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posted on May, 16 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
"Baghdad airport is crowded with heavily armed mercenaries" Robert fisk.

Your time is short American invaders. You better get out of Iraq, while you can still use the airport.
heh heh heh

[edit on 14-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]



You really have no clue.....



Just keep on keepN on and arguing with everyone here... we'll be seeing ya ....




posted on May, 16 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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If you will excuse me...my biographical memory fails me at the moment.
You refer to someone as a "Dentist Leader". To whom are you refering. I originally thought of Arafat..but I believe he was a engineer by trade. I thank you in advance for filling me in.

Orangetom



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 08:53 PM
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Also I dont put much stock in international law

I know all about the shortcomings of international law thankyou. But it’s really all we have right now isn’t it? You country is signatory, and my country is signatory. So when The US attacks someone based a notion that they are “breaking international law by trying to obtain WMD’s” (which turned out to be false), then at least keep up the SHAM that you care about international law, and don’t be so blatant with your hypocrisy. International law says, you aren’t allowed to have mercenaries, and that if they are captured in war, they don’t get POW status.

“I dont see you as a little girl..... Grown up ..no not that either. Smooth..no not that also.”

Thanks, thanks a lot. Now I have a Britany Spears song in my head.  …. I’m not a girl….. not yet a women …. Ugh
I hate Britany spears! Why is it that you have to reduce yourself to personal insults, it’s demeaning for both of us.

“Oh by the way...the description you give of guards running over a car with kids and adults stuck in a traffic jam. You need to think that one through before trying such poor emotional stuff on a unawares people which most of the folks in this board are.”

It’s not my description, that’s the description from the source. What, you want me to water down the source for you? I’m not trying to pull your strings, I’m just trying to make you aware of the war crimes. I’m sorry if you don’t feel any emotion or don’t like to, but you know it is not completely irrelevant in life. Most of the people of this board are unaware? And that doesn’t include you?  Well, lucky lucky I am here, to inform them.

As for what you say about the resistance, I’d just like to inform you, that the resistance has nothing to do with the killing of innocent iraqies. Sure, collaborators, spies, and mercenaries will be shot, of course. But never ever does the resistance kill innocent iraqies, why would they hurt their own families? There is some false flag operations going on here to try to defame them. The US wants to end the support base for the resistance. But little do they know.

You speak about Syria, but Syria was asked to go into Lebanon as a peace keeper by the United Nations to end the civil war. Lebanon was never “invaded” by Syria, and we actually did the right thing, and left Lebanon. Shouldn’t you follow our great example?

You say “who is next” implying it could be syria, but the reason I am so sure, you’ll never even get the chance to attack Syria, is because Iraq is going to defeat you, iraq is going to win this war. “who is next” are the last words of a weakening empire. No one is next, do you know why? Because Iraq is going to end it for you. All of it.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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orange, maybe sharkman got confused, because Bashar Asad is an medical doctor specialising in the Eye.

elevatordone
" we'll be seeing ya "
You better hope not



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:13 PM
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You say “who is next” implying it could be syria, but the reason I am so sure, you’ll never even get the chance to attack Syria, is because Iraq is going to defeat you, iraq is going to win this war. “who is next” are the last words of a weakening empire. No one is next, do you know why? Because Iraq is going to end it for you. All of it.


Syrian sister you make me laugh with these statements


the airport is used daily by both contractors and civilians... what makes you think we would allow it overtaken by your "freedom fighters"? you call all contractors "mercenries" well i tell you now, if they where true mercenries they would not obey the rules of engagement they currently follow!!! come back to iraq and drive upto a contractors convoy, see how many warning signals are given before they shoot "ONE" round into your engine to disable the vechile.... *note they shoot the engine and not the person and this is after giving multiple warns both verbally and visually (flashing lights and luminus sticks)!!



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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"if they where true mercenries they would not obey the rules of engagement they currently follow"

Call them whatever you want, contractor or whatever if that helps you sleep at night, but what they are is mercenaries.
And what rule would that be that htey follow? Crush civilians in tanks, and shooting teenagers. Besides it doesn't matter what they do, by definition the mercernaries. Let's examine the differences, just talkin in general.

A soldier, signs up his person to a military, which is an intrisic part of a nation. Now when he does this, if he disobeys orders, in some cases he might be shot, or he might go to prison etc. In some situations, a soldier is drafted to go into war, and is there against their will. Now in the US situation that is not the case, they can always refuse to comit the crime of invading iraq, but international law, still recognises that they are in a sticky situation and are not completely acting in their own free will.

That's why there is a such thing as the POW.

