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Is Star Wars III Anti-Bush?

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posted on May, 19 2005 @ 10:34 PM
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I dont think this has any intetional political message, other than the political message it had since day 1, and that was in 1977, so i think people are reading too much into it. Star Wars has always had elements of certain parts of history in it if you look closely enough, the republic= rome and those days also parts of us gov. jedi knights= similiar to king arthur's knights of the round table. etc. just enjoy it! its the last one
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posted on May, 20 2005 @ 08:24 AM
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I think that we can draw a few parallels with the stuff that is going on in the real world.

For example - the separatist droid general retreats to planet Mustafar, and there is a big battle going on there.

Mustafar? Sounds very Arabic, dont you think? Like a city in Middle East.

Why would mister Lucas choose this arabic name for a planet, when he can choose just about any other "space name"?

Strange stuff...

Anyway, today I think its a Great movie - the best of the this new triology.

But its NOT the old Star Wars - still the best for me is The Empire Strikes Back.

And this Episode is very similar - the Evil wins and the Good has to run and hide, in order to survive.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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MoveOn.org is embracing the comparison by running new ads comparing Senate Republicans to the Empire:




George Lucas may not endorse it, but the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org is summoning the Force to help preserve the Senate filibuster.

In a new television campaign to be launch this week, MoveOn is drawing parallels between "Star Wars: Episode III The Revenge of the Sith" and the partisan battle over the confirmation process for federal judges. The television spots will compare the film's plot, specifically the intergalactic power grab by Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, with the rise of Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.).

LA Times



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
MoveOn.org is embracing the comparison by running new ads comparing Senate Republicans to the Empire:

Nice find!



We don't think 'Star Wars' is a political movie made by George Lucas to prove our point, but it helps to illuminate what's going on," said Ben Brandzel, the advocacy director for MoveOn's political action committee. "The timing is uncanny."



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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What's sad is the GOP admits the movie is evil/anti-Bush by trying to get the rating bumped up from pg-13 to R because it attacks the GOP/Bush.

Also, Bush thinks he has power, like Anakin thinks he does, but really the senator, Cheney does.

But yes, so sad the GOP hates the movie. Think maybe the plans they had have been exposed?



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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Star Wars has parallels to our society generaly, I don't think it was Lucas' intention to attack an individual.
Good against evil, good becoming evil, dictators, evil lords, it is the ever-returning story of human existence. Artists do that, a criticism of our way of life through fiction.
Think of Orwell's 1984, a criticism of socialist society at the time it was written. Today we see parallels with our own way of life and where we are heading.

Star Wars ideas are from the 70s, yet some things from that time are repeating today.

Or think of Matrix, a representation of our dream-like passive life, satisfied with mediocre illusion of conformity.


Apart from all that deep philosophy, Star Wars is... well Star Wars!! Jedi, Joda, heroes, cool stories we grew up with when there was no thinking about GOP, Bush, republicans, democrats; cool special effects, hours of FUN! So enjoy it, damnit!


On a side note: it is interesting how REPUBLICANS have recognized their leader in the evil description and are now whining about it... why, I wonder, do they make this parallel if it isn't true? Why are they so upset?



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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All movies are a reflection of the political atmosphere of the times....

Look at remakes of classics....They're made in a different style b/c the changes of the tides....

Having seen the movie, I noticed the overtones as I watched it....But then again, that's also what the whole series is about....I can understand why Lucas would laugh away these accusations...

The media these days has turned into an overflowing toilet bowl requiring more than one flush....Here's yet another example of one foul wind streaming down our corridors....



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 07:12 PM
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First off, star wars ep. 3 is a great movie! Really have to agree that it is the best of the new trilogy.

Secondly, i really think it is a discusting and pathetic attempt by the dems to compare the bush admin. to star wars. It would be like the Gop saying that because anakin killed the kids, that the dems are evil and are a paralell to the empire because they embrace abortion.

see what i mean it is ridiculus,
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posted on May, 20 2005 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Anyways, on the news, just saw video of GOP leaders going on about how Lucas/SW3 is attacking the Bush Administration and the film must be stopped. How? Trying to raise the rating from pg-13 to R to keep more people from seeing it. SO sad the GOP considers it a threat/attack on Bush.

The title of the news thingy? Darth Bush.


Do you guys hear the world's smallest violin playing?

Why's the GOP so worried? Are they afraid the sheeple might wake up or something?

Darth Bush! That's a good one!


I'm wondering...what character(s) would represent the third parties here? Like Constitution Party...?



posted on May, 21 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
For example - the separatist droid general retreats to planet Mustafar, and there is a big battle going on there.

