They Are Here

May I offer a suggestion to any who would like to be contacted or believe better.
This came to me in a meditation~~~
The aliens do NOT care about your ego-needs.In fact ego is a communication killer..
Zazen is a Buddhist word that means to be at one with all, and in total peace..
When you 'feel' the ego-snake trying to emerge, tell it 'get thee away from me, I do not need you.'
At peace humans will open all kinds of new doors for themselves.


[edit on 24-5-2005 by siriuslyone]

I read these posts and for the most part I'm not a participant. Shucks, I haven't even read all of these posts . But, um, you're into believeing the alien approach which is okay and I like to talk about it. And that picture of the thing next to that building, outstanding.

But, is this post meant to be straight forward or is it meant to sound like a drug enduced hallucination? I read a few posts and either you're heavily sedated or speaking on a level you can't translate into straight forward communication which means they don't have 12th grade reading level in North American english on your ship. Maybe an ESL course is also in your future?



[edit on 24-5-2005 by pfunkarocka]

Another added to the insulting mode of ignore.

Regardless of whether it re-sounds with my soul or not, Never would I insult a person and their belief systems.
IMO, this is the rudest thing any human can do to another.
Another thing, my avatar comes from July 1952, in which the ships stayed over the nation's Capitol for 3 days and nights...
Perhaps I forget that some/most of you were not born then.
'Do not judge a man unless you have walked a day in his moccasins'
All of our thoughts and action are being preserved so that we may someday have to 'defend how we lived our life.'

Hi,
Are these 'Nordics' Good or Evil beings?
What can we do for them to approach us?

Arent Grays evil?
So, why are they working together with them?



You also said, They were monitoring us to see how close we were to the truth...
what happends if we get real close? And are they monitoring the whole world?

Italiano

Regardless of how you are answered by the original author of the thread. Grays are evil. To me, anyone who denies that isnt seeing the facts straight. Grays have no spirituality at all. Science is their God. They have no real feelings or emotions.

Although i havent met a Nordic (yet). I have my opinion that they work with anyone and everyone. They are completely neutral in any kind of alien disputes. Some may be "employees" of grays, while others are "employees" of something else, even an enemy to the grays. From what i know, they are pretty much the universal work force. They can do just about anything, and in many cases are used to make up for what their "bosses" lack.

Originally posted by Italiano
Hi,
Are these 'Nordics' Good or Evil beings?
What can we do for them to approach us?

Arent Grays evil?
So, why are they working together with them?



You also said, They were monitoring us to see how close we were to the truth...
what happends if we get real close? And are they monitoring the whole world?

Aliens do not recogize good and evil as a human may perceive it.
Try to think of them like Dr Spock, they operate on logic and doing the job they have been given..They know the universe works in concert for what is the best good of all concened. They show kindness to the hybrid babies that is very touching,,indeed., which will become indigo Children.
Thay became most concerned with us after the Japanese bombings, as that could/did have an effect on the solar system..
So, are they watching this tiny orb? yes they are. We will have dis-closure by mass landings if our violent nuclear attitude does not change..

Originally posted by antigovFZ777
Italiano

Regardless of how you are answered by the original author of the thread. Grays are evil. To me, anyone who denies that isnt seeing the facts straight. Grays have no spirituality at all. Science is their God. They have no real feelings or emotions.

Although i havent met a Nordic (yet). I have my opinion that they work with anyone and everyone. They are completely neutral in any kind of alien disputes. Some may be "employees" of grays, while others are "employees" of something else, even an enemy to the grays. From what i know, they are pretty much the universal work force. They can do just about anything, and in many cases are used to make up for what their "bosses" lack.

With all the true evil from mankind we have on this planet, the grays would have taken us out if they wished to years ago.
They believe in G-d and know thay are only a species that is more evolved than most, but in this evolution, they have lost the capacity for emotin, and that is the main reason for their contact at this time..
We are ABOUT to destroy ourselves, and no matter what you think of Grays or Nordics, they are NOT enemies of humankind.
Have you spoken to them directly?