However, a mercenary, enters a war zone completely freely, he may leave freely. There is nothing to stop him. And when he is killing, he isn't killing for a country, for a cause, nor our of pleasure or out of hate, he kills purely for money. That makes him basically the international version of a hit man, a criminal. Your "security contractors" they are not there against their will, they came freely and they can leave freely, they are not killing for a country nor a cause, they are killing for money. They are by definition, mercenaries.

That's why the people who wrote the geneva convention said, these men, they have no rights under geneva. And that's why by international law, it's illegal to higher mercenaries. They are outside te law.

I'm glad i make you laugh jayce, perhaps it's a nervous laugh but i don't mind, i really hope you'll get the chance to keep laughing for a whlie longer


[edit on 16-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:32 PM
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Crush civilians in tanks? since when does any security company over here own a tank? unless you call a 4x4 a tank?

Anyway, my laugh is never nervous, i am a contractor and i am not here to kill anyone.... reconstruction is our game and all we want to do is finish our projects and move onto the next one! we have other obligations to in other countries to go to!



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:35 PM
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Read the source jayce, it's all in the source.

Ok jayce, i said this in my intro,
"Spies, Traitors and mercenaries will be shot. To all you "securitycontractors/mercenaries" here don't come back crying to me, when the resistance puts a bullet in your A$$, you where warned"

And so you where.


But, if your not a SECURITY contractor, but a "building and supplies" contractor, then that makes you equivelant to a soldier in the geneva conventions, you should really have a read of it, it's great stuff. Anyway, if you don't have a gun your not a mercenary, but your equivelent to an enemy soldier because you are pretty much an intrisic part of the army. That's why supply lines are a legitimate target. However, if you are ever captured, rest assured, geneva conventions DO apply to you. That is, IF you dont' carry a gun.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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building and supplies? nothing to with building and supplies syrian sister! i have a weapon for my own saftey as kidnapping is quite a risk here! and i dont look to good in orange.... still waiting for your thread about how the resistance won in fallujah? looking forward to what you say and i will give you my opinion when back



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 10:05 PM
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Then
don't blame me! don't blame me at all! Because i told you.

It's all there in the Third Genave Convention, i can't remember which article, but there's not that many.

You didn't even know you where a mercenary did you? ... that's sad... and funny at the same time.
*sigh*... education is the key. Perhaps you should go read about what has been the fate of mercenaries, through out history.

Those who don't learn from history, are cursed to repeat it.

no body actually dared me to right the thread, but now i hear you where waitin for it? Ahhh , why was i not informed?

Sure, but remember, i said they where victorious during the first siege, there where two sieges. The thread is being written in, don't you worry. Don't worry about the orange either, because the resistance doesn't make those silly videos, i've no idea who does, but it's not them. I've seen the real videos that the resistance makes, and this is how they execute collaborators, with hands tied behind their back they kneel, and are systimatically shot in the back of the head. Just like it was done in world war 2, you see a traitor has no honour, so they must die kneeling. I'm sure it's the same for mercenaries
so you don't have to worry about wearing orange.



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posted on May, 16 2005 @ 10:21 PM
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Syrian sister, your insults are petty, i am well versed in mercenery history i have been a CONTRACTOR for 4 years now and i am fully aware of the situations i go in, and i am fully aware of the support we have.... cursed to repeat history, how is that when the future has not even been wrote yet? also maybe you should read our chat on previous thread and check your u2u!



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 11:52 PM
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I don't belive i've insulted you, if yuo feel that way, i'm sorry.

You can call yourself what ever you want, contractory etc, whatever helps you sleep at night. But by the standard of international law, your a mecenary.

"cursed to repeat history, how is that when the future has not even been wrote yet"

because history repeats itself, especially when people don't learn from it and make the same mistakes.

Anyway, let's keep it in u2u.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:21 AM
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Orwellian times are upon us:

"going out of iraq now would be a bad good"

It certainly would be. I mean a bad good...

Our society just has no other term for it. We don't want it, but....



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:21 AM
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I'm not gonan get into the mercenary debate simply because it's semantics. The UN itself has used mercenaries (sorry, private contractors), and I see absolutely nothing intrisincally wrong with fighting for monetary gain. Everyone's got a skill...

But I will rely to this-

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
As for what you say about the resistance, I’d just like to inform you, that the resistance has nothing to do with the killing of innocent iraqies. Sure, collaborators, spies, and mercenaries will be shot, of course. But never ever does the resistance kill innocent iraqies, why would they hurt their own families? There is some false flag operations going on here to try to defame them. The US wants to end the support base for the resistance. But little do they know.

If I can translate this right, you're saying that the insurgents are actually an organized resistance, that they have never killed an innocent bystander, and that all attacks on civilians are coverytly carried out by America and her allies to discredit this movement?

Why, exactly, do you think that?



