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BrahMos, the best cruise missle ever made


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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 02:35 AM by chinawhite


China currently has one dedicated imaging reconnaissance satellite, along with one remote sensing satellite, one meteorological satellite, and one remote sensing microsatellite with potential dual-use capabilities. In November 2003, China launched the FSW-2 imaging reconnaissance satellite, the latest version in the FSW series first launched in 1975. The FSW-2 can remain in orbit for a maximum of 18 days before returning to Earth with its data. The Ziyuan remote sensing satellites, developed as part of the China-Brazil Earth Resources program, has an estimated three to nine meter resolution and is thought by some analysts and government officials to be used for military purposes. In addition, China's Feng-Yun series of metereological satellites reportedly has three-meter resolution capabilities and is also thought to provide data to the military. China maintains, however, that these satellites are used purely for civilian purposes



www.sinodefence.com...



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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 07:56 AM by Daedalus3


Originally posted by chinawhite

The FSW-2 can remain in orbit for a maximum of 18 days before returning to Earth with its data.







Perishable satellites!! What next..??



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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 08:02 AM by Daedalus3


Chinese space officials are now planning an October 2004 launch for Shenzhou 6, a two-person mission to last up to seven days


What happened??!

Better hurry up..you got to send a probe to the moon too!!
by next year..
or shall we just delay that as well..
What IS up with the chinese manned program??
Haven't heard anything since Yang lewei


India's lunar ambitions:

www.space.com...

India's remote sensing monopoly in the COMMERCIAL market..link below quote:

Currently, some of the best images available for commercial sale come from India, which offers to the public images from its Earth-imaging satellites, which have a resolution of up to fiv
e meters.


www.space.com...

If 5 metres is the best commercial res available and that too pioneered by India then one can only speculate about India's military remote sensing capability

more on Indo-Israeli sat ventures:

India already is a so-called Satellite Operating Partner in the Eros A, a remote sensing satellite launched in December 2000 by ImageSat International, an Israeli-led firm that offers high-resolution imagery on the international market. Eros A, which also is built by IAI, contains technologies developed for Israel’s Ofeq-series of military satellites, and the spacecraft is capable of capturing details measuring less than one meter in diameter when employed in certain conditions.

The company’s follow-on Eros B satellite is expected to offer multi-spectral images of greatly improved resolution under a similar Satellite Operating Partner (SOP) format that essentially grants customers ownership of the satellite over a designated footprint. In India’s case, the government’s security establishment would be able to order the satellite to capture images of interest anywhere within an estimated 1,240-mile radius, with no control, involvement or even knowledge of ImageSat management.




India also is building a radar remote sensing satellite called Risat, capable of capturing images through dust and darkness. It is scheduled for launch in 2006. Additionally, the state agency launched in June 2001 its indigenous Test Evaluation Satellite, capable of delivering images measuring about 1 meter across.



India world player in high res sat imagery:

Ikonos won’t be lonely much longer, said Joseph Dodd, vice president of national programs for Orbital Imaging Corporation (Orbimage), a subsidiary of Orbital Sciences Corporation. His company is set to launch two OrbView, high-resolution imaging satellites in 2001.

Also, another U.S. company, EarthWatch is ready to hurl its QuickBird 1 into orbit next month, Dodd said. Add to that mix a host of commercial high-resolution satellites built by Russia, Israel, France and India and you’ve got "very stiff international competition," Dodd said.


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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 08:19 AM by rapier28


The mission at the end of the year will take 2 astronauts and might involve simple exercises like a space walk or just moving around in the actual ship, mabye some scientific experiments.

The Manned program after this one later on in 2005 is unknown, China has reportedly cut back on it to focus on a possible space station or diverting funds to other areas.

Galileo

It's strictly civilian, at least officially, the EU has not allowed China to access it's EUROPOL functions, ie. higher resolutions etc. So the EU is not breaking the arms embargo.

China is investing billions in the project, according to the U.S, because it wants to learn how it works and apply it to it's own military projects.

But so far, at least officially, the Galileo project is strictly Civilian.

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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 08:24 AM by Daedalus3


The EU's playing with fire here...
Lets see how the galileo conundrum unfolds though..very very interesting..



