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What do you think the source was for? I didn't put it there for my health.
Did you read what I typed?
Luke 14: "And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit. News about Him spread through all the surrounding district and He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all."
Yes? I notice most of the Bible doesn't go "He was black, he was Jewish oh that fellow over there he is a Hindu" etc, etc...
but if you would go and do some research you'd find out Magdala and the Lake of Tiberias was/is a heavily Jewish area with the Jewish population going there(Tiberias) after the Second Revolt in 135 AD. (Bar Kokhba's revolt)
There had to be Jewish people for Jesus to go there and use the Synagogues. I'll get back to the other bits when I can be bothered to go in my attic and get the books down.
Town in Galilee, situated in a valley to the north of the plain of Esdraelon. It is about 1,200 feet above the level of the Mediterranean. Nazareth first appears in the New Testament as the place where Jesus passed his boyhood (Matt. ii. 23; Luke i. 26; ii. 4, 39, 51; John i. 46 et seq.; Acts x. 38). It is not mentioned in the Old Testament, or in Josephus or the Talmud (though Eleazar Ḳalir [8th and 9th cent.] in the elegy "Ekah Yashebah" mentions the priestly class of Nazareth [ = "Mishmeret"], doubtless on the basis of some ancient authority). This has led Wellhausen ("Israelitische und Jüdische Gesch." p. 220) and Cheyne (Cheyne and Black, "Encyc. Bibl.") to conjecture that "Nazareth" is a name for Galilee. Such an inference is in the highest degree precarious. It is evident from John i. 46 that Nazareth was an obscure place. During the Biblical period Japhia was the important town of the locality and attracted to itself all the notice of historians.
Nazareth is mentioned by Eusebius and Jerome in the "Onomasticon" as 15 Roman miles eastward from Legio (Lajjun). Epiphanius ("Hæres." i. 136) says that until the time of Constantine, Nazareth was inhabited only by Jews, which statement implies that in his day some Christians lived there. Toward the close of the sixth century it became a place of pilgrimage, for Antoninus the Martyr visited it and saw there an ancient synagogue and a church. It is said to have been almost totally destroyed by the Saracens, but after the establishment of the Latin kingdom of Jerusalem it was rebuilt, and the bishopric of Scythopolis was transferred to it. The population is estimated at about 10,000—3,500 being Mohammedans, and the rest Christians.
From what I can find it had a large Jewish Population so should have had a form of a Synagogue
Originally posted by saint4God
why Jesus would not have a wife (and children) would be in Luke 14:33 and all the surrounding context.
There's other reasons too, such as tripping all up and down Israel, the fact that he says "you cannot go where I am going", etc. Why would he step up a family for a fall like that when he knew perfectly well what was going to happen?
Pray, train, study,
God bless.
Matthew 4:23 Luke 4:16
I quote books, I quote the Old and New T, it's hard to show any other way since we have very few records of the time. That took me 2 minutes to find, instead of "doubting" everything I write why not read the Bible? The Qu'Ran? etc, etc...
Originally posted by Odium
Originally posted by saint4God
why Jesus would not have a wife (and children) would be in Luke 14:33 and all the surrounding context.
There's other reasons too, such as tripping all up and down Israel, the fact that he says "you cannot go where I am going", etc. Why would he step up a family for a fall like that when he knew perfectly well what was going to happen?
Pray, train, study,
God bless.
Luke:13
33In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
So you are claiming this displays Jesus' not having a wife? How?
He tells them to give up everything they "have"(has) which would be objects they own. Maybe Jesus just didn't think of his wife as a possession but an equal? Just because the majority of Roman Catholics (over History) have treated women as an object does not mean Jesus would have. He should have treated everyone as an equal - should he have not? Or do you think Jesus was pro-slavery? Since a woman as an object and your wife as one is just that.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I almost hit the quote button myself, Saint.
The many parables Jesus speaks today is taken much out of context by many that call themself "Christian". They are greatly open to individual interpretation as long as one gets the "jist" of what the Lord was trying to say. However, in this day and time many twist these parables to fit an agenda I consider very unChristlike.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Yes, that is church. However, when I hear what many "churches" now preach I run the other direction.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Definitely not what Christ intended. Yes, I'm sure there are many good ones out there. However, many would be embarrassed and have me arrested when I stood up to protest what they were saying. Can't stand being arrested too many times. They label people ya know?
Which came first Josephus in the late 1st century, or Eusebius a late 3rd century arrival? And who actually knew more about the situation in Palestine, a Jewish high priest and general who lived there in the first century, or a 3rd to 4th century Christian living in Palestine? Eusebius, a Christian, would have been relying on the lineage as per the gospels, so his statements on same is hardly proof of anything. So both mother Mary and her sister, Mary had sons named Simon. Cute little royal attribute in serfdom.