Originally posted by pfunkarocka
I read these posts and for the most part I'm not a participant. Shucks, I haven't even read all of these posts

. But, um, you're into believeing the alien approach which is okay and I like to talk about it. And that picture of the thing next to that building, outstanding.

But, is this post meant to be straight forward or is it meant to sound like a drug enduced hallucination? I read a few posts and either you're heavily sedated or speaking on a level you can't translate into straight forward communication which means they don't have 12th grade reading level in North American english on your ship. Maybe an ESL course is also in your future?

[edit on 24-5-2005 by pfunkarocka]

So unless someone speaks to you with a certain level of english coherency, you will not take them seriously?

In the words of Mr T - I pity the fool.

Play nice.

To all those that thinks this is bxllshxt...
why spend ur time on it? jus back off and let the interested ppl talk...
instead of tryin to make the average user think we are all crazy....

[edit on 24-5-2005 by Italiano]

Siruslyone,

Always good to hear one of your posts.I like the fact that more and more people are coming right up to the plate and telling there stories.This is exactly I believe our web site to be all about.No case is closed to an open mind.Well anyway just wanted to say keep up the good posts!

Originally posted by menguard
Siruslyone,

Always good to hear one of your posts.I like the fact that more and more people are coming right up to the plate and telling there stories.This is exactly I believe our web site to be all about.No case is closed to an open mind.Well anyway just wanted to say keep up the good posts!

Thank you much,,I think dis-closure starts with US.
If we are afraid to openly speak of them and our feelings about them, then how would one 'feel' if in the future, a way off this planet was shut to us because we did not have the guts to speak out on our belief systems.
Menguard, you are an asset to this board...

siriuslyone

I seriously have to disagree here. Every being perceives good and evil in the same general way. The only way it can even be slightly different is through culture. What may be evil to one isnt to another. But again, this is very distinctive. The difference between good and evil is as obvious as black and white. Especially to creatures who believe in a god. As you stated. I to said they believe in a god. and its name was science/technology.

Just because i say they are evil doesnt mean in any way that they are hostile. I'm positive that they are here, and will use whatever they want to take before ever taking any agressive action against humans or the earth. Whether they act in evil ways between themselves and other alien species is beside the point. I know that they act in those ways towards humans, and thats all that concerns me. They are very very far from being any sort of being of light and love.

Siruslyone,

I got cold chills off your post,so everyone knows you will know when you hear truth those chills in the body is truth being spoken.It resonates into the body.Hopefully those that already know this will not let others make there decisions for them.Meeting with the unknown is a very personal affair,spirit guides us the best way it sees fit for each individual.

Originally posted by antigovFZ777
siriuslyone

I seriously have to disagree here. Every being perceives good and evil in the same general way. The only way it can even be slightly different is through culture. What may be evil to one isnt to another. But again, this is very distinctive. The difference between good and evil is as obvious as black and white. Especially to creatures who believe in a god. As you stated. I to said they believe in a god. and its name was science/technology.

Just because i say they are evil doesnt mean in any way that they are hostile. I'm positive that they are here, and will use whatever they want to take before ever taking any agressive action against humans or the earth. Whether they act in evil ways between themselves and other alien species is beside the point. I know that they act in those ways towards humans, and thats all that concerns me. They are very very far from being any sort of being of light and love.

Sorry, I do not comprehend what points you are trying to make.
When the Spanish came to America, the NA's had been told that once the turtle people 'helmets; came that a big part of the good prophecies would start to come..they got for their faith, trading beads and pillage.
So are the immigrants evil because they wanted the land so bad, they were willing to kill em'all and let G-d sort them out?
Being half Cherokee, my Granny had recorded the trail of tears into minute detail, yet we pat ourselves on the back for buying manhattan for $28.
old indian slogan--one does not sell earth men walk on.
I think evil is in the eyes of the observer...
I will not defend this further...believe as you will.