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:50 AM
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If I can translate this right, you're saying that the insurgents are actually an organized resistance, that they have never killed an innocent bystander, and that all attacks on civilians are coverytly carried out by America and her allies to discredit this movement?


That's exactly right.
The resistance has nothing to gain from killing their own families, the very thing they are risking their lifes to protect.

I'd love to tell you more, but i dont want to deviate to much from the topic at hand. So i'm going to send you a U2U to talk about it more.


The iraqies, they are fighting for all of you know, all of us, against the NWO. They are goin to hault them dead in their tracks.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:50 AM
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I work as a textile flammability analyst, and test fabrics from all over the World for import into the UK.
Yes, i even test fabrics from Syria. They use the testing laboratory i work in.

What happens is, they have to use an independent lab to get the goods certified as safe for use in the UK. IE, they contract their work out to the UK.

So, does that make the Syrians mercenaries because they are using contractors?

Just my thought here as to try and understand how contract workers have become mercenaries.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by Bikereddie
I work as a textile flammability analyst, and test fabrics from all over the World for import into the UK.
Yes, i even test fabrics from Syria. They use the testing laboratory i work in.

What happens is, they have to use an independent lab to get the goods certified as safe for use in the UK. IE, they contract their work out to the UK.

So, does that make the Syrians mercenaries because they are using contractors?

Just my thought here as to try and understand how contract workers have become mercenaries.


I've never seen such a white wash... actually i have. It's similar to what this the lawyer defending the abu gharib human pyramid torture said.

""Don't cheerleaders all over America form pyramids six to eight times a year. Is that torture?" Guy Womack, Graner's attorney, said in opening arguments to the 10-member U.S. military jury at the reservist's court-martial.""

asmallvictory.net...


It's a warped logic, designed to put some fuzziness around the facts.


[edit on 17-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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intresting technique,

I agree ..Syrian Sister...I hate Britany Spears too. Your original comment that began this particular thread was to the effect of Why argue with you your just a little girl... Scroll back and look at your post. I am merely replying to your post and you take it as a personal insult. Your technique of disarmament and deflection is demeaning to me. Disarmamemnt and deflection based on femminine wiles is something with which I have grown up having two sisters. It doesnt work well. You do much better with your direct approach. That I can respect ..even in disagreement.

I prefer classical music..Chopin, Bach, Vivaldi, Beethoven

Also once again...I dont put much stock in international law...it is a sham..used by countries for convenience and trying to grab the moral high ground. I dont buy it. ...ever. Even from Americans. Especially when laughing stocks like the UN try to use it sometimes and then ignore it..others. Please dont try to put me under it by default. I dont like default settings either ..its the same as international law..to me...a attempt to play through unhindered.
Oh ..by the way..International Law is not all we have right now...it cannot be or you would not be trying to go back to it constantly to support your points. There is obviously something else working here of which you heartily disapprove. I understand that ..clearly. I can respect that disapproval. I just dont buy into International Law.
So what is the other Law ...working here Syrian Sister.????

As to the description of the guards running over the car with people in it. It doesnt matter ...to me....you used it to support your position. You did this..you quoted someone else to support your position..now you attempt to deflect by saying it is someone elses quote. You Syrian Sister...attempt to water down the effect by saying it is someone elses quote when you use it carte blanche to reflect your position. This is what I mean by poor technique. Your technique works with most people ..but not me. This is very similar in technique to your quoting "Im just a little girl" and then conducting yourself as insulted and demeaned when you dont like the results. I will never buy into your technique like this..it is very poor debating technique...but it does however work with some people who cannot think it through. The word I am thinking of to describe your technique is Coquette. I can respect your direct approach much better.

As to the "resistance" killing innocent Iraqis...I will leave that debate to others. Some seem to be more qualified to reply to that than myself.

Concerning the buisness about Syria...if you read my post carefully ...I am stating that this incident was caused by someone outside Syria and Lebanon. Someone who had something to gain ..and events worked out that way. I cannot prove that .it us just my bias and opinion..as I clearly stated. To me it had to be someone who had something to gain..to risk such a dangerous gamble. It seemed to have worked.
I look for such a pattern to be repeated in the future...similar fingerprint..but the same pattern. This is what I meant by "Who is next."
I did not say that I approved of it. Suggest you try Niccolo Machivelli's book "The Prince". Or Carl Von Clausewitz..on statesmanship and diplomacy.

As to Syria being asked to be a peacekeeper by the UN ..yes I agree. As I recall the events of history that is pretty much accurate. It seems however to have been hijacked somewhere along the line into something else other than peacekeeping. Perhapsed hijacked is not the right word...pyramided may be more applicable. Nevertheless..I dont put much stock in the UN either...it is the same as International Law. The UN's failures are glaring..going back if I can recall correctly to the fiasco in the Belgian Congo...in the early 1960s and downhill from there.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 10:26 PM
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“Why argue with you your just a little girl”

What I meant by that was, : o ) it’s all already out there, no matter what I say, so if you want to say there are no mercenaries on the road to the airport, your arguing with an award wining journalist who has BEEN there, and with international law. Not myself. I wasn’t insulted about the little girl or grown up comment either, in fact I made the britany spears joke.

