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PETA Gets to Your Kids

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posted on May, 28 2005 @ 10:10 PM
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"quote: Animal testing has saved millions of people, nothing wrong with it.

I disagree"

Wait, you disagree it has saved millions, ot that there is nothing wrong with it?


I disagree that there is nothing wrong with it! Also 'saved millions' is rather vague and grand claim on its own. The value/cost of 'saving' some human life is also questionable.

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by iori_komei



There is a reason why God put animals on this earth, figured it out yet, oh yeah, so they can be eaten!!!! Sure fruits and vegetables are all nice and dandy, but you do need meat!!


Not all of us beleive in a deity, so thats not a very valid argument unless your of a monotheistic religion that beleives in creationism.

We do not need meat, there are vitamin supplements that can be taken to replace what meat contains.





Well actually animals were not to be eaten until after the flood..... but God told us we can after the flood, and we have every right to. And it doesnt matter what religion you are, Christianity and Judaism are still true.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by StarBreather

Originally posted by cw034
Struting about with dead animal carcasses, scaring children into believing everything is bad and humilating those that don't believe in their ways is nothing more than strong arm tactics.

Why can't you live with dead animals, the consequences of your actions? Are you afraid to SEE? The truth has never hurt anyone. Go back to your cave, eat your plateful of dead creatures, and get out of the way.


Sorry, but that makes no sense. I see what I need to see, and I know what I need to know from the word of God, and I dont need anything more. You, on the other hand, need to see. I try my best to pray for people like you.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:04 PM
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And it doesnt matter what religion you are, Christianity and Judaism are still true.


Well, thats your opinion, and seems conceided to tell the truth.
Just because you think your religion is the truth, does'nt mean it is, and a great amount of people would disagree with that, myself included.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:20 PM
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I have a friend who dog shows. She also does dog rescue. She is a huge proponent of pediatric spay and neuter and will NOT place a dog/cat without being altered first. She is a contact for the pound and they call her when they get certain kinds of dogs in for her to place directly. So, this is a person that cares alot about animals. As many people who dog show do

She has to put padlocks on her crates at dogs shows. She cannot leave the dogs in her camper(airconditioned) as it is too dangerous. You know where the danger comes from? PETA. They are terrible about going to dog shows and setting the dogs "free". Nevermind when they are "free" they are very likely to go get squished on the road.

The group is not a group looking to help animals. They have agendas to push and it isn't for the animals. If they were so worried about the animals. they would be doing dog and cat rescue. Fostering them in their homes, funding spay and neuter clinics, funding good pet ownership services

No, they are against ones rights to have an animal as a pet. I don't want them creeping around my kids. They are not a benevolent group. They are terrorist. As seen by a close friend of mine of 20 years.

(I don't dog show, but I do have dogs and horses as pets)



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Well actually animals were not to be eaten until after the flood..... but God told us we can after the flood, and we have every right to. And it doesnt matter what religion you are, Christianity and Judaism are still true.


I've never heard that said in the bible.

Although Christianity and Judaism may be true, what kind of Christian harshly judges others beliefs?

As it says in the Holy bible,
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

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posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:04 PM
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I am completely speechless. How in the hell did this turn into a religious debate? This is a thread about PETA's use of scare tactics in pushing their agenda. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion. Is this really how sad the world has become? We need to bring religion into everything? I'm almost ashamed to call myself human at this point.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by JadeRio


Well actually animals were not to be eaten until after the flood..... but God told us we can after the flood, and we have every right to. And it doesnt matter what religion you are, Christianity and Judaism are still true.


I've never heard that said in the bible.

Although Christianity and Judaism may be true, what kind of Christian harshly judges others beliefs?

As it says in the Holy bible,
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

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Genesis 9

1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the air, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you;"

Also, about judging.... I am not judging them. I only know they are not true and I just told them that they are wrong and that I pray for them. Thanks for the criticism though, I have only been a Christian 6 months yet and I want all the help I can get to be a better Christian.