Cherokee Prophecies
Excerpts from a talk at the 1986 Continental Indigenous Council,
Fairbanks, Alaska
There was the cycle of the mineral, the rock. There was the cycle of the
plant. And now we are in the cycle of the animal coming to the end of that and
beginning the cycle of the human being. When we get into the cycle of the human
being, the highest and greatest powers that we have will be released to us.
At the beginning of this cycle of time, long ago, the Great Spirit made an
appearance and gathered the peoples of this earth together, and said to the
human beings, "I'm going to send you to four directions, and over time I'm going
to change you to four colors, but I'm going to give you some teachings, and you
will call these the Original Teachings; when you come back together with each
other, you will share these so that you can live and have peace on earth, and a
great civilization will come about. During the cycle of time, I'm going to give
each of you two stone tablets. When I give you those stone tablets, don't cast
them upon the ground. If any of the sisters and brothers cast their tablets on
the ground, not only will human beings have a hard time, but almost the earth
itself will die."
And so He gave each of us a responsibility, and we call that the
Guardianship. To the Indian people, the red people, He gave the Guardianship of
the Earth. We were to learn during this cycle of time the teachings of the
earth, the plants that grow from the earth, the foods that you can eat, and the
herbs that heal so that, when we came back together with the other sisters and
brothers, we could share this knowledge with them. Something good was to happen
on the earth.
To the South He gave the yellow race of people the Guardianship of the Wind.
They were to learn about the sky and breathing and how to take that within
ourselves for spiritual advancement. They were to share that with us at this
time.
To the West He gave the black race of people the Guardianship of the Water.
They were to learn the teachings of the water, which is the chief of the
elements, being the most humble and the most powerful. The elders have told me
that the black people would bring the teachings of the water.
To the North He gave the white race of people the Guardianship of the Fire.
If you look at the center of many of the things they do, you will find the fire.
They say a light bulb is the white man's fire. If you look at the center of a
car you will find a spark. If you look at the center of the airplane and the
train you will find the fire. The fire consumes, and also moves. This is why it
was the white sisters and brothers who began to move upon the face of the earth
and reunite us as a human family.
And so a long time passed, and the Great Spirit gave each of the four races
two stone tablets. Ours are kept at the Hopi Reservation in Arizona at Four
Corners Area on Third Mesa. I talked to people from the black race, and their
stone tablets are at the foot of Mount Kenya. They are kept by the Kukuyu Tribe.
I was at an Indian spiritual gathering about 15 years ago. A medicine man from
South Dakota put a beaded medicine wheel in the middle of the gathering. It had
the four colors from the four directions; he asked the people, "Where is this
from?" They said, "Probably Montana, or South Dakota, maybe Saskatchewan." He
said, "This is from Kenya." It was beaded just like ours, with the same colors.
The stone tablets of the yellow race of people are kept by the Tibetans. If
you went straight through the Hopi Reservation to the other side of the world,
you would come out in Tibet. The Tibetan word for sun is the Hopi word for moon,
and the Hopi word for sun is the Tibetan word for moon.
The guardians of the traditions of the people of Europe are the Swiss. In
Switzerland, they still have a day when each family brings out its mask. They
still know the colors of the families, and they still know the symbols, some of
them. Each of these four peoples happen to live in the mountains.
Each of the four races went to their directions and learned their teachings.
It was in Newsweek not long ago that eight out of ten foods that people eat on
the earth are developed here in the western hemisphere because that was our
Guardianship -- to learn the teachings of the earth and the things that grow
from the earth. We were given a sacred handshake to show, when we came back
together as sisters and brothers, that we still remembered the teachings.
It was indicated on the stone tablets that the Hopis had that the first
sisters and brothers who would come back to them would come as turtles across
the land. They would be human beings, but they would come as turtles. So when
the time came close, the Hopis were at a special village to welcome the turtles
that would come across the land. They got up in the morning and looked out at
the sunrise. They looked out across the desert, and they saw the Spanish
conquistadores coming, covered in armor, like turtles across the land. So this
was them. So they went out to the Spanish man, and they extended their hand,
hoping for the handshake. But into the hand the Spanish man dropped a trinket.
And so word spread throughout North America that there was going to be a hard
time, that maybe some of the brothers and sisters had forgotten the sacredness
of all things and all the human beings were going to suffer for this on the
earth.
So tribes began to send people to the mountains to have visions to try to
figure out how they could survive. At that time there were 100,000 cities in the
Mississippi Valley alone, called the mound civilization: cities built on great
mounds. Those mounds are still there. They began to try to learn to live off the
land because they knew a hard time was going to come. They began to send people
to have visions to see how we could survive this time. They were told in the