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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 04:26 PM by Stealth Spy



The Indian Navy is all set to formally induct the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM) adding a new and fearsome dimension to its capabilities. The successful tenth and final test of the missile, was fired from Guided-Missile Destroyer (DDG) INS Rajput, acting as a test bed, involved a combat prototype with a live warhead and marked the imminent formal induction of the missile –– less than four years after its first trial. BrahMos is destined to be a "tri-service" missile to be fired from surface ships, submarines, airborne platforms, trucks and land-based silos. Mass production of the missile has commenced and the company expects to supply the Indian armed forces with 1,000 missiles by 2015.

The BrahMos is destined to equip all future major Indian naval warships –– the three Project 15A Bangalore class guided missile armed helicopter carrying Destroyers (DDGH) and Project 17 Shivalik class guided missile armed helicopter carrying Frigates (FFGH) –– and will be retrofitted on one existing warship each year. (It may also be a prudent move to enable the Bangalore class DDGH to operate maritime Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) from the aft flight deck for reconnaissance and targeting purposes.) The BrahMos promises enormous destructive potential in littoral warfare operations in the Persian Gulf area or in waterways of South-East Asia, near the coastline or in narrow "choke-points", where the movements of enemy surface combatants are predictable and easily locatable. The BrahMos also presents itself as a formidable tool for enforcing a naval blockade.





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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 04:29 PM by Stealth Spy


Originally posted by chinawhite
the tomahawk is highly accurate. now tell me if the brahmos can do that.












Check this out :


During the Pokhran test BrahMos searched, located and destroyed a 50-cm thick concrete bunker with pinpoint accuracy.


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reply posted on 16-5-2005 @ 04:33 PM by Stealth Spy

Mach 8, 1400km range BrahMos


While national media have reported a hypersonic Mach 8 variant of BrahMos to be developed in future, the Western defence media circles are anticipating a sub-sonic or transonic (near the speed of sound) Land Attack Cruise Missile (LACM) variant with an estimated range of 800-km to 1,400-km. In any case a Mach 8 variant of BrahMos will indicate a major technological breakthrough by the Russians in the context of the propulsion components of solid booster and liquid kerosene ramjet engine.

For their part, Indian scientists have for at least a decade, been working on solid-state lasers for use as super-high-speed ignition systems to arm missiles, although their present status is a closely guarded secret

A Mach 8 passive radiation homing BrahMos-2 if developed, will fulfil an Indian Navy requirement of a formidable Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) LACM and also pose a deadly threat to enemy warships sporting elaborate air defence radar systems like the "AEGIS type" vessels under construction for the Chinese People Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

The quest for a Brahmos LACM variant was hinted at in a test at Pokhran during December 2004, the missile being equipped with special image processing software for terminal homing. Although not officially stated, it could well be a Digital Scene Matching Area Correlator (DSMAC) variant, which uses a zoom lens to collect images and matches them with the snaps of the approach to the target stored in the memory, to conduct precision strikes against an array of enemy counter-force and counter-value targets ranging from airfields to overland communications, command and control centres and powerful air defence installations.During the Pokhran test BrahMos searched, located and destroyed a 50-cm thick concrete bunker with pinpoint accuracy. The Indian Army in anticipation of inducting the missile by 2007 has raised and begun training its first core group to man the cruise missile.



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 05:44 AM by chinawhite


Originally posted by Daedalus3

India's lunar ambitions:

www.space.com...

India's remote sensing monopoly in the COMMERCIAL market..link below quote:

Currently, some of the best images available for commercial sale come from India, which offers to the public images from its Earth-imaging satellites, which have a resolution of up to fiv
e meters.


www.space.com...

If 5 metres is the best commercial res available and that too pioneered by India then one can only speculate about India's military remote sensing capability

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Daedalus3]


WHat the Ikonos is american dont get mixed up
it even says that

www.space.com...
your same article

what a loser cut and paste articles together



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 06:13 AM by Harlequin


Originally posted by Stealth Spy

While national media have reported a hypersonic Mach 8 variant of BrahMos to be developed in future, the Western defence media circles are anticipating a sub-sonic or transonic (near the speed of sound) Land Attack Cruise Missile (LACM) variant with an estimated range of 800-km to 1,400-km. In any case a Mach 8 variant of BrahMos will indicate a major technological breakthrough by the Russians in the context of the propulsion components of solid booster and liquid kerosene ramjet engine.

