Originally posted by losingground
Unless someone wants to acknowledge the truth on this with me, subject closed. For now.
You say that what you claim will be hard to prove, then make no attempt whatsoever, opting instead to wait for someone else to jump on your bandwagon. Please don't take this as an attack, it's not. It is however, a request for you to at least post some facts; the manner in which you have presented your ideas does not and will not hold water here.
I think I can speak for the Masons here in saying that if there are men who are members of their fraternity who are carrying on the way you describe they would want to know about it so something can be done.
As far as your rant on networking, well, networking is a phenomenon that is going to happen in any group. Fraternities of all sorts have a history and indeed reputations for such activity. But, to say that this networking is evil or nefarious in nature, or to say that it is used to "destroy people's lives" is pretty far-fetched. Can you give some examples?
Originally posted by losingground
There may very well be masons who are decent, God fearing people who have a conscience, but I don't think a whole lot of them do. If they don't like you, if you don't live up to their so called moral "standards" then their evil thread of conspiracy begins. Whether or not they have their facts right or not, most often not, they will form a network and whomever it is they don't like, their subtle, lying, finger pointing, slanderous, conspiracy of networking begins and they will set out to destroy someone.
So they just set out to destroy "whomever they don't like"?
Can you give some examples of such people and how they were destroyed?
This is a true and very very sad fact.
How is it fact? You have shown no facts here.
Can I prove all this? It is hard to prove something that is perpetuated by such a skilled bunch of groups, that have been doing all this for God knows how long, it is hard to prove how many lives have been destroyed, how many suicides have taken place under their harassement and torment, and these suicides being made to look like the person 'wasn't all there' or 'crazy' or 'had problems at work or at home'.
Ok if it is hard to prove how many, let's start with one... Can you do it? Just ONE PERSON who has been done in the way you suggest. Let's hear some facts, please.
Should I post my observations, and what I've read?
If you hope to make your point, yes.
No, I'll keep it a secret.
There's your problem.
Then if I can't prove it, I shouldn't post it? Wrong. I can't prove it, and I've stated why. Anyone who argues in their defense can't prove they aren't perpetuating all this, but be assured I am not the only one who knows this is going on, not by a long shot.
Do you know anyone else who "knows" what you "know"? The way you talk you should be able to get some others who know about this awful conspiracy to come here and back you up, no?
There might even be posters in this forum somewhere who have posted similar mason activities, and I haven't read them yet. In any case, I hope whoever reads my post and understands what I am talking about comes forward and backs me up, but if not, so be it.
There might be, but I don't think you would want them on your side in an argument. Most if not all of them have been shown to be liars and frauds, and I doubt if association with them would help your case at all.
I believe most will do their level best to discredit me.
I for one am not trying to discredit you, but I am attempting to get you to realize that you need to back up what you say. A few facts will go a long way toward your credibility.
These people are in every part of society...government, public utilities, large chain stores, unions, the list goes on and on. And in some groups, when they have and can use the patriot act to fuel their own disgusting perpetual thread of evil, your life is over.
Yes, Masons are everywhere. They are our fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins, postmen, school teachers, in some cases public officials, janitors, chimney sweeps, coaches, librarians, accountants, contractors, architects, actors, store clerks, restaraunt managers, just about any profession you can think of is represented within the ranks of Freemasonry. Does this make a conspiracy? Hardly. Another thing, Masons throughout history have been ardent supporters of freedom and liberty, and most of the Masons I know are opposed to the Patriot Act, as it is all about the stripping of liberties from the individual. Not in line with Masonic principles at all.
Don't tell me they subscribe to morality, thier lack of conscience is a subscription to a thread of evil that is world wide.
Pretty broad claim for a fraternity that figures to have somewhere around 6 million members, don't you think? They all "lack conscience"? I hardly think so.
If someone has done something wrong, or have done nothing wrong and simply don't like you for whatever reason they've dreamed up, their manifestions are such a large powerful EVIL force that you wonder why God hasn't stepped in to end it.
Yeah, they'll blow up your toilet.
Come on, man, are you seriously that paranoid?
I tell you what. Print this post, take it down to your local lodge, and voice your opinions and concerns to them. Tell them what you think, and ask questions and see if you can't convince yourself, after doing so, that what you have posted here is untrue. I guarantee you no harm will befall you. You might even learn a little something about the men you seem to fear so much.
[edit on 5/22/05 by The Axeman]