Nazi Superweapon based on Firedamp

Simply all these Nazi superweapons have never been proven to exist and many reports which have been cited are bogus just as many of Nostradmus's predictions on the net. It follows the same old pattern well I don't have to prove it's true you have to disprove it.
As for bromn coal and liquid air weapons weiging 25-50kg have a blast area of total destruction of a diameter of 4.5km - SIMPLY RIDICULOUS. That blas radius is greater the Little Boy. Lets use some common sense

FAEs are bad weapons.










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Don't know how i double posted must have a twitch tonight

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After the failure of the Ardennes campaign

umm....what failure? I live about ten minutes away from the house manfred von ardenne was living and experimenting in, and he by no chance failed.....
I will go to that house and take pictures of the information posters. Could someone please tell me the story the concludes in failure? Would love to hear it!

Good day. I search for information about Zippermayr's bomb. Everything I've found I posted here as mato.dds:
www.secretprojects.co.uk...

Does anyone have more information, documents, reports, etc? Thank you for the answers.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising

"Admiral Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the US to initiate immediately defence measures against hostile regions. The Admiral further stated that he didn't want to frighten anyone unduly, but it was a bitter reality that in the course of a new war the continental US would be attacked by flying objects which could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds. Admiral Byrd repeated the above points of view resulting from his personal knowledge before a news conference for International News Services.""

It sounds like he is talking about ICBMs, which were likely part of the German rocket complex's plans, then in 1947 occupied by the USSR. And he was right.

It's difficult to offer a coherent reply when the original post provides only part of a story and no source for quotes. The SS has nothing to do with the report. It's been reported by several authors who have taken the bother to look, that Barber and 300 Luftwaffe personal including pilots and airfield commanders were executed at Ohrdruf. The war diaries for OKW and Luftwaffe Western Front HQ disappeared after the war and have never been found. This is perhaps more than coincidental. Whatever...For conspiracy theorists, I'm surprised that so many folks are willing to blithely presume a Luftwaffe general and 300 of his men would willing face firing squads because of...firedamp? Huh??? Come on folks...not a chance. First, do some research on firedamp or it's weaponized version creased by a Dr. Zippermayer and sometimes called tornado, high pressure, or liquid air bomb, and its modern incarnation--FAE or fuel air explosive), an Ast. Prof. at Karlsruhe Technical University. Zippermayer developed this weapon before 1943 and it was identified in a British Intelligence report by mid-1944 as a mix of 60% finely powdered dry brown coal, 40% liquid air detonated by 8 kg of TNT. The explosion flattened an area 500 to 600 meters diameter with the tops of trees affected to a radius of 2 miles. Anyone who believes a Luftwaffe general and 300 men would face a firing squad over what is obviously a chemical weapon is daft. Further, the same intelligence report indicated that the method of delivery was through rocket artillery systems not aircraft. The British specifically indicated that the Nebelwerfer six-barreled rocket launchers calibers 280 mm as ideal. Igor Witkowski and others provide unconfirmed reports of the use of this weapon on the Eastern Front by early 1944. Nope...Barber and his men didn't die over firedamp.

Anyone interested in why Barber mutinied could re-read Goering's Nuremberg testimony and then Speer's questioning by Jackson. Goering's may have ordered Barber to disobey an SS command that resulted in a mass execution and he description of a weapon that could destroy all civilization may have been rant hyperbole said in desperation for saving his neck. But Goering certainly wasn't referring to firedamp, a chemical explosive, and by that time subject to several revisions after possible deployment against the Soviets. Goering was referring to a different weapon or he simply made up a story. Speer's testimony is of a different nature and it suggests Jackson was on to something.

American prosecutor Jackson: "Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that is developed, the explosive developed, temperatures of from 400 degrees to 500 degrees centigrade and destroyed them without leaving any trace at all. Do you know about that experiment?"

Speer: "No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had had such a weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party would start chemical warfare first..."

Obviously, Jackson had intelligence about the event so he was describing an event. What kind of a weapon has this potential? A weapon Jackson didn't already know about (the Allies knew about liquid air bombs by mid-1944)?

All you conspiracy folk in ATSland: Do you honestly believe Werner Heisenberg didn't know about neutron enrichment and fast neutrons? Are you really willing to accept General Lester Groves (head of the Manhattan Project) 1962 book (Now it Can be Told) that the Germans didn't know about fast neutrons? If so, I recommend reading Heisenberg's 1939 paper where he not only talked about it but provides what would be necessary for a uranium chain reaction. Then jump ahead to 1944 descriptions Witkowski and Cook provide for 2 explosions (one off the Baltic Coast and the other on...Ohrdruf Parade Grounds) and reconsider why Barber and his men chose a firing squad over weapon's deployment. It seems more reasonable that men who might have witnessed the earlier parade ground explosion might not have been willing to deploy the weapon. Maybe....

The Allies did nab the scientists involved at the end of the War. The technology was so blindingly simple it was felt necessary by the Allies to keep it top secret to prevent proliferation.

SS Stabscharfuhrer Zippermeyer's coal dust "Oxygen Bomb" is referred to in BIOS reports as having been successfully tested at Doberitz test site north of Berlin prior to August 1943 when it had a blast radius of 600m.

Then from mid 1944 the SS took over all nuclear research for atomic weapons in Germany. The coal/oxygen bomb design and development was then shifted to Lofer which lies next to Berteschgarden and just north of the SS nuclear research laboratory at Zell am See.

