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Originally posted by spamandham
So now it's Javier Solana? How many antichrists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just one, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to show up.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
A cardinal, the Times of London has suggested is a possible successor to
John Paul II as Pope, has warned that the Antichrist may already be
among us -- but not seem evil to many.
I bet he probably has...
More 'clues' at the site. When you read other comments by
Cardinal Biffi, you get the impression that he has met the man.
Originally posted by RebelSaint
Here he is. I have seen the face of evil and it is found here
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
sorry, its old news about solana. It seems everyone but spongebob has gotten tagged as the AC
Candidates for the Antichrist have been men in virtually all positions of public influence, the most frequent modern candidates: Charles Prince of Wales, Napoleon Bonaparte, Bill Gates, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, John Lennon, Nelson Mandela, various Popes or the Roman Catholic Church, the World Council of Churches, the European Union and recent Presidents of the United States. Some have taken seriously the suggestion made by the Left Behind series, that the Antichrist may be the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Since the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, theories about Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or George W. Bush being the Antichrist have been put forward. In addition, apocalyptic Christians such as Herb Peters and Constance E. Cumbey point to Javier Solana. This claim echoes the plot of the Left Behind novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. Most recently, the pro-Falun Gong newspaper The Epoch Times has claimed the Beast to be the Chinese Communist Party.
In addition certain occultists and Satanists have proclaimed themselves to be the Antichrist, including Aleister Crowley and John Whiteside Parsons.
didn't Michel de Nostredame say it would be MABUS, and he would come as a false prophet from the middle east ? I'm still waiting for that guy
[edit on 23-9-2005 by syrinx high priest]
Originally posted by Dallas
Interesting but I'm not sure about the choice or who the anti-Christ was, is or maybe.
But in Cacholic terms the anti-christ exists. Father Malikey Martin said he knew but would ot release the name or place of birth. He also refused to share his finalanti-christ information thoughts to his Parish Bishop just before he passed on.
Originally posted by Machination
Dont know who he will be, but I do know that the Anti-christ will come out of Iran, emerging from within the Jewish community there.
Weeellll...Hello there, Willow Dryad! I'm so glad to see you!
Originally posted by Willow_Dryad
First of all I would like to say that this is just my ideas on a possible interpretation. I dont hold the bible to be accurate, and my interpretation may be wrong.
My thoughts on the seven heads are that they represent the dynasties of world rule, starting with Egypt, then Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome. Then there is the current worldly ruler of (perhaps) capitalism and/or the UN and/or global trade (I don't know what I'd call it, I'm just not sure.) This could be the seventh, with the sixth fitting in there as the previous millenia which began with Constantine's christianity and ended with the reformation.... That actually fits the timeline of human social awareness, so hmmmm...
Regarding Revelation 13. Firstly we are told about the first beast with 7 heads that arises from the sea, one of the heads had a death-stroke which yet lived. I propose the 7 heads of this beast to represent world religions. 5 that were, one that is, and one to come (at the time of writing, Islam did not exist, and Christianity - the one that is, was well and truly corrupted). Judaism is the head that recieved the death stroke, but yet lived. The horns could be significant world leaders throughout the ages.
I do not believe that ANY other system upon earth could blaspheme God in the way that Revelation 13:5 talks about, other than religion.
Underneath all government there is the perpetual current of religion. I read an excellent quote today regarding that, but I can't remember where..
Governments ultimately care about themselves, they may well say and do things in the name of their god, but ultimately they dont carry the same weight as religions do.
Fighting wars, committing the most disgusting crimes, hiding behind their god so they can molest children and turn their lives into living hell... no political system can do this to the degree religion can.
Agreed. The first beast is man (Adam gave up his sovreignity over the earth to the 'serpent') and the image of that beast is the made-up gods that religion creates according the petty short-sightedness of man, himself.
Religion has had authority over the entire earth. Its 42 months are over though; people now do not have to worship it they can choose not to and not be killed. This was not the case before. However, the image of the beast excercises the same authority of the first beast.
Do you ever consider that perhaps the holy spirit (as the 'ghost' of Christ's soul?) was the second coming?
Now, I think that Christ's second coming occured when he said it would, in the generation of his disciples. He arrived to judge Jerusalem, and the Romans destroyed the temple. I have no evidence though to back this up, so its purely theory.
No, I think you're on it--I think the 'abomination of desolation' has been the state of the last '42 months', aka 'the times of the gentiles'--without God in any earthly temple, all religion, then, is basically idolatry. Mankind (in general) tends to discredit the reality within him, preferring not to believe what has been shown (to some) as proof that God is within us.
Onto the mark of the beast. The beast that gives the mark is not one of the original 7, it is another one that creates an IMAGE of the beast, that all should worshp. It would be a REPLICA of Judaism. It would not be Judaism though, can you think of an organisation that exists like that? This would be the Abomination that causes Desolation... the disgusting thing standing in a holy place. Has this happened? Either I have interpreted this wrong, or it has not happened, or is in the process of happening.
I think for the most part, it is reliable, just very poorly understood as to it's true purpose. The bible is taken by most to be literal when it is figurative, while missing the allegorical lessons about things that can only be truly explained allegorically--things not seen must be explained through metaphorical use of things seen, to those who only perceive the reality of material existence.
I seriously dont think that chips will be the mark of the beast. Its too obvious. I do believe that people will always push prophecy to mean what they want it to, people want to be remembered throughout history, and some dont care if its good or bad. In fact, people are more likely to be remembered if they commit evils. I think that if there ever was a mark, we either have already been marked and dont know it, or will be and wont know it. It could also be edited text in the bible, inaccurate.
I think the word, itself--'prophesy', has been greatly mutated over the course of a few millenia, as far as what it actually means. The word 'prophet' comes from a Hebrew word which means 'to bubble forth.' A prophet was originally regarded not just as a prognosticator (as is the case these days) but as someone who could articulate to man what God was sending. God doesn't send us thoughts in any language--language is for the purpose of human communication, only--and I think that has something to do with the nature of 'original sin' as far as the tree of the knowledge's fruit. The written spoken word is both good and evil--and if a word spoken makes permanent impact on the fabric of the universe, through sound waves, then it only follows (to me, at least) that the predecessor of a spoken word (which is a thought or unspoken word) would also leave some sort of impact on the energy we call reality.
People need to remember that prophecy is rarely correctly interpreted before it happens, its not until afterwards it becomes apparant. ITs also possible that the prophecies are lies, added to the texts by people with an agenda, or parts have been altered/taken away.
That's right, there is no definite article before the word in the Greek, which is actually more than one different word, translated as 'antichrist' and in some newer translations, has morphed into 'the Antichrist.'
So the antichrist could already be here, may have been and gone, or may not even be born yet. The bible does not explicitly say there is AN antichrist, but many.
Only if we're doing it ourselves!
There is mention of a significant person, who goes above and beyond what his predecessors did... he even intends to Change Times and law I suspect this is significant... (Daniel 7:25) Maybe there is no antichrist, and there was no christ. There are people in control, and have been since the beginning. Maybe we are just being taken for a ride.
I think so.
Everything has been planned, and people are just grasping at straws.