Originally posted by Flange GasketAs has been previously stated there are many biblical references to Jesus being of the House of David, other relatives of Jesus prominent in the early Christian Church were his brother James the Just, 1st bishop of Jerusalem, and his cousin Simeon (Josephs brother Cleopas' son) 2nd bishop of Jerusalem. (Eusebius Ecclesiastical History, Book 3 chapter 12 part 11)
Yet, it was just an apology and a very weak one at that, for had he and all other church fathers performed due diligence they would have found the following: his genealogy per matthew shows Roboam; Abia; Asa; Josaphat; Joram, which were not sons of the previous but all sons of Solomon, therefore a forced lineage; Ammon was considered evil by god II Kings 21:2 next in line was Jechonias who was not the son of ammon but his grandson, therefore a purposeful attempt to mislead, and he too was cursed; two generations later we have Zorobabel whose heritage cannot be determined in that his supposed father Salathiel, died childless; Achim, Eluid are unknown characters. Luke has its own issues also; Elmodam, Cosam, Addi, Melchi and Neri are unknowns; Salathiel in Matthew is represented as the son of Jechonias, and in Luke as the son of Neri; see also Salathiel and Zorobabel above; Joanna is female not male where the line was recorded by the male side; The Matthias lines strongly resemble the Josephus genealogy with a number of unknowns tossed in for good measure.
whereas then some of those who are inserted in this genealogical table succeeded by natural descent, the son to the father, while others, though born of one father, were ascribed by name to another, mention was made of both of those who were progenitors in fact and of those who were so only in name.
Thus neither of the gospels is in error, for one reckons by nature, the other by law. For the line of descent from Solomon and that from Nathan were so involved, the one with the other, by the raising up of children to the childless and by second marriages, that the same persons are justly considered to belong at one time to one, at another time to another; that is, at one time to the reputed fathers, at another to the actual fathers. So that both these accounts are strictly true and come down to Joseph with considerable intricacy indeed, yet quite accurately.
And this proves Jesus' lineage how exactly? The issue the Romans would have had with the house of David was the same as with all Jews. I highly suspect there were hundreds of thousands from the house of David. Did Vespasian mention he was only after the descendants of Jesus?
Part 12 of this same chapter refers to how the Emperor Vespasian sought to capture and kill any of the family of David so that none would be left of the Jews who was of royal lineage.
His works are actually more telling when compared to the likes of Josephus than Christians wish to acknowledge. For while he claimed Herod burned the genealogical registries, he unwittingly and truthfully links Jesus and all of his characters to those in Josephus’ works. But that is for those who are interested in research to find on their own. Further, there were no private records kept.
Eusebius' work differs hugely the style of the Bible or that of Flavius Josephus, his work is very scholarly and is referenced and cross referenced to that research material available to him around 340AD, which includes a great many works which no longer exist, but of which the quotes in his history are the last extant copy.
There you go. Claim the records were detsroyed, but 3,760 years of same were stored in the minds of a working class family. How much of your genealogy was actually handed down to you that you can either recall from memory, or have taken the time to diligent record? And you have pen and paper or computer for ease of record, not stone or papyri and reeds.
The lack of records of the Jews during the period of the life of Christ is entirely consistent with what we should expect from this period, as Eusebius records wave after wave of death destruction and martyrdom of the early Christians.
And the masses are far more acquainted today with works forbidden to those only in the position to make the decisions. We undoubtedly lack many, but we are not the uneducated serf in the field who is made to appear in church and told to accept what is read to us and what is forbidden to us to read.
…the discussions and disagreements of this forum have been going on since the first days of the church, from Sabellius to Arius, there has always been disagreement about, whether Jesus was Cosubstantial or born of man and woman, was he a man or a god….
Poor them! They had a history of all of three hundred years, and they whined like banshees, where the very culture from which they absconded with their status, had already been persecuted for a known 500 years. They certainly made up for that prosecution, those poor Christians, the barbarism they showed to non-Christians to this day is not overlooked.
The sad reality of the Church is that by 340AD at the time of Eusebius the poor Christians had been so demoralised that they were prepared to go along with anything the Romans wanted of them to end the persecution…
Yet, when it comes to Simon, Judas, Joses/Joseph/Jesus and James, they are quick to claim these brethren of Jesus were from a previous marriage of Joseph, and in no way could have been from the virgin queen, for she was obviously content to stay a virginal widow for the rest of her born days, however long they were.
Matthan and Melchi having married in succession the same woman, begat children who were uterine brothers, for the law did not prohibit a widow, whether such by divorce or by the death of her husband, from marrying another.