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The U.S. and allies like Uzbekistan are in the midst of an existential war, which is yet to be defined and fought effectively. While it may take some more time for us to develop correct strategies against the new enemy, we need to keep in mind that Uzbekistan is a strategic nuisance for militant Islamist groups because it may be one of the few countries that can defeat them if the government can create political space to allow the native, tolerant form of Islam to flourish.
For now, unfortunately, the U.S. and the Uzbek government are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the Uzbek people. The reasons are simple: Post-Soviet transition problems, worsened by the politically and economically oppressive policies of the current regime have produced tremendous poverty, corruption and resentment among the people. Uzbekistan has a horrendous human rights record, with ongoing torture in its prisons, creating many "Enemies of State," as the title of a recent Human Rights Watch report correctly identifies.
from CBS news:
The government of President Islam Karimov has denied opening fire on demonstrators as witnesses have claimed, but the authoritarian government has sought to restrict access for reporters in the affected areas.
from CBS news:
If the reports of more than 700 deaths since Friday hold true and if Uzbek forces were behind the killing - as most reports indicate - it would be some of the worst cases of bloodshed involving a government's troops and civilian demonstrators since the massacre of protesters in China's Tiananmen Square in 1989.
China has murderd millions, so what's your point here? Perhaps the world should cut off China..........
Originally posted by subz
Rapier, the British Foreign Secretary has slammed Uzbekistan for their actions. While the U.S hasnt uttered a peep.
Karimov makes Saddam look like a pussy cat yet he enjoys the supportive silence of the United States. It just negates all the hollow U.S rhetoric about spreading democracy across the globe. If that truly was the reason why the United States is invading countries and engaging in brinkmanship with Iran and North Korea then they:
1) should not be allied with Uzbekistan
2) should be threatening Karimov's regime with annihilation
3) should be offering support for this Uzbek popular uprising
4) should be seeking U.N sanctions for Uzbekistan
The fact that they are not doing a single thing from the above list speaks volumes for the REAL motivations for Bush's foreign policy.
Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are all devoid of democracy yet they are all U.S allies. Wheres the justice?
[edit on 16/5/05 by subz]
Originally posted by Phugedaboudet
And if George were to lauch an invasion of AssKrakistan tomorrow, how many people now complaining of the current Administration's policies would start screaming about "American Imperialism"?
Originally posted by subz
Worst case of governmental massacre of protestors since Tiananmen Square! Why doesnt any one care about this?
The Uzbek unrest began overnight Friday when protesters freed as many as 2,000 prisoners,including the 23 members of the Akramia Islamic group on trial on charges of being members of a group allied with the outlawed radical Islamic party Hizb-ut-Tahrir. It seeks to create a worldwide Islamic state and has been forced underground throughout most of Central Asia and Russia.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Those people taken from the prisons where regular criminals and Islamic extremists. It is also possible some of the people might have been innocent, but how do we know for certain?....
Originally posted by Muaddib
You continue to proclaim this when you should know it is a lie....
Originally posted by Muaddib
Yes, something must be done, but by outright lying and claiming this is the worse massacre since Tiananmen Square because you see it as a political tool that you can use against the US government is wrong.
Originally posted by subz
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Are you saying the U.S report on Uzbekistan is wrong and that they are indeed a tolerant, democratic and peacful regime? I think youre pretty deluded if you do.
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