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Filmmaker claims Jim Morrison is alive

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posted on May, 20 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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Jim Morrison, the lead singer of American rock group The Doors 'died' in Paris aged 27. He was found in a bathtub at his apartment at 17 Rue Beautraillis by his girlfriend, Pamela Courson, on July 3rd 1971. Aparently, she was the only person to see the body, and called a 'doctor' who's near on illegible report stated the cause of death was due to heart failure - however, the dotor was never heard from again. Given the unusual circumstances of his death and the dearth of witnesses, the rumor that Morrison lives on has persisted to this day.

He's dead... Jim, or is he?

The filmmaker's website

Jim Morrison, then and 'now' (link to .asf film clip)




posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:26 PM
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That's freaky if it's actually true. But before I believe it, I want some DNA proof. I'm sure there's enough of his things left around to at least find an old hair of his or maybe some DNA from a licked envelope.

Was he supposedly buried or creamated? If buried, lets get a flashlight and a couple shovels and see if he's still in there!



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13
That's freaky if it's actually true. But before I believe it, I want some DNA proof. I'm sure there's enough of his things left around to at least find an old hair of his or maybe some DNA from a licked envelope.

Was he supposedly buried or creamated? If buried, lets get a flashlight and a couple shovels and see if he's still in there!


He's buried at Cimetiere du Pere Lachaise, Paris. The funeral was a closed coffin affair and noone ever saw the 'body' apart from his girlfriend Pam and the missing 'doctor'. She died soon after.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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Just a guess, but i'd say his girlfriend and this doctor were probably the only ones to see the bullet holes, or other evidence as to the real reason of his death. Odd that the only two people that saw his body are gone eh? How often does somebody die and get buried with only two people seeing the body? Not very.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 11:05 PM
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I think a morph of Jim Morrison and Steven Tyler would have been more convincing.



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by Lanotom
I think a morph of Jim Morrison and Steven Tyler would have been more convincing.



Lanotom, some may say that a morph of Jim Morrison and you're avatar would have been more convincing





posted on May, 21 2005 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by antiriad

Originally posted by Lanotom
I think a morph of Jim Morrison and Steven Tyler would have been more convincing.



Lanotom, some may say that a morph of Jim Morrison and you're avatar would have been more convincing



Yep! Now that I take a good look at both I think you may be right.



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 10:09 AM
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So then... when does the new Doors album hit the stores?


It actually does look suspicious about how he died but unless there's some sort of proof he's dead to all his fans.



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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morrison was obsessed with death, and a hard drug abuser. why is it hard to believe he is dead ? he got his wish, the end, and a trip through the door to the other side.


just watch jims upper lip transform in the video morph. people gain weight as they age, hairlines change, but a very distinvctive upper lip totally changing shape ???



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 10:33 AM
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Some links...
Autopsy report (in french)
from www.findadeath.com

I speak a little French and it appears he suffered a traumatic lesion which was complicated by a history of drug and alcohol abuse. It was ruled a natural death.

Sanc'.



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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It's amazing what a look-a-like will do inorder to make money.

IF it was really Jim Morrison why doesn't he just come out and claim his share of all the past royalties for all the 'Doors' merchandise, instead of hawking some cheap crap on the web? As far as his 'manager' I thought the 'Doors' had a manager and agent in Los Angeles.



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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What a hoot!! I'm old enough to have seen the REAL Jim Morrison in the flesh. This morphing Jim really bears no resemblance and there has been a weird change to his lips.
Admittedly, when he died, we all had romantic notions that he'd staged his death blah blah blah.
I think the truth is that he was a heavy drinker, drug user, and had a death wish. Although the circumstances of his death may seem odd,as much as I'd like to believe he's alive somwhere, this guy isn't JIM.
joey



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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The morph is actually pretty good. I dont think its him though. BUT if it is he looks a hell of a lot better after all these years than one would imagine. If hes still in the states hes probably back in Northern Virginia which is where he is from originally(Arlington/Annandale). It would be very easy for him to live quite comfortably and still be anonymous here. Hmmm...Ill keep an eye out for Ol' Jim. Still..I do believe he faked his death and traveled the world. He most likely died of over indulgence anyways. The grave in Paris is either empty or its just not him.

Remember that Morrison was 6-2 and the coffin was around 5-8. Always a melodramatic idiot this sounds like his own bad poetry come to life. He probably always was living quite well off of fat royalty checks deposited into secret bank accounts. The Doors are still one of the best ever despite Morrisons inane attempts at poetry.



