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Whats The Deal With Subz? (from ATSNN)

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posted on May, 19 2005 @ 09:26 AM
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oh, apologies kenshiro. I did misunderstand your post. Makes sense now, thanks for the clarification




posted on May, 22 2005 @ 01:08 AM
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What i don't understand is that the same things you Subz, are claiming to be a victim of, you have done in the past, yet you seem to be claming to be the only victim here.

No matter what you tell us on how many American programs you watch, and that you hold the US with utmost respect for some of the things done in the past, your bias towards the US shows through.

I have lived in Europe and I have seen people who listen to American music, dress in jeans and have adopted parts of the "American way of life" to also have a bias against the US to the point of irrationality.

There have been threads where the US had nothing to do with the topic, and you have jumped in and claimed is all the US fault, and this seems to be happening more and more to the point that now seems to be almost a daily issue with you. Although you are not the only one who does this.

You are trying to play the victim here, but those same actions which you are claming to be a victim of, and that others have done to you, you have done them yourself.

Some members, including you, want to call us Republicans, "warmongers", "to be working for the US government", "to be in the party line with the US govenrment", "being sheeple who can't see the truth", "being cowards" and a whole bunch of other names and titles, some of which you have used yourself; yet you want to be able to say all these things and more, but when someone points to your bias and that you are not seeing everything that is happening because of this bias, you want to jump in and claim that your rights are being abused?.....


As many of you know, i was born and lived in a communist country (Cuba) until I was about 7-8 years old. I then lived in Spain, a socialist/democratic government, which even thou had many good things, we were not treated as the natives and went through many hardships because we were not born in Spain. I have seen entire Cuban families living under bridges in Spain, and my parents and I had to live in places where you would not even put a criminal to live in, and this was because my parents were not given good jobs in Spain because of our immigration status.

Socialist countries are great for their native people, but immigrants are not really treated in the same manner as those born in those countries. Unless they have rich families living there, or already have a degree, have someone who were able to give them a good job.

My parents and I came to the US when I was 17 years old, and this has been the only country that provided what we needed, I was given several choices, and I was given a future. If i was still living in Spain, my education wouldn't have gone any higher than high school, and i would be having low paying jobs if any at all.

The US is the only country that truly provided for us, so if i get defensive when someone bashes and blames the country that provided a future for my family and me, is in part because of this.

But, this is not the only reason why i defend my point which differs from yours and other members in these forums.

I have also noticed that quite a few members do not want to see the whole picture, and prefer to ignore and deny any information and evidence that puts the US in a lighter note, instead of "being the cause of all the problems and evils in the world."

Something else that I have noticed is that many of these same members, who believe every report given by the US liberal media, have proclaimed many times in the past that the US media is owned and controlled by the US government. But when the same US media comes up with a story blaming the US government they want to believe every word printed, even thou quite a few of those stories have been found later on to be false, or not to present all the pertinent information.


CONCLUSION

First of all, this same topic has come up many times in the past. We even had people who wanted to do a "witch hunt" against Republicans and anyone that doesn't see their side of the story and have their own opinion appart from the "consensus" of what seems to be many members of ATS and ATSNN.

Second, you want to play the victim for the same things that you have done in the past, and because there are members who can see your bias against the US despite your claims to the contrary.

You want to be able to say anything you want to, but you also want noone to respond to your posts when we see a bias and when we see that not all the information is being given or even considered.

Third if you want to have respect, you should show respect to others first. And this site is all about the truth is it not? Not about political motivations, or the party line. We have many people with different opinions, quite a few who don't agree with yours, yet you are using this to try to stop people from posting their own opinions when in many cases you have done the same thing?





[edit on 22-5-2005 by Muaddib]





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