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A Working Brownian Pump...

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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Chakotay
reply to post by myster0

I only use columns much less than a foot long. I am only using capillary and wicking effects, unlike the trees.

At the top of the capillary column, I use a cotton paper wicking material in the tube, up over the rim and part way down the side of the tube. The wicking action pulls the column over the rim and the virtual 'tube' formed by the surface tension sets up a gravity siphon. Due to the wicking effect, the siphon is 'ratcheted' and drops begin to form and run down the outside of the capillary.


I have spent several hours trying to reproduce this experiment and I can do parts of it but I cannot get the whole thing working together in a cycle so I need to ask you a few questions.

First, please describe the size of your capillary tubes, diameter, height, and how much height of capillary action do you get?

Second, I noticed that if you drape a wick over the sides of a water container you can always get a siphoning action if you allow the wick to be below the original surface of the water, but not above. I assumed you are allowing the wick to be below the surface level of the water in the capillary tube, but above the surface of the water outside of the capillary tube. Is that correct? If you are allowing the wick to be below the surface of the original water level I cannot see how you gain anything since you must move water to a lower level and cannot
get it back to the original container without doing added work.

Thirdly, It might be that you are doing what I just described, letting the wick get below the original surface, but you are relying on evaporation to bring the water eventually back to the higher level, just like the earth's hydrological cycle but on a smaller scale. Then you would be using small input heat or changing temperatures to do the work (even though your device seems to be at a constant ambient temperature, in reality the temperatures are always in flux slightly on a daily cycle).

Fourth, since it has been a few years since your original posts, I hope you could put up a picture of your device.

I would not normally give this kind of device a second though but since I am currently studying some academic work regarding possible Second Law violations on a micro scale, I wondered if this device might actually have some merit and while I am not very confident, I would appreciate your help.


posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Chakotay
There is an ATS thread titled Perpetual Motion in Subatomic Particles.

It raises the question of the possibility of harnessing this motion for energy production.

I believe I may have found a way to extract useful work from these particles, using water molecules as vacuum energy collectors.

I am putting this idea out here for the benefit of all.

I have a raised bed cornfield that is flood irrigated. I have noticed that while the level of water in the irrigation ditches reaches one foot, the raised bed becomes wet well above the level of water in the ditch.

I am always looking at nature for inspiration, and this 'anti-gravity' effect intrigued me. Drawing upon my scientific training, I knew the lift was being provided by capillary action.

Now capillary action can draw water located tens of feet below the surface up to the top of a 400 foot redwood tree using molecular energy alone.

So I began to search for capillary pumps and found this: Capillary Motor.

They say it couldn't work.

So I built one.

But using my understanding of biology- specifically, how trees pump fluids to extremities (limbs and leaves)- I added something to the design.

In effect, I stuffed a rag in the hole.

The even tinier capillary fibers of a twisted cotton string draped through the perpendicular hole are capable of redirecting and 'boosting' the water raised in the water column up, over and down the outside of the tube as drops of falling water.

A working model of this capillary pump is sitting on my desk right now, sealed in a bell jar to isolate it from evaporation losses.

It has been recirculating water without any external power input other than brownian motion of the water molecules own latent heat.

Could this device be scaled up to raise massive quantities of water hundreds of feet in the air to drive electric generators using gravity alone?

I don't know.

Try it and see. Stick a wet string in a full glass of water and hang it halfway over the side. Put the glass in a dish and see what happens.


[edit on 21-5-2005 by Chakotay]

I enjoyed this thread
Some of my best days,
is when people with a PHD hire me to fix something,
that they are unable to fix.
They spend hours in debate,
but always call me back when something needs to be fixed.
A mind is a complicate thing,
that cannot understand some of the most basic concepts.

edit on 4-4-2012 by Gmoneycricket because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:04 PM
We have politicians,
that every day tell us about a government that meets the same definition of...

The term "perpetual motion machine" has several definitions.
Any device that continues its motion forever, without any speed reduction.
This is a literal interpretation of the words.
Any device whose operation would violate established laws of physics, or would depend upon purely speculative laws unknown to physics.
This is the colloqual usage.
A machine that perpetually puts out more energy than it takes in. Nowadays this is called an "over-unity machine" since its power efficiency would be greater than one.

Our Government seems to meet the first definition,
continues its motion forever, without any speed reduction.
And the next definition seems to apply,
its power efficiency would be greater than one.
The physics part in comparison to a government would apply if you consider,
That you apply physics and call it common sense.

Now we just need to wait for government in motion to fail,
236 years running so far.
Unless you believe government needs,
we the people,
to continue this cycle,
then we can scrub the whole experiment.
But if it is socialist,
then we just need to reproduce,
and watch the whole system feed on itself.

posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 02:00 PM
reply to post by Gmoneycricket

I have convinced myself that one can draw out water from the top of the capillary tube and I noted that there is a difference in distance below the water line which is required for gravity to overcome the potential energy of the wick (which holds the water in the wick) equal to the height of the capillary tube above the original water line.

So far, I have been unable to get strong capillary action of more than 1 cm which is not enough since I found that for my materials, about one cm is required for gravity to overcome the wick as mentioned above.

For now my main issue is trying to get the capillary tubes to actually work.

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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 07:01 PM
I bought some actual capillary tubes of about 1.1mm inner diameter and they can get almost 3cm capillary action. Now, I have conducted many (literally kitchen table) experiments trying to reproduce Chakotay's device.

So far I still have not been able to confirm his device. I really need for him to chime in and give photo's, video's and a complete technical description.

Has anyone else had any luck?
edit on 9-4-2012 by Bob12345 because:

edit on 9-4-2012 by Bob12345 because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 07:37 PM

It's been about 6 years since your first post on this thread. Do you have a digital camera yet? I would love to see your bell jar setup.

posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Chakotay

Originally posted by Amorymeltzer
That defeats your entire point right there. If it's taking ambient energy, it's not perpetual at all. You're putting energy in to get energy out.

Not at all. I am not putting energy in. The Universe is.

Picture the concept: a device that extracts quantum fluctuations.

And it will work- given a proper working fluid and materials- forever.

Back to the hydrogen atom questions. Do you have a theory for what sustains the orbitals and prevents charge unification? Beyond the abstract words 'exclusion principle'?

[edit on 23-5-2005 by Chakotay]

In fact there is a theory, not mainstream but not quackery either, called Stochastic Electrodynamics (SED) as compared to Quantum Electrodynamics (QED), the standard theory. SED posits the electrons are kept in a dynamic equilibrium by absorbing energy from the vacuum fluctuations at the same rate that they radiate energy away through accelerated motion. SED is a theory which attempts to explain quantum effects through classical physics by making the vacuum energy central to physics.

edit on 18-4-2012 by Bob12345 because: Clarification.

posted on May, 22 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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