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 04:59 PM
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It would be good to get ol' Ray Manzarek, Robby Krieger or John Densmore over there and see if it could atually be the lizard king himself


Check out what they're saying over at the offical Doors website about this oldnew jimbob



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 02:26 AM
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A topic of research that I know something about.......

I am relatively sure that he was alive in 1985 or so, I've got some notes here somewhere...

Here is a portion of my notes,
This is the portion that continually gets deleted from wikipedia.org!!

After his Death - The Legend Continues

Stories of his "Resurection" Started almost immediately after his death, When The Bank of America "Allegidly" had dealings with a Jim Morrison. In 1975, "The Bank Of America of Louisanna" Was published by Zeppelin Publishing Co. (Supposedly Owned By William Casselbury - a Jim Morrison Nam-de-plume). The Opening words are ""This is the Story of The reappearance on earth of a dead hollywood rock star as super hippy, disguised as a miled mannered Louisiana banker. This book is based on fact, however, there is no warranty that this book is entirely as published herein totally factual, as certain things had to be changed such as names, because if I did not, I would find myself back into the courts. This is a novel novel, that is a phrase in which two words pronounced the same, is used first as an adjective and secondly as a noun. For purposes of judicial review this is a fiction"//Jim Morrison"

www.doors.com... Claims Author is WE Casselburry - Or that Morrison is Casselberry. (I read the book, There is a Casselberry mentioned but Authorship of the book is Morrison.)

"An American Prayer" 1984 (Zeppelin Publishing Co) ISBN 0-915628-46-5 under $10 (He mentions That Zeppelin has acquired Pams Estate, and thus his interest has been returned to his control --- Currious as His estate files suit against the Doors for Touring again and calling themselves The Doors)

The other two books published by Morison as of 1984 by Zeppelin Publishing Are: "Light my Fire" and IBM Oil"



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 04:54 AM
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I have done some extensive research, and employed top-notch computer imaging software to do an age-progression morph of Morrison:

www.topekadiy.com...

This leads me to believe that this Morrison discovered in Oregon is simply a very good look-alike. As Morrison would be about 60 years old.

If you read the clumsy and wierd narative on that website, it seems to me like the guy is being pretty slippery in the way he words things, as though he is covering his butt.

I suppose I could write a letter to Bill Clintons lawyer, claiming that I have the real Clinton under my bed, and unilaterally contracting that if they dont reply to deny it, then they are admitting that its true.
Why would anyone reply to such a letter? Certified letter or not?

However, Morrisons death IS an interesting conspiracy theory in and of itself.

Cheers!
Chrometuna



posted on May, 23 2005 @ 06:32 AM
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I don't buy the Paris Story - think that was the final "Act" for the myth-legend thing. (I can't convince myself that the Oregon guy is him - isn't old enough for one, and as much as I would like to say it looks like him - I don't think it realy does.)

If this thread continues on for a while, I'll post some of my other findings (If anyone is interested) for the conspiracy crew and we can open our books and see how he did it.

However, Even if he is alive and well somewhere He had a reason for doing what he did. Let him rest in peace - Seems to me that's about all he wanted - I don't figure that's too much to ask or to much to give him. After all, part of the fun with the whole thing is not knowing.



posted on May, 24 2005 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by dancer

If this thread continues on for a while, I'll post some of my other findings (If anyone is interested) for the conspiracy crew and we can open our books and see how he did it.



Let's dance dancer


Bring on your findings brother - published here - It's a conspiracy forum after all, so where better to air your thoughts on Mr. Mojo Risin'

"The hitchhiker stood by the side of the road and lifted his thumb in the cold calculus of reason."




posted on May, 25 2005 @ 10:59 PM
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OK; (I gotta do this in installments)

Act 1 - Before Death To Funeral -

Lets start with a some history - (Book referances are Hardback copies)

We know that Jim was very shy (Referance to his earliest performances - he wouldn't torn around to face the crowd) -

Question was he unable to face the public unless he was under the influence? (Don't know for sure, but think it may be likely)

Any Doors fan is aware that Pam was pushing Jim to Quit the band and become a poet. What is hinted at is that he was more than concidering it.

We know he was facing 6 Months in Jail (in Florida due to the infamous Miami Concert) - Currious note, Light my fire says 6 months in Raiford (Pg 339) Though Raiford is not a county jail - it's a state facility and to get there you gotta get over 1yr.

