Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
Originally posted by seraph5
In vitro fertilization, welll, it is a stretch from my beliefs, however, it is to help a mother have a child, the child is born (hate the fact that it
takes so many tries though). It is for a person who wants to raise and love a child, it is not used as a "resource", although these days, they do
want to use the "failed" babies in stem cells research.
So "playing god" is o.k sometimes? LMFAO!
Like when women (whom "god" made infertile), want to have babies, it's ok to defy his will? (god made her infertile right?) Everytime a
defibrillator shocks a flatlines heart back to life, are we playing god then? (heart stopped=death, defibrillator=raising the dead?) What about our
cures for disease? In days of old they were called plagues, and were sent from God. So are we then defying his will when we attempt to cure
ourselves?(no theraflu dear god is mad at you)
Coming from an aspiring doctor I find your arguments puzzling. Where exactly do you draw your arbitrary lines as to what gods will is , and or isn't?
If you are that afraid of "playing god", perhaps medicine is not the profession for you. If you were alive a few centuries ago I could speculate
that you would be against examining cadavres and preforming autopsies, as the church was also. (playing with dead bodies was just "evil", and
"wrong") I could also speculate that if you were alive a thousand years ago, you would of argued about the "evils"of Alchemy and Pharmakia ,
dismissing it as "sorcery", just as the church did("evil", and "wrong")
Interesting topic though, many great points already made. Living in California I can't help but laugh at those of you who actually take this issue
seriously. We (california) as someone else mentioned, have centers popping up all over, thanks to a recent initiative.
Just like Clinton and his ban on cloning, all of you who oppose scientific research can take their rightful place alongside history's favourite
Those familiar with history might find startling parallels between those who fight stem cell research today and those who once thought it "wrong"
to entertain the heliocentric theory in the 16th century. From every issue whether it be the earth being round, and revolving around the sun, right up
to todays mindless arguments on cloning and stem cells, ALL scientific advances have been resisted by the mindless, and religious masses throughout
time. Science (i.e medicine, pharmakia) is for those brave souls who dare question the authority of whatever religious views might be fashionable at
any given time.
The more things change......The more they stay the same......Sad really.
Alright, you caught me in a contradiction, however, I knew a women who so desparately wanted to have a child with her husband. She wanted to bring
life INTO the world and couldn't because of something that happened with her last marriage. She used in vitro fertilization. However, I do not quite
know how I feel about this subject. It is definately a shady region.
And the point about playing God. I am not a Christian Scientist. I do not have a problem with modern medicine. It is used to save lives. And yes, we
are playing God, but not at the expense of new life.....yet. It is just when we start taking lives in the name of good that I draw the line. I don't
know why people cannot seem to differentiate between medicine now, and the medicine they want to attain using ESCs.
ESC research and applications to potential cures is grand, wonderful, amazing. However, we will be taking lives to get there. So, I am not trying to
hinder th e advancement of science, I love science. I am saying that we do not have the right to go this far. What is the problem with not wanting to
use ESCs, there are so many other sources for stem cells that we can utilize? Why are we paying so much attention to ESCs ....... because they are the
most cost effective, easier to get.
And about this religious belief clouding my vision, I believe that we have souls and that a baby at the time of conception does too. Even if I wasn't
basing this on religion, I would arrive at the same conclusion. But then again, how can I argue the existence of something that people just attribute
to nervous impulses and electrical signals in the brain?
And you know what, i live in California too. ha ,lucky me
I am not arguing a theory (ie evolution versus creationism) here, that is something I leave up to the believer. Basic beliefs of science versus
religion are not what I am concernerd about. I am arguing for the preservation of life, although in the opposite way most people do. This is not just
a religious belief, this is a personal belief that I have derived from my common sense. Since I believe we have a soul (and don't try to convince me
otherwise, it won't work
), I believe we are given one when we first form, not after.
Forgive me if this doesn't make any sense, it is late, and I am studying bio for a final tomorrow. Argggg. Too much work. HAhahah, I am studying
evolution right now, another of my "favorite" topics. I do believe in that one though.