prophecies that we should try to remind all the people that would come here of
the sacredness of all things. If we could do that, then there would be peace on
earth. But if we did not do that, if we had not come together as a human family,
the Great Spirit would grab the earth with His hand and shake it.
The elders on the west coast prophesied that they would then begin to build a
black ribbon. And on this black ribbon there would move a bug. And when you
begin to see this bug moving on the land, that was the sign for the First
Shaking of the Earth. The First Shaking of the Earth would be so violent that
this bug would be shaken off the earth into the air and it would begin to move
and fly in the air. And by the end of this shaking this bug will be in the air
around the world. Behind it would be a trail of dirt and eventually the whole
sky of the entire earth would become dirty from these trails of dirt, and this
would cause many diseases that would get more and more complicated. So the bug
moving on the land, of course it's easy to see now. In 1908 the Model-T Ford was
mass produced for the first time. So the elders knew the First Shaking of the
Earth was about to come about -- that was the First World War.
In the First World War the airplane came into wide usage for the first time.
That was that bug moving into the sky. And so they knew something very important
would happen. There would be an attempt to make peace on earth on the west coast
of this land, and so the elders began to watch for this. They began to hear that
there was going to be a League of Nations in San Francisco, so the elders
gathered in Arizona around 1920 or so, and they wrote a letter to Woodrow
Wilson. They asked if the Indian people could be included in the League of
Nations.
The United States Supreme Court had held that a reservation is a separate and
semi-sovereign nation, not a part of the United States but protected by it. This
became a concern because people didn't want the reservations to become more and
more separate. They didn't want them to be considered nations. So they did not
write back, and the Native people were left out of the League of Nations so that
circle was incomplete. In the League of Nations circle there was a southern
door, the yellow people; there was a western door, the black people; there was a
northern door, the white people; but the eastern door was not attended. The
elders knew that peace would not come on the earth until the circle of humanity
is complete, until all the four colors sat in the circle and shared their
teachings, then peace would come on earth.
So they knew things would happen. Things would speed up a little it. There
would be a cobweb built around the earth, and people would talk across this
cobweb. When this talking cobweb, the telephone, was built around the earth, a
sign of life would appear in the east, but it would tilt and bring death (the
swastika of the Nazis). It would come with the sun. But the sun itself would
rise one day, not in the east but in the west (the rising sun of the Japanese
Empire). So the elders said when you see the sun rising in the east, and you see
the sign of life reversed and tilted in the east, you know that the Great Death
is to come upon the earth, and now the Great Spirit will grab the earth again in
His hand and shake it, and this shaking will be worse than the first. So the
sign of life reversed and tilted, we call that the Swastika, and the rising sun
in the east was the Rising Sun of Japan. These two symbols are carved in stone
in Arizona. When the elders saw these two flags, they knew that these were the
signs that the earth was to be shaken again.
The worse misuse of the Guardianship of the fire is called the gourd of
ashes. They said the gourd of ashes will fall from the air. It will make the
people like blades of grass in the prairie fire, and things will not grow for
many seasons. The atomic bomb, the gourd of ashes, it was the best-kept secret
in the history of the US. The elders wanted to speak about it in 1920.
They would have spoken of it and foretold its coming if they could have
entered into the League of Nations. The elders tried to contact President
Roosevelt to ask him not to use the gourd of ashes because it would have a great
effect on the earth and eventually cause even greater destruction and a the
Third Shaking of the Earth, the Third World War.
So they knew after the Second Shaking of the Earth when they saw the gourd of
ashes fall from the sky, there would be an attempt to make peace on the other
side of this land. And because the peace attempt on the west coast had failed,
they would build a special house on the east coast of this Turtle Island, and
all the nations and peoples of the earth would come to this house, and it would
be called the House of Mica, and it would shine like the mica on the desert
shines. So the elders began to see they were building the United Nations made
out of glass that reflects like the mica on the desert so they knew this was the
House of Mica, and all the peoples of the earth should go to it. So they met and
talked about this. They said that in the 1920's they had written and they had
not been responded to, so they said this time we'd better go to the front door
of the House of Mica because things might get a lot worse.
So elders representing a number of tribes drove to New York City. When the
United Nations opened, they went to the front door of the house of Mica and they
said these words, 'We represent the indigenous people of North America, and we
wish to address the nations of the Earth. We're going to give you four days to
consider whether or not we will be allowed to speak.'
They retreated to one of the Six Nations Reserves in New York State. Four
days later they came back, and I believe the nations of the earth heard that the
Indians had come to the door. And they voted to let the Indians in. They wanted