Mustafar? Sounds very Arabic, dont you think? Like a city in Middle East.

Why would mister Lucas choose this arabic name for a planet, when he can choose just about any


Lucas must have a good reason to use that Arabic or Turkish name for that hellish, volcanic planet. It may not have to do with the name being Arabic/Turkish but there's a contextual meaning to the name. My Google search keep turning up references to Ottoman Turk rulers, Kemal Ataturk (the founder of modern Turkey) and so on but nothing on the original, contextual meaning.


So far not a single negative protest from the Arabic world over the use of the name for the hellish, volcanic planet.



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 01:04 AM
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I think that Star Wars: Episode III has many similarities to what is happening right now in the real world, but I think that these comments relating to the Arabic naming may not be so true. As I understand, this story was written many years ago, before this war was ever started, so I don't think there is a direct correlation between the naming and reasons for this film, and what is happening right now during this war. I think that it is more of a coincidence.



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 03:57 AM
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I dunno if the planet issue is a smart pursuit. In all fairness, can you find meaning to Kashyyk, Alderan, Coruscant, Hoth, Naboo, Tattooine? I don't remember the other dozens of them, but was there a logic to the names of the planets?



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 04:20 AM
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I do not know if Star wars was anit-bush per se. There did seem to be some similarities, that were hard to dismiss.


Overall though, I want to take this space, and opportunity to say that , I think that movie sucked Asss!!! As someone who saw the original in a drive-in, I can honestly say that this latest installment, was the worst of all.

It was like a video game with a handful of live actors..

That movie was horrible.

"Worst star wars ever !"-Raves -"Comic Book Guy"

IMHO.

[edit on 22-5-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
Overall though, I want to take this space, and opportunity to say that , I think that movie sucked Asss!!! As someone who saw the original in a drive-in, I can honestly say that this latest installment, was the worst of all.

"Worst star wars ever !"-Raves -"Comic Book Guy"
[edit on 22-5-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]


Tell 'em Steve-Dave..

I'm sorry you didn't appreciate the movie. I honestly view this as the "orgasm" of this trilogy. Mainly because we all knew this would be pretty non-stop action. We also knew this would have to hit the ground running. And Ian McDermid and Ewan McGregor (Who is the best actor in all of the movies) had very tremendous roles. The cardboard couple at least looked like they tried to act in this one. And I view this as in my top three. I need to see it one more time though to be sure...but my ranking looks like this...

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Phantom Menace (Liam Neeson was the best Jedi ever...even though I think the movie sucked...)
6. Attack of the Clones (Only because of the cardboard lovers)



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 01:38 PM
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Here is the moveon.org ad: Save the Republic



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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Personally, I love going to movies to escape from the garbage that takes over our lives. A little escapism is always a good thing, especially in today's world with so much political crap going on, and so much bad news coming to us from all directions.

The Star Wars franchise was a man's vision 30 years ago. It was meant to be fantasy with pieces of reality in it. Pure fantasy doesn't reach people the way it does when you throw some realistic aspects into it. Reviewing the history of the Roman empire could clue us all in on common themes that show up in Ep. III as well. It doesn't have to be about today all the time. Are there parallels? Perhaps.

But I really do not think that Lucas, a man who has battled tooth and nail against movie studios and even fans to keep his vision from being adulterated in any way, would alter his entire story to take digs at Bush. No way. Research the man, he is absolutely relentless in his quest to keep his vision intact. People HATED the fact that he portrayed Anakin as a child because he was supposed to be evil, not a sweet boy. But he didn't care, he took the knocks, but he kept to his vision. Would he alter his storyline to slap politicians? Nope. I don't see it.

Oh and OxMan, I'm with you... how cool would a film be with Neeson and MacGregor portraying Qui Gon and Obi Wan in their adventures as Jedis pre-Episode 1. I'd buy that.



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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I'm sorry if someone has already said this, but I havn't read the whole thread (my main reason for posting I admit is to show off my spangly new avatar
).. But if anyone is complaing (that is pro Bush) that the film is having a go at what has happened recently, isn't that basically an admission of guilt if you like?



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 08:42 PM
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Agent Smith, that is the funniest part! The GOP itself is trying to get the rating bumped up because they say it attacks Bush/exposes the GOP plan for the future!



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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The fact that the GOP deems the movie anti bush says something, because they were the one who accused it of being Anti-bush before bush was ever in the administration. What I mean is that the film is about how democracy becomes a dictatorship and was created before Bush's time. So this says something about Bush i guess...



posted on May, 22 2005 @ 08:54 PM
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I don't think it's really the Republicans who are saying this, it's left wingers.



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