During his drive from FL to LA, he stopped and mailed a postcard to the Doors from New Orleans "Don't Worry; the end is near, Ha, Ha" The picture on the postcard was "The Sacrifice of the Divine Lamb" (Break on Through, Pg 418)

Misc Lyrics:
The End - "It hurts to sert you free, But you'll never follow ne"
Soft Parade - "I must find sanctuary, I must find a place to hide"

We know that even though he was always a heavy drinker, he had been drinking heavier - Before Paris. (As a known heavy drinker - could this have been an act - or part of the act?)

We know that his last album (LA Woman) was finished when he was away, and that they were hardly talking to each other when it was being made.
(Reference to the movie) Also, he said "I don't knopw who I am, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know what I want to do, I'm Gone...don't count on me, good-bye" (Break on through - pg 441)

It is belived (as I have not found any "Concrete proof"):
In the late nineteen sixties, Doors' singer Jim Morrison founded a publishing company named Zeppelin Publishing Company with the help of the legal department of Warner Brothers Pictures and Atlantic Records. According to promotions for Zeppelin, "Jim wanted to get his hands on the trademark 'Zeppelin' before Led Zeppelin did. He did this while everyone in America knew who the Doors were, but before the other rock group was well known..." Zeppelin Publishing Company was chartered and put into hibernation for later resurrection.

(If this is true, he could have easilly moved his money into this company so that he would have access to it at any time).

We know that he was in Paris, and apparently out of money - as Pam would call the Doors offices for money. (So by then His money must be have been put away nice and safe)

We also know that while he was in Paris, Pam and him were going on a trip, and had to cut the trip short to return to Paris. The reason is because Jim had lost his passport and had to get a replacement from the American Councelete in Paris. (No One here gets out alive pg 360 - HB)

(This would give him two passports, The new one to be left in Paris with a Body (if there was one), and one to return to the states with - all he had to do was to get out of the country before the story of his death broke).

We also know that while living in Paris, Pam was happy bacause he started cleaning up his act, Got a haircut, and started dressing better.
(Thus changing his appearance).

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Now, Jim at the time is 27 With some money, and living in Paris.
So, I question how hard would it be for him to get his hands on a cadaber (Donated to a college for research) IF he wanted one?

The death certificate would be fairly easy, as some Doctors have a few presigned laying around even today. (If it wasn't a legit signature on the DC who would know?)

Now, for the kicker, With this as concideration - he would have broken no law in the US (he was proported dead - he just never came forth and said "hey - I ain't dead" and I know of no law requiring anyone to do so.)

Besides, who looks for a dead man?

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His will (Dated Feb, 02 1969) Gives Everything to Pam.
How did he know he would be with her - esp. after their fights.

We know that Jim told Pam that he wanted to be Buried in Paris's Pere-Lachaise cemetery and that he visited the grave 3 days before his death.

We know that Pam was a Junkie, and she found the body.
(Was she so stoned that she just saw a body and Belived it to be his?)

We know that the only two people who saw the body were Pam and the Dr. Vasille who listed the cause of death as "heart failure", Dr. Derwin, stated to the press that "Jim Morrison was in excellent health before travelling to Paris". No autopsy was performed on Jim Morrison's corpse, as is the usual custom in unusual or suspect deaths in France.

By the time the Doors manager Bill Siddons flew to Paris to verify anything, The body was in a Closed Casket - IN Their Apartment. (Why wasn't it in the morgue, or a funeral parlor?)

We also know about the 3 day news delay regarding the death.

- Sure that part has always gotten a lot of attention, however, Jim was proported dead so often that the Doors would dismis it as a hoax. The only reason anybody went to Paris to confirm it was because It was one of the "Paris Crew" that called the office. So that would account for a day or two to make arangements and get to Paris from LA. Now, once there I figure that they wanted to get Jim Buried ASAP - Before creating a Media feeding Frenzy. (If I was involved with the decision - I would have played it the same way, it was the Smart move).

According to Densmore, the plot he was buried in was too small for Jim's tall body, and Ray Manzarek said "If there was one guy that would have been capable of staging his own death -- getting a phony death certificate and paying off some French doctor... And putting a hundred and fifty pound sack of sand into a coffin and splitting to some point on this planet -- Africa, who knows where -- it is Jim Morrison who would have been able to pull it off."


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(This is Recolection, as her site www.lizardqueen.com is currently down)According to Patricia the whole funeral cost was less than what she spent on Flowers during one visit (Around $200 USD).



posted on May, 25 2005 @ 11:20 PM
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WTG Dancer
Nice bit of reading that.



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