But when you said I was not “smooth”  that was the personal attack, honestly I could careless wether you think I’m smooth or not, but personal attacks just weaken your case
, that’s why it’s demeaning for both of us. Because you’ll look like your bad at making arguments (which is certainly not the case), and I’ll look like I am wasting my time with someone who can’t argue.

“Disarmamemnt and deflection based on femminine wiles”

Darn, you got me there, hands up, I admit it , i'm sincerely appologise
. It's just who I am. That’s just how I play, it’s a fun game, but if you don’t like that game, I won’t play it, it’s a pity…

I can see that you are far far more intelligent that I thought. If I tried to use any technique on you, please believe me that it was not a conscious intention, it’s just a part of my personality. Besides, any technique I use, cannot be more pathetic, that the warped logic fuzz technique you can see above.

“I dont put much stock in international law...”

Nor do I, believe me, if international law worked, Bush, Cheney, Blair and the rest would be at the Hague, right now. Awaiting the verdict. I know that the UN is controlled, that it bends to pressure and is pathetic and has many short comings.

You ask what other law do we have…  i think you want me to say “survival of the fittest, the law of the jungle”. Yes? But I belive the real other law is gods law. The rules set out by god, sent down with the angel Gabriel to the prophet Mohammad. Or maybe the power instilled in us by god, so that we can FEEL what is right and wrong in our hearts. Some people choose to ignore that feeling…

However, when I say, “international law” is all that we have, I mean to say, that it is all that is agreed upon, or at least claimed to be agreed upon, by the parties who are in this war. They never said they all agreed upon god’s law, nor did they say they agreed upon survival of the fittest (although they act like it). However, they did claim to agree upon international law.

It’s all we have to hold people accountable with really, to refer back to Geneva conventions. Even though the men who made it, where not so righteous and not so pure. But that’s what we have, that the parties concerned claim to agree with.

If we throw out the ONE THING, that those bastard leaders signed to agree. Then what are we going to base our argument on? There is nothing left. You will say, the stronger survive, and I will say, the righteous and the just will be victorious. No conclusion will be reached. There will be no accountability. If all else fails, at least we can expose a hypocrisy.

“the description you give of guards running over a car with kids and adults stuck in a traffic jam”

As for the quote. Yes I pasted it, but I didn’t write it. To me, you made it sound like I had made the description myself, as if it where my own invention to get an emotional response. I’m sorry if I misunderstood you. As far as that goes, I wasn’t trying to use any “emotional techniques” on anyone, I was just trying to show, that a war crime was committed, and that mercenaries work outside international law by definition.

"victimization” was never my intention. I don’t expect you to feel sorry for us, I don’t want your pity nor your compassion, What I want is your anger, I want you to be angered that an injustice has occurred.

I’m sorry IF you believe there is ANY justification to run over innocent civilians, or your own comrades in Normandy. When someone doesn’t realise “the means don’t justify the ends”, then that’s when war crimes, invasions, theft, massacres happen.

“who benefits” , this is a very wise proverb to be asking yourself. I will no doubt help you find the truth, in most cases. Try and apply it to the Iraqi resistance "killing innocent iraqies", see what it brings you. I agree with you totally in the case about Syria and Lebanon. Your analysis is quite logical.

“hijacked somewhere along the line into something else other than peacekeeping”

Yes it was, indeed, to be expected when one looks at history, it’s always the opportunist path they take. Atleast Lebanon is not occupied now is it., but how long will that be for? I can already see the vultures circuling…

If there is an injustice, who ever commits it, I will never support it…




[edit on 17-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 12:47 AM
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By General Smedley Butler, USMC
(Speech originally-delivered in 1933)
8-21-2

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street, and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.



By this reasoning, any person who puts on a US military uniform is, by extension, a mercanary. So the original poster is right in more ways than one.

You can tell yourselves it's alright, wrapping yourselves in the safety blanket of patriotism and jingoistic flag-waving. All your arguments are moot.

The war in Iraq is generating huge profits for various corporations. Even those of you involved in the reconstruction have blood on your hands. Something had to be destroyed first in order for it to be reconstructed.

When people post some information which isn't breastfed to you from the corporate shill media, you can mock them all you like. Anything to make you feel better and sleep at night, right?

Anyone who works in any capacity connected to the military is not doing it for the sake of any higher ideals. They are doing it for money.

That makes you all mercanaries.



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