According to Professor Walter Gerlach (Farm Hall internee and head of the Uranium project in 1944) the SS in September 1944 began a project to manufacture Trittium which has no other logical use for Nazi Germany than in Atomic weapons. It was noted in BIOS reports of Zippermeyer's weapon tested in the forest above Starnbergersee that the SS added a waxy substance which greatly increased the bomb's power, but also that it had to be added to the weapon immediately before use otherwise it would degrade rapidly. This is a quality typical of Trittium used in US nuclear weapons.

Trittium is obtained by Irradiation of Deuterium, but it degrades quite rapidly.

Trittium of itself will not create a nuclear explosion but Trittium mixed either with Beryllium or Lithium 6 under the huge compression of a Fuel Air Explosive (coal/oxygen bomb) would likely cause a pure thermonuclear explosion.

The Nazis were well aware of the concept of thermonuclear explosives at the start of WW2 and had discovered nuclear fusion by accident in an electric arc furnace at Falkenwerke in October 1936.

The ease with which one can construct a thermonuclear weapon is most likely the reason why all information about such weapons remains classified today. The Monsanto report top Arthur Compton immediately after the war recommended the perpetual classification of Germany's atomic weapon project and noted that in some respects the Nazi project was more advanced than the Manhattan project.

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Icarus Rising the original oxygen bomb tested at Doberitz was a conventional FAE bomb based on coal dust. The SS tweaked it with Trittium either combined with Lithium 6 or Beryllium 9 to turn the FAE bomb into a thermonuclear weapon. You will not find that confirmed in any declassified record however the clues from what has been disclosed all suggest this.

Von Braun did a speech saying the German smart people decided to not use their nuclear weapons and give them to America because we were a "christian nation"......

Which later turned out to end up using them.

Germany built the nuclear bomb before we did and decided not to use it. You can find the text of that Von Braun speech. Don't expect the details to get declassified anytime soon.

originally posted by: psteel
greyfalcon.us...

Liquid Air bomb

As the research on the atomic bomb under Graf von Ardenne and others was not proceeding as rapidly as had been hoped in 1944, it was decided to proceed with the development of a liquid air bomb. Experiments using ordinary powdered coal were not at all successful, but extremely good results were obtained from a mixture consisting of 60% finely powdered dry brown coal and 40% liquid air. The technical man responsible for this work was Dr. Zippelmeier. The first trial was made on the Doberitz grounds near Berlin using a charge of about 8 kg of powder in a thin tin plate
container. The liquid air was poured on to the powder, and the two were mixed together with a long wooden stirrer.

Kreutzfeld did this himself, and was present at the ensuing test. In an area of radius 500 to 600 meters trees, etc. were all completely destroyed. Thereafter the explosion started to rise and only the tops of the trees were affected, although the intensive explosion covered an area 2 km. in radius. Zippelmeier then had the idea that a better effect might be obtained it the powder was spread out in the form of a cloud before the explosion. Trials were made with a paper container impregnated with some waxy substance. A metal cylinder was attached to the lower end of this container and hit the ground first, dispersing the powder. After a short time interval of the order of 1/4 second a small charge in the metal cylinder exploded and ignited the dark funnel shaped dust - liquid air cloud. The bombs had to be filled immediately prior to the departure of the aircraft.

Bombs with charges of 25 and 50 kg. of powder were dropped on the Starbergersee, and photographs of the explosion were taken. Standartenführer Klumm kept a photograph of the result and showed it to Brandt (Himmler's personal adviser). The intensive explosion covered an area 4 to 4.5 km radius, and the explosion was still felt on a radius 12.5 km. When the bomb was dropped on an airfield, much destruction was caused 12 km away, and all the trees on a hillside 5 to 6 km away were flat. On a radius of 12.5 km. only the tops of the trees were destroyed. [British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, "Information Obtained from Targets of Opportunity in the Sonthofen Area," BIOS Target numbers C 28/8.211, C 25/549, C 6/137, C 30/ 338, C 4/268, C 22/2182, C 21/601].

This is not so easy to dismiss since Bios numbers are cited...

Can any one speculate on whats at work here that can make a 25-50kg bomb result in 600-900m radius blast radius. Whats the maximum blast radius of FAE or MOAB?

The Russian MOAB had a yield of 44tons TNT, however the weapon itself weighed 7 metric tonnes. It needed to be dropped from an Il-76 cargo plane's tail ramp.

Wikipedia article

That hardly corresponds to Zippermayr's 150kg device test at Doberitz in August 1943.

The device contained no Firedamp. It used a waxy radioactive substance. Probably Deuterium enriched paraffin irradiated in a cyclotron before use to turn Deuterium into Tritium. This corresponds to known comments about the substance that it had to be introduced to the weapon at the very last moment. Tritium has such a short half life that it has to be loaded into a nuclear weapon shortly before use. Tritium provides a fusion boost to fission weapons.

The SS were very keen in September 1944 to obtain Professor Walter Gerlach's assistance to manufacture Tritium. Interestingly according to Sammuel Goudsmit's papers Gerlach turned them down.





If it was indeed Tritium in the waxy substance then physical compression caused by the thermobaric blast could cause a plasma pinch (Tesla Effect) releasing fast neutrons.

If there was Uranium oxide mixed with the coal dust (even very mildly enriched uranium) then the Tesla effect could ignite a nuclear blast.