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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PETA doesn't fund ELF, so who is actually a "radical." Most PETA people are basically more decent than most.

PETA people don't "set dogs free" to run around and get run over either. They are against the cruel treatment of animals remember. You might try doing some real research on these groups.

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Scorpio Shaping Flow]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 11:43 PM
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Sigh! Nobody gives a sh*t if god said eat em or not! Those more sensible among Peta folk, who can remember what it was supposed to be about, dont care either! For those who are so wowed by the organisations fruitcakes, ill refresh your memory.
The issue/s is NOT weather or not anyone should eat Animals !
Ill repeat that...

THE ISSUE IS NOT Weather or not Folk Should Eat Animals!

The issue is, as the Name suggest, "ETHICAL TREATMENT" of those Animals!

Complications with this simple idfea occure when the more extreme members of Peta suggest whitewash solution to the whole problem, I.E
Not eating Animals at all. The thinking behind that is that as our population grows, so too does the demand for avail food animals.
This means that we must come up with evermore intensive and as a result, cruel farming methods to supply that demand.
Still with me?
So, those more extreme Peta members figure if we, as a race, quit eating animals, these cruel intensive farming methods would no longer be ness.
Of course they also beleive that farmland used to raise meat animals could be better used to grow crops (and there right sadly) Also that growing crops is less damaging to the land than hoofed animals grazing (right again) which inspires the greenies to say, "hey yeah, soil erosian etc etc, caused by hoofed animals grazing leads to...." and so on it goes.
Ofcourse, realistically, we will always eat animals, and as a consequence, those animals will suffer (intensive farming).
THe more realistic Peta folk simply advodcate, EAting LESS meat, since if we all eat less, less demand, less need for cruel farming.
Issues of health etc are neither here nor there.
Sadest part of it all, is that Peta extremist, cloud the minds of reasonable intelligent folk, and turn them into gibbering idiots chanting about tasty animals ect, while the real meaning of the org and ther realistic and sensible ask of The more mature Peta are ignored.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:03 AM
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Also, about judging.... I am not judging them. I only know they are not true and I just told them that they are wrong and that I pray for them. Thanks for the criticism though, I have only been a Christian 6 months yet and I want all the help I can get to be a better Christian.


Thank you for quoting Genesis. I appreciate you taking the time to find that quote for me.

I was not trying to critisize you, however when you tell people their beliefs are wrong, and that yours are right it appears judgemental, and is insulting to them. My advice to you would be to remember that other people are as passionate about their beliefs as you are about yours.
Please remember that we must respect other peoples religions/beliefs whether we think there right or wrong. Do not ever give up your beliefs.




Obsidian,
It was not my intention to annoy you or turn this thread into a religious debate.
I was simply trying to help a fellow Christian. I apologize if I offended anyone.


[edit on 30-5-2005 by JadeRio]



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:20 AM
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I am completely speechless. How in the hell did this turn into a religious debate?

Some woman talking about how god put animals on Earth for us to eat.




It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion.

Yep, your right, it does'nt.




Is this really how sad the world has become? We need to bring religion into everything?

Unfortunately yes, a good chunk of the time.




I'm almost ashamed to call myself human at this point.

Almost? I became ashamed to do so before I could walk.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:35 AM
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interesting that religion has no place in a conversation about wether it is ok for human to eat meat. to be honest it is little differant than thosde people pushing their beliefs on others, like telling everyone that they shouldn't eat meat for eample. both are beliefs held by individuals. so why not? you may not believe in the religion, i don't believe in the not needing to eat animals. there is very little differance between them.

i believe the verse was brought up to reason that God has seen fit to GIVE us animals to use as food. so why a problem with it? it is just looking at the situation from a religious tanding. there was no attempt to try to tell you that YOU MUST BELIEVE in God. meanwhile there i a constant undertone that WE MUST NOT EAT ANIMAL FLESH BECAUSE IT IS WRONG.

