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I beleive we have been argueing at cross purposes...
Let me then say, for the record, that I have never at any time sought to suggest that God had a tribal background.
you believe your christian god is real, or the jewish god is real, or allah is real.
Originally posted by Shonet1430
you believe your christian god is real, or the jewish god is real, or allah is real.
I'll write a longer post later but the G-d of Abraham and Allah are the same and that's coming from a Jew.
that wasn't really the main point of what i was writing, although you have made my point that the religions today are nothing special if they are not only borrowing legends, myths but also each other's gods.
like i said...why do millions not still believe in the greek gods, because they did some thousands of years ago, but it seemed to die out.
what's so f**king special and different about the religions we have today that they won't do the same in another few thousand years.
lets face it christianity is young, only 1500 years or so and has grown rapidly, yet can also be reversed just as rapidly.
if the spiritual sides of religion were real then there would only be one religion.
if one of these religions today is the one, then surely that means everyone else is lying.
lets say for example the muslims are right. does that mean all christians, buddhas, jews, hindus are lying about when they've seen god, have a relationship with him, or felt him in some way, all that faith healing stuff. not lying. but what it comes down to would be that those people wanted to believe so much that they made themselves do so. some people have a need for god, or a need for there to be something more.
thousands of years ago people didnt really understand religion a whole great deal. people were mostly illiterate and couldnt read what the bible and other holy scriptures had to offer. however, now people can they take it upon themselves to believe it all to be inspired by god. most religious people are so quick to dismiss evolution, without looking at the evidence, of which is still going on today...evolution didn't just happen millions of years ago...its a fact today as well. yet they believe some 40 different books thrown together and legends and myths is somehow 'god-inspired' or in some places the words of god...that's a lot of trust to place...i guess that's why the call it faith.
Originally posted by Shonet1430
Religion is man made which makes it a little lackluster. Being a Jew, I have absolutely no problem with anything being borrowed. I take what I have learned from religion to further establish my relationship. My every ounce of being isn't hung up on any of it. If it's not real, then I've lost nothing because overall I have learned a better way of living and more structured.
that response seems as though 'even though religions aren't ''actually'' real it's still o.k to believe and tell people you believe because you're leading a better life'. that's maybe not what you meant but that's how it came across. i think that's exactly what religion has become. even though i can still lead a good life without religion...some people can't.
there's a program on channel 4 in england at the moment called 'spiritual shopper'. basically different people on the show try and find a religion to help them with their day to day life and problems. to me this is all religion has become, more of a way of life rather than the bible being inspired by god etc. from the last two popes you can see this very clearly. as they don't agree with homosexuals, or same sex marriage etc etc...it's just trying to build an orderly society. however, i don't believe that's the right way to go about it.
you said yourself religion is man made, parts borrowed from here, there and everywhere, yet you still believe you're going somewhere other than the worm farm when you die. you also said you're not bothered by there being so many other religions, after all not everyone fits in to the same size t-shirt. but all of them also believe they're going somewhere other than the bacteria fest when they die.
and why do you and others feel that the only reason you're living life to a good standered is because of your religion? could you not do it on your own? is it the 10 commandments that are keeping you inline...if so then why not just follow the laws that govern us anyway...why do you need some book, or some pretend god, or relationship with some spiritual being to be leading a good life? lets face facts religions aren't what they were 1500 years ago, back then people believed them word for word and that they were going to heaven. however, religions have changed to keep up with how people have changed...there's no heaven or real gods or after life...it's just a better way to live your life...as you said. it's about time people stood on their own two feet though.
im so sick of this religious bulls**t. i do have a general hatred towards it especially in cases when people try and prove to me that faith healing is real, even though the power of prayer might give someone hope it will not cure an 8 year old kid who has diabetes. honour killings. f**king johova's on my door trying to recruit me. leaflets about god and how you can come to church and learn about him and s**t like that.
pesonally if religions were just like 'life coaching' helping you to lead a better life then i probably wouldn't care. it's just all that god inspired bible nonsense that gets to me and all the other stuff that plain and simply isn't true. i know it, you know it. that's why your excuse for being religious is to lead a better life, so you don't sound stupid trying to argue the fact that there's a god and heaven and that. the world would be a better place without religion.