to hear what they had to say. But the United States is one of five nations of
the United Nations with a veto power, and still they were concerned because this
time the Native sovereignty was even stronger. And I believe they vetoed the
entrance of the Native people.
So then they knew other things would happen on the Earth. So they retreated
to the Six Nations Reserve, and they talked about this, and they said the time
is really getting close now -- 1949. They said, "We're going to divide the
United States into four sections, and each year we're going to have a gathering.
We're going to call these the White Roots of Peace Gatherings." They began to
have these around 1950. And they authorized certain people to speak in English
for the first time about these prophecies.
One that I used to listen to many times, over and over, was Thomas Banyaca.
He was authorized to speak in English about what was on the stone tablets, and
he has dedicated his life to doing this. And they began to tell us at these
gatherings, "You're going to see a time in your lifetime when the human beings
are going to find the blueprint that makes us." They call that now DNA,
deoxyribonucleic acid. They said, "They're going to cut this blueprint." They
call that now genetic splicing. And they said, "They're going to make new
animals upon the earth, and they're going to think these are going to help us.
And it's going to seem like they do help us. But maybe the grandchildren and
great-grandchildren are going to suffer." The elders said long ago, "They will
release these things, and they will use them." This is going to be released not
too long from now. They are making new animals. The elders talked about this.
They said, "You will see new animals, and even the old animals will come back,
animals that people thought had disappeared. They will find them here and there.
They'll begin to reappear."
They said, "You're going to see a time when the eagle will fly its highest in
the night, and it will land upon the moon. And at that time, many of the Native
people will be sleeping," which symbolically means they have lost their
teachings. We're at that time now. The Eagle has landed on the moon, 1969. When
that spaceship landed, they sent back the message, "The Eagle has landed."
Traditionally, Native people from clear up in the Inuit region have shared with
us this prophecy, clear down to the Quechuas in South America.
At this time you're going to see that things will speed up, that people on
the earth will move faster and faster. Grandchildren will not have time for
grandparents. Parents will not have time for children. It will seem like time is
going faster and faster. The elders advised us that, as things speed up, you
yourself should slow down. The faster things go, the slower you go. Because
there's going to come a time when the earth is going to be shaken a third time.
The Great Spirit has shaken the earth two times: the First and Second World Wars
to remind us that we are a human family, to remind us that we should have
greeted each other as brothers and sisters. We had a chance after each shaking
to come together in a circle that would have brought peace on earth, but we
missed that.
Tonight they were talking on the news about the sign for the Third Shaking of
the Earth. They said they're going to build what the elders called the house in
the sky. In the 1950's they talked about this: they will build a house and throw
it in the sky. When you see people living in the sky on a permanent basis, you
will know the Great Spirit is about to grab the earth, this time not with one
hand, but with both hands. When this house is in the sky, the Great Spirit is
going to shake the Earth a third time, and whoever dropped that gourd of ashes,
upon them it is going to drop. They say at that time there will be villages in
this land so great that when you stand in the villages you will not be able to
see out, and in the prophecies these are called villages of stone, or prairies
of stone. And they said the stone will grow up from the ground, and you will not
be able to see beyond the village.
At the center of each and every one of these villages will be Native people,
and they will walk as hollow shells upon a prairie of stone. They said hollow
shells, which means they will have lost any of their traditional understandings;
they will be empty within. They said that, after the Eagle lands on the moon,
some of these people will begin to leave these prairies of stone and come home
and take up some of the old ways and begin to make themselves reborn, because
it's a new day. But many will not. And they said there's going to come a time
when in the morning the sun is going to rise, and this village of stone will be
there, and in the evening there would just be steam coming from the ground. They
will be as steam. And in the center of many of those villages of stone, when
they turn to steam, the Native people will turn to steam also because they never
woke up and left the village.
They say there's going to be the Third Shaking of the Earth. It's not going
to be a good thing to see, but we will survive it. We will survive it. And when
we survive it, there's going to be another attempt to make a circle of the human
beings on the earth. And this time the Native people will not have to petition
to join but will be invited to enter the circle because they say the attitude
toward us will have changed by then, and people will let us into the circle, and
all the four colors of the four directions will share their wisdom, and there
will be a peace on earth. This is coming close.
The prophecies are always either/or. We could have come together way back
there in 1565, and we could have had a great civilization, but we didn't. Always
along the path of these prophecies, we could have come together. We still could.