For their part, Indian scientists have for at least a decade, been working on solid-state lasers for use as super-high-speed ignition systems to arm missiles, although their present status is a closely guarded secret

A Mach 8 passive radiation homing BrahMos-2 if developed, will fulfil an Indian Navy requirement of a formidable Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) LACM and also pose a deadly threat to enemy warships sporting elaborate air defence radar systems like the "AEGIS type" vessels under construction for the Chinese People Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

The quest for a Brahmos LACM variant was hinted at in a test at Pokhran during December 2004, the missile being equipped with special image processing software for terminal homing. Although not officially stated, it could well be a Digital Scene Matching Area Correlator (DSMAC) variant, which uses a zoom lens to collect images and matches them with the snaps of the approach to the target stored in the memory, to conduct precision strikes against an array of enemy counter-force and counter-value targets ranging from airfields to overland communications, command and control centres and powerful air defence installations.During the Pokhran test BrahMos searched, located and destroyed a 50-cm thick concrete bunker with pinpoint accuracy. The Indian Army in anticipation of inducting the missile by 2007 has raised and begun training its first core group to man the cruise missile.



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As you highlighted yourself - the long range version will be transonic , whilst the ship killer will have much shorter legs.

one thing , at mach 8 , your at the upper working boundry for a RAMjet engine , as the supersonic air can`t really be slowed down enough

Are the russians/indians working on a SCRAMjet version? if they are , and its going to be tested and soon , then there is NOTHING that can stop it

say it has a 300 km range @ mach 8 (6090 mph or 1.7 miles per second) it will cover 300km`s in 109 seconds



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 07:33 AM by rogue1


A mach 8 version will require a whole new generation of body materials. At that speed the friction will cause the missile alloys to melt. The US has been researching mach 7+ missiles for 20 years now and have still yet to come up with an alloy capable of withstanding those temperatures.

The Mach 8 version is science fiction at the moment.



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 07:57 AM by mirza2003


let them do there work we already late on this



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 10:58 AM by longbow


Mach 8 Indian misille - that's laughable, especially with ramjet technology. Ramjet are not even effective at such speeds, you will need sreamjet and still the drag and heat factors limit the misille effectivnes. For example USA is holds the airbreathing engine speed record with X-43, but they too are not capable to make such misilles, the future HyStrike fast reaction misille will have only 6.5 Mach (at best, more likely is 4.5 Mach).



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 11:14 AM by mirza2003


aim higher to think postively long bow if USA cant do it did not mean other cant do that there aim is work and no offical budget is alloted for that purpose only some depatmeant pooling there budget for this purpose.



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 12:13 PM by Daedalus3


yes mach 8 does sound v optimistic..but only time will reveal success or failure in that dept..



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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 01:18 PM by Stealth Spy


Check out www.abovetopsecret.com...

India's Mach-6 airplane will be tested in 2007.

More links :
India aims to fly hypersonic plane in 2007

Hypersonic cruise vehicle test flight planned in 2007

Considering this the Mach 8 BrahMos may not be that distant. Besides, Russia are working on it as well.

To Seekerof : You can fine me as many points as you want for excessive quoting, copy-pasting, posting large sized pics,etc as many ever times as you want to, but i dont really give a damn about it

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]



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reply posted on 18-5-2005 @ 01:10 AM by chinawhite


Originally posted by Stealth Spy

To Seekerof : You can fine me as many points as you want for excessive quoting, copy-pasting, posting large sized pics,etc as many ever times as you want to, but i dont really give a damn about it

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]


hehe dont get on mods bad side i want to still argue



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reply posted on 18-5-2005 @ 01:22 AM by chinawhite


Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by Daedalus3

India's lunar ambitions:

www.space.com...

India's remote sensing monopoly in the COMMERCIAL market..link below quote:

Currently, some of the best images available for commercial sale come from India, which offers to the public images from its Earth-imaging satellites, which have a resolution of up to fiv
e meters.


www.space.