like has been stated over and over, oganizations such as peta go WAY TOO FAR in their attempts to "educate" others to the "evils" of anything that affects animals. the very fact that many peta members would put animal's rights and needs ahead of human rights and needs is ludicris at best.

someone has mentioned that we have no need to eat meat NOW as there are uppliments that we can take instead. hmm now how were these supliments tested to make sure that they would be benifical and not harmfull for human consumption? also by buying these supliments you are supporting the very pharmasuitical companies that do animal testing. interesting that isnt it? personaly i have a distrust of these companies so i prefer not to have to take something that i can get by haveing meat as a part of my diet. less chances of them slipping something unkown in with the suppliment.

mmm fried squirl for supper yum.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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mmm fried squirl for supper yum.



Whats a squirl?



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by JadeRio


Also, about judging.... I am not judging them. I only know they are not true and I just told them that they are wrong and that I pray for them. Thanks for the criticism though, I have only been a Christian 6 months yet and I want all the help I can get to be a better Christian.


Thank you for quoting Genesis. I appreciate you taking the time to find that quote for me.

I was not trying to critisize you, however when you tell people their beliefs are wrong, and that yours are right it appears judgemental, and is insulting to them. My advice to you would be to remember that other people are as passionate about their beliefs as you are about yours.
Please remember that we must respect other peoples religions/beliefs whether we think there right or wrong. Do not ever give up your beliefs.




Obsidian,
It was not my intention to annoy you or turn this thread into a religious debate.
I was simply trying to help a fellow Christian. I apologize if I offended anyone.


[edit on 30-5-2005 by JadeRio]



Thanks. I know what you mean, I sometimes turn people away from Christianity when I try to convince them that it's right. lol.
However, PETA should not be educating children. Children are not the government's property to be influenced, instead the parents should teach their kids how to behave as adults. Also, PETA funds ELF, it is fact. Animals are not people, and even if a person kills a thousand animals, you have no right to kill or even hurt him. Two wrongs dont make a right.

Romans 12:19 "Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." 20 No, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. "



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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I do not agree with your quotes and they should NOT be part of your opinion because they are unlogical and based on a book.

If you are a christian, that's cool.. but don't push it on others or think your being intellegent by using sentences from a book as a justification. I understand you have faith, that's cool.. but leave it alone when it comes to discussion not based on faith? Okay.

Anyways, I am all for the ethical treatment of animals. Animals can feel pain, animals can have feelings, no they are not on the same "level" as humans, but they still feel pain. Insects do not count, they don't have the kind of brains to feel any pain, and when they are killed they are squished and only live a few days anyways. Fish are on the line, between.

But, I do understand meat is part of our diet naturally, and we are naturally omnivores and if a cow can live a nice life grazzing in the feilds, and we kill it quickly.. The cow doesn't have the intellegence to actually mind at all. We get steak, and cow lives a boring cowlike life.

Basicly, I am totally against any kind of torture or pain for sport, but eating meat is naturally part of our diet. So if we don't torture the animals in a factory before we eat them, I have don't have problem with eating a nice steak.

Oh, and don't give me any garbage about you can't see a dead animal, you take the responsibility of eating the animal and realize what your supporting and eating. If a bolt gun is used, it will quickly kill the animal. You should be able to see that if your going to eat the meat in the first place, this means your old enough to take responsibility though, an adult.

Anyways, I love meat, but if you touch my cat I will boil you alive.



