan suffers along with the citizens for their leaders mistakes. Thats just the popular thinking.

The muslims who have the respect are the ones actively involved with Jihad. Just as our troops get respect so do troops for jihad - it's no different, just a different culture with different values and beliefs. Muslims believe in using ALL infidels for their own purpose, whether financial or political. If the power is stronger they feed off it. If they can overthrow a power they will attempt to do so. Simple, and not to be confused by peace this, or bad muslim that. That's all rhetoric.

Originally posted by infinite
Im not talking about Islamic terrorists who are openly support terrorism, im talking about the normal joes that work 9-5 and help at in the community. Why are innconent muslims being targetted as terrorists? it seems, a stereotypical terrorists is now a muslim nationalists, anyone can be a terrorist.

Whats this about the Holy Qur'an being accused as being a tool of terrorists? its a holy book, not a how to guide on terrorism, as you can tell this sort of thing gets to me. I really dont understand how normal muslims are being targetted, what have they done wrong? they pay taxes like you and me, they help out in the community and they are respectly people, like you and me, why target them?

It's very easy to understand: The muslims were raised in a separate little world by culture area and language. Any muslim can hide a terrorist from the inside, as that person cannot be understood by other people, and we actually see that terrorists are coming from the islamic world.

We will think differently within a decade, when we see that the islamic world is organized, and free from terrorists. Of course, we need to think generally because it is impossible to select an area or a culture claiming that they are not bad.

Just thinking of the 19 hijackers: Most of them were members of top quality families, they got everything they wanted, and did not comit any crime. Now look what they did!

Muslims should simply understand this.