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Astronauts "Truth About UFOs"

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posted on May, 19 2005 @ 01:44 PM
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I would have to admit that i'm skeptical about "other" intelligent life in the cosmos, and as to visits to Earth by an E.T. i am highly skeptical. While doing some 'surfing' on the subject i found some great quotes by former astronauts who believe in E.T. visitations. As i try to keep an open-mind on the subject i thought i'd get that ATS perspective on this.


Astronaut Gordon Cooper and Ed Mitchell.

"The evidence points to the fact that Roswell was a real incident and that indeed an alien craft did crash and that material was recovered from that crash site, "says Mitchell, who became the sixth man on the moon in the Apollo 14 mission. Mitchell doesnt say hes seen a UFO. But he says hes met with high-ranking military officers who admitted involvement with alien technology and hardware. Cooper told a U.N. committee recently, "Every day in the U.S.A., our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us.", Cooper speculates that public skepticism toward UFOs will shift dramatically.



Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev

"It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disapeared completely. It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away. "-Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev commenting on a UFO siting that occured while en route to the Solyut 6 space station in April of 1979.



Astronaut Scott Carpenter

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs. "-Astronaut Scott Carpenter--Carpenter photographed a UFO while in orbit on May 24, 1962. NASA still has not released the photograph



Col. Gordan Cooper
For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. "-Colonel L. Gordon Cooper, Mercury and Gemini Astronaut, in an address to the UN in 1985 after announcing that he had seen and chased UFOs over Germany in the 1950s. Cooper also reported a greenish object which passed by his capsule going east to west (opposite normal man-made orbits) while in orbit in May of 1963. The object was tracked by ground-based equipment in Perth, Australia. The press was told it could not question Col. Cooper on this aspect of the mission.



Astronaut James McDivitt

"At one stage we even thought it might be necessary to take evasive action to avoid a collision. "-Astronaut James McDivitt commenting on an orbital encounter he and Ed White had with a "weird object" with arm-like extensions which approached their capsule. Later in the flight they saw two similar objects over the caribbean.



Astronaut Donald Slayton
"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high. As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going way from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared." -Donald Slayton, Mercury astronaut, in a 1951 interview.


There is much more here: http://j_kidd.tripod.com/b/226.html. I have linked my way around many 'like-minded' sites and had no idea how much was out there. However i have not searched for the de-bunkers yet.........anyway i'd like to hear your evidence or opinions.




posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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Because its true.

The astronauts and pilots stories all collaborate each other.
Just as witnesses on the ground have collaborated with each other during sightings.

At this point with all the evidence, it is only the small minds that can't possibly fathom that these sightings are true.
They will try to to tell you these astronauts/pilots are all experiencing "swamp gas" or some nonsense.

I suspect you don't need anyone to tell you this is all true.
You can feel that it is.

What it means to planet Earth is up to interpretation,
Perhaps none of us know what it really means, and the eventual implications, even the government.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:26 PM
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From kdx175
The astronauts and pilots stories all collaborate each other.
Just as witnesses on the ground have collaborated with each other during sightings.


Yeah i knew about the overwhelming amounts of "evidence". But the fact that these people saw these UFOs while in space. And their qualifications in the area of air/spacecraft lends further credibility to the claims(IMO). Versus the "average Joe" seeing something that they cannot identify.

I remember reading that some astronauts even saw craft on the Moon when they landed. Saying that they were clearly not from Earth.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:32 PM
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Supposedly, the code word for EBE's was 'Santa Claus' during the moon missions.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:36 PM
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This actually used to be one of those mobius strip nightmare things that used to drive me nuts.

Every debunker of extra-terrestrial life or just UFO's in general always says something along the lines of... "If there were proof or one credible witness I'd believe" or something along those lines, in my opinion it's tough to beat an astronaught in terms of someone credible enough to discern between an anomoly a plane a flare or an actual unknown craft.

Yet when you get a group of guys with Colonel, major or whatever in their title, especially those cold war folks who were completely hopped up on the propaganda of the day say these things it certainly made me stand up and take attention. Yet the debunkers would say no they got it wrong, they mis-identified something. Trained aviators mind you.

Now I just chalk it up to people really not wanting to know whats really going on out there or up there or whatever.

I'm not saying I believe everyone who says they've seen ufos or gone to brunch with their alien buddies, but these guys I believe.

Though I've since gone back on the fence about roswell.

Spiderj



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Still on the fence about Roswell huh. Have you read Gazrok's muti-post thread concerning 'The case for Roswell'?



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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You won't find any successful debunkers on this


I'd have to agree. Extraordinary comments by the absolute experts in the field, and pretty stellar (pardon the pun) witnesses. Pretty hard to debunk that.



Though I've since gone back on the fence about roswell.


Time to come off the fence....

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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From Spiderj
in my opinion it's tough to beat an astronaught in terms of someone credible enough to discern between an anomoly a plane a flare or an actual unknown craft.


That's exactly what i was thinking.

Here's a quote on the Moon sightings i mentioned above:ufocasebook.com...

According to hitherto unconfirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a carter during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.

According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:

NASA: What's there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11...

Apollo: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA," he revealed, "but nobody has talked about it until now."

Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm the incident. "According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it. "According to another Soviet scientist, Dr. Aleksandr Kazantsev, Buss Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Dr. Azhazha claims that the UFOs departed minutes after the astronauts came out on to the lunar surface.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:50 PM
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Hey there Dm,

Actually I didn't say I was still on the fence, I said I was back on the fence.

I've been through the looking glass on Roswell a number of times from believing to not believing to being on the fence.

Yes I read Gazroks post and as I think most people know around here Gazrok is one of the people I really respect on this sight, but yep, back on the fence.