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 03:07 PM
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I love meat too.... and I have a cat I like a lot, but I'd give a more humane death to anybody who touches it as opposed to boiling them alive..... lol. Maybe I'll break your neck. But anyways, God is my life, alright? There is nothing illogical about what I quoted. God gave us the bible (by having people write it down with His help) as a guide to life.
Anyways, I do not believe in being cruel to animals. They should be slaughtered in the most humane way possible, which is either bolt gun, shooting, or kosher slaughter (Bleeding to death does not hurt. The only pain they get is from the cut on the neck, which really isnt that bad. Bleeding in itself doesnt cause pain.)
I just have a problem with PETA organisation, which, if you look at their website, is against eating meat. I dont believe in being wasteful with animals or anything else, the Bible says not to be wasteful with animals too. Fur coats are okay to me however, because God gave Adam and Eve to wear after they got kicked out of the Garden of Eden.
Genesis 3:21 "And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them."



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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I have a friend in PETA and she believes that all cows should be put to death. Why? Because they overgraze the land for indiginous(sp) species. That kind of logic just makes no sense to me.

And yeah, PETA members DO set dogs free at dog shows. It may not be a directive given publicly, but there are factions that do this. My friend has been at shows that it has happened at. Here dogs weren't set loose, but they were announcing it over the PA that it was happening and for everyone to immediately check on their dogs

It is a radical group that goes way beyond its initial principles. I rank radical PETA members up there with radical anti abortionists. Most who are pro life aren't going to harm ANYONE, but those that bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors make the whole lot look like psychos.

PETA to me is equivalent to the radical anti abortionists who have horrific fetus images on the sides of tractor trailers going down the interstate, or have awful dead fetuses on picket signs. I have never been so mad at a group than I was the day my kids were in the car with me and one of those semi's passed me, one of my kids CRIED from the horror. THAT is wrong to do to a 4 year old.

It is equally wrong to send people with a similar mindset, aka PETA in to educate children on how to treat animals. My children ARE good to animals of all kinds. Kindness should be shown to everything and everyone. PETA does NOT give that message



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 06:38 PM
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I know exactly what you mean. I am totally for organizations that shelter animals that owners dont want, etc. I also dont believe in wastefulness of hunted food, either. It's just that PeTA is a bunch of extremist wackoes that think that animals are sentient beings and should not be eaten. They all say their eyes were "opened" by evolution, and they believe evolution. Evolution is contradictory to vegetarianism. If evolution were true (and itsnot lol), species have evolved to eat other species, and we would just be one of those species that eats others. These people are hypocrites. Next time you see one, try to help them, not hurt them. If you do, you may just make the world one person better.


And BTW, humans are not animals lol. also, animals are not on the same level as humans and are here to serve us.

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posted on May, 30 2005 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by DanD9
I know exactly what you mean. I am totally for organizations that shelter animals that owners dont want, etc. I also dont believe in wastefulness of hunted food, either. It's just that PeTA is a bunch of extremist wackoes that think that animals are sentient beings and should not be eaten. They all say their eyes were "opened" by evolution, and they believe evolution. Evolution is contradictory to vegetarianism. If evolution were true (and itsnot lol), species have evolved to eat other species, and we would just be one of those species that eats others. These people are hypocrites. Next time you see one, try to help them, not hurt them. If you do, you may just make the world one person better.


And BTW, humans are not animals lol. also, animals are not on the same level as humans and are here to serve us.

[edit on 30-5-2005 by DanD9]


Wow, Humans are animals.
Wow, And Evolution is true.

Before making an opinion on those topics, I'd suggest you read the scientific evidence, and mabye visit the science forum. They debate evolution there all the time.

Just because Humans are animals though, doesn't mean we are the same as any other animal on this planet. We have made a leap to this level, but we still feel, bleed, breath, and are living creatures. The diffrence is, our perception and thought. Animals don't really have that, they just feel and think very very little. That's why, if a cow lives a realitivly painless life on a feild, it really couldn't care less if we shoot with a bolt gun and eat it. As we naturally eat meat, and the cow doesn't really think like we do, it lived, and ate, made babies, slept and than just stopped. Than we eat it.

I know religion is your life and it's getting you to say things, but if your ever going to use logic in your life your going to have to stop taking everything in the bible literally.

[edit on 30-5-2005 by Ksnazdnzon]




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