If we could stop the racial and religious disharmony, we would not have to go
through this third shaking. The elders say the chance of that is pretty slim. It
seems to me like it's pretty slim, too. But they say what we can do is we can
cushion it so it won't be quite as bad. How do we do this? We do this by sharing
the teaching that will reunite us.

Originally posted by menguard
Siruslyone,

I got cold chills off your post,so everyone knows you will know when you hear truth those chills in the body is truth being spoken.It resonates into the body.Hopefully those that already know this will not let others make there decisions for them.Meeting with the unknown is a very personal affair,spirit guides us the best way it sees fit for each individual.

Men;

In my way I am trying to make it 'easier' for others than it has been for me..
I went through a LOT of suffering and discord at the hands of others, and I hope I can lighten the burden for those who are TRUE seekers[you know who you are]Having had to die 3 times was a reality that I had to do to cure my rebellion.I saw and heard things on the other side that there is no way I can impart, but please believe you are your only judge..dear friend.

Yes death is the ultimate advisor.I was clinically dead for three minutes,it was when I was younger three or four I fell asleep in the bath tub.And awoke or conscious of my surroundings in a hospital.This definately boosted my awareness of spirits and other beings.I was hearing/seeing spirits like it was first hand nature.I have no fear of death for I have seen and felt what the other side has to offer.

Originally posted by menguard
Yes death is the ultimate advisor.I was clinically dead for three minutes,it was when I was younger three or four I fell asleep in the bath tub.And awoke or conscious of my surroundings in a hospital.This definately boosted my awareness of spirits and other beings.I was hearing/seeing spirits like it was first hand nature.I have no fear of death for I have seen and felt what the other side has to offer.

Than that is part of the explanation of how/why you are so wise.I forgot one of my deaths, as I was born with no blood at home and had to be transfused directly from my dad.I cried non-stop for the first 2 years of my life..seems I was TRYING all I could to not to have to see all that is coming soon....If you ever want to speak off board, be sure to u2u me...
Remember when out of body life seems to be the GORY part and spirit is home?

Siruslyone, I will u2u on many other excursions outside the body.