I could go into a big whole spiel about my theory on roswell but I get enough grief for dragging threads off topic so won't go into it here.

SPiderj



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Fair enough then, all opinions welcome



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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I could go into a big whole spiel about my theory on roswell but I get enough grief for dragging threads off topic so won't go into it here.


Make it a new thread perhaps?



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 03:00 PM
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Yeah I've been thinking about that Gaz, but I wanna shore up a couple more facts on my theory before I do, again it'll still be a theory but I'm trying to get it fleshed out as much as possible before posting, just cuz it's sorta complimicated.

Anyhoo, the new avatar is hillarious by the way Gazrok.

Spiderj



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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Supposedly, the code word for EBE's was 'Santa Claus' during the moon missions.


Yep, I've heard that too, though on various missions, different incarnations of it..."St. Nick", "Father Christmas", "Santa's Sleigh", etc.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 03:26 PM
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Rren,

To me the Gordon and Mitchell testimony is irrefutable evidence.

In fact it was CNN's notice of death post on Cooper that got me back int UFOlogy earlier this year.

(I read it for the first time this year - it appeared a while back)

Because you have to look at two things

1) Why would these men or any famous specialists risk their reputations saying this??

(Cooper sure didn't make any money on these claims)

2) If they were really nut jobs why wouldn't NASA and their peers publicly denounce them??

I cannot find any reasonable reffutation to these two things.

If some fellow co-worker started making up B.S. about my employer to the press u better believe the Company and many of my co-workers would denounce them in a second.

Instead NASA chose to be completely quiet on the multitude of Astronaut testimonies hoping they would just fade away (a good pr strategy if you have something to hide - but a poor one if you want to maintain your honest reputation)

Clearly it is true.

You simply cannot dismiss the testimony of these (and many other) veteran professionals.

It may blow our mind - and we may just be seeing the tip of the iceberg - but denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

We must come to terms with the truth - how ever bizarre it may be - and its really is not bizarre it would be far more bizarre for space to be non populated.



[edit on 19-5-2005 by TruthMagnet]



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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Found a great site with all the Project Bluebook documents: Blue book archive.org

ERUPTION ON MOON SEEN BY SOVIET ASTRONOMER

MOSCOW (AP) A Soviet scientist Wednesday reported there was an eruption
in the mountains of the moon November 3rd. He said it prooved that the
moon was not ,\ dead celestial body.

Dr. N.A. Kozyrev told the Tiss News agency the Crimean Astrophysics
Laboratory witnessed the nearly double light intensity for 30 minutes in the
center of the inucn crater Alphonse. He said it began shortly after 3 AM.

Dr. A. A. Mikhailov of the Soviet Academy of Sciences commented that
Kozyrev''''s findings rule out the present views of the origin of the moon "and
demonstrate; the similarity of the moon and the earth processes"

Kozyrev, who is attached to Line''''ngrad''''s Uulkovo Observatory said
brilliant fiel-.i:> of carbon and carbor. compounds appeared simultaneously

in the spectrum after the phenomena ceased.....that is they appeared

and then after ihe "eruption ceased" the spectrum was "normal", .the crater
was as usual.


I'm no geologist but i'm pretty sure their has never been volcanic activity on the Moon


Found a more complete lis of Astronaut "sitings" here: www.qtm.net...

And a good list of pilot sightings here: www.ufoevidence.org...





posted on May, 19 2005 @ 05:29 PM
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The day the goverment tells us that the storys wher tru i will go HA EAT IT ALL YOU SKEPTICS OUT THER AND PUNCH ONE IN THE FACE!

[edit on 19-5-2005 by bloodlust11009]



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 05:43 PM
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How do we know that these people actuality said these thing?

I know that anyone can say that these people said it but I need proof.

Do any of you have video of these folks saying that they have seen ET?

Roper

[edit on 19-5-2005 by Roper]



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 06:05 PM
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The fact that even these astornauts say they have seen all these things does not give proof for Aliens, only evidence of their existance, remember that guys, anything that they say could have been something else.

Of course but people don't seem to know is that SOMETHING is obviously happening or happend, people have to know that these things are not explained by CURRENT science, and we should try to take these expert's word on it just to explore and belive that it should be explored.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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Roper,

I, like you, was skeptical about the sources for these astonaut testimonies.

That is until I read Coopers Obituary on CNN early this year.

www.cnn.com...

[Space pioneer Gordon Cooper dies
Cooper believed in UFO coverup
Monday, October 4, 2004 Posted: 9:44 PM EDT (0144 GMT)

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth," he told a United Nations panel in 1985.

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us." ]

How that for a source!??

And Ksnazdnzon,

He is clearly on record not only personally witnessing and filming UFO's in his military career, but to actually stating that they are KNOWN to be extraterrestrial AND it is being covered up.

Other, somewhat less verifiable sources, even quoted Cooper as saying that an associate of his assisted an alien in taking up residence on Earth.

Over a 4 year time period.

and Dr. Edgar Mitchell who walked on the moon still publicly testifies that we are in contact with alien currently.

Now why is NASA silent on all this??

Methinks they do protest too little in these cases.

So your assertion that all parts of the U.S. government sre in the dark regarding UFO phenomenna seems a little naive in light of these documented, verified, testimonies of veteran Astronauts.

If one were to do significant research I imagine onewould find most of the cosmonaut testimonies on the internet to be equally accurate and documented.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Roper
How do we know that these people actuality said these thing?

I know that anyone can say that these people said it but I need proof.

Do any of you have video of these folks saying that they have seen ET?

I've got a video tape of Cooper that I will try to capture and post over the weekend for you. I also have one of Mitchel but I think he said he did not see any UFO's but know people who have.







 
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