Originally posted by Omniscient
I think that something like that should of been more monitored...what if it got into the wrong hands. Someone that would use it as they were about to lose a war, simply to end all civilization, with the whole "If I go, everyone goes" thought.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Thanks for the informed reply. Sure you don't have a little more to say about the firedamp weapon, what it is and can do? Is it really true that it could do what they said? Did the SS and Luftwaffe refuse to deploy it, and were those who refused executed?
I am deeply curious about this project. Before I came across it in the website linked above, I had never heard of firedamp or any catastrophic weapon based on it. You seem to know more than you have shared so far. Please overcome your reluctance, if possible, to answer my questions, or add anything you can. Thanks again.
Liquid Air bomb
As the research on the atomic bomb under Graf von Ardenne and others was not proceeding as rapidly as had been hoped in 1944, it was decided to proceed with the development of a liquid air bomb. Experiments using ordinary powdered coal were not at all successful, but extremely good results were obtained from a mixture consisting of 60% finely powdered dry brown coal and 40% liquid air. The technical man responsible for this work was Dr. Zippelmeier. The first trial was made on the Doberitz grounds near Berlin using a charge of about 8 kg of powder in a thin tin plate container. The liquid air was poured on to the powder, and the two were mixed together with a long wooden stirrer.
Kreutzfeld did this himself, and was present at the ensuing test. In an area of radius 500 to 600 meters trees, etc. were all completely destroyed. Thereafter the explosion started to rise and only the tops of the trees were affected, although the intensive explosion covered an area 2 km. in radius. Zippelmeier then had the idea that a better effect might be obtained it the powder was spread out in the form of a cloud before the explosion. Trials were made with a paper container impregnated with some waxy substance. A metal cylinder was attached to the lower end of this container and hit the ground first, dispersing the powder. After a short time interval of the order of 1/4 second a small charge in the metal cylinder exploded and ignited the dark funnel shaped dust - liquid air cloud. The bombs had to be filled immediately prior to the departure of the aircraft.
Bombs with charges of 25 and 50 kg. of powder were dropped on the Starbergersee, and photographs of the explosion were taken. Standartenführer Klumm kept a photograph of the result and showed it to Brandt (Himmler's personal adviser). The intensive explosion covered an area 4 to 4.5 km radius, and the explosion was still felt on a radius 12.5 km. When the bomb was dropped on an airfield, much destruction was caused 12 km away, and all the trees on a hillside 5 to 6 km away were flat. On a radius of 12.5 km. only the tops of the trees were destroyed. [British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, "Information Obtained from Targets of Opportunity in the Sonthofen Area," BIOS Target numbers C 28/8.211, C 25/549, C 6/137, C 30/ 338, C 4/268, C 22/2182, C 21/601].
On 11 September 2007 the Russian military announced that it had tested what it called the "Father of All Bombs". Described as the world's most powerful non-nuclear air-delivered munition, the Russian military claimed it was four times more powerful than the American "Mother Of All Bombs." While the Russian bomb was reported to contain 7.8 tons of "thermobaric" explosive, compared to the more than 8 tons of explosives in the American bomb, the Russian bomb was said to use more highly efficient explosive, with a yield equivalent to 44 tons of TNT. The bomb was reported to have a blast radius of 300 meters, double that of the American bomb, while the temperature at the epicenter was also reported to be twice as high.
The bomb was not a nuclear weapon, and it appears to have been a conventional explosive which used a reagent or catalyst produced by Tesla methodology or similar for its inexplicable effect.
This exact story (literally, same wording) appeared initially in a Wunderwaffe book by a Polish intel guy which is expensive and hard to find on amazon for some reason. It is repeated in a book called 'SS brotherhood of the bell' which i have (eBay). I heard the same story, including russian threats to retaliate with gas, from some German guys who are no longer alive. Supposedly references to this thing exist in Nuremberg trial records. I heard of it referred to as 'compression grenade' and being implemented even in 88mm (why didn't they use it for AAA then ???). What i was told was that it destroyed the lungs of air-breathing creatures in 500m radius. I actually had some ideas about it but they are for coffee discussion. The multi-km damage radius described in the story is obviously in excess of even smaller nukes and does not seem realistic. Original refs have no mention of Tesla, who most likely had nothing to do with it.
My guess is that at the time no one could possibly even conceive of such level of destruction from what sounds like a chemical reaction and therefore if the thing happened to work by accident it would have wiped out everyone involved in the test because they would not have thought of keeping far enough away.
RE their A-b project , there are references in the same 2 books as to them
having succeeded but perhaps with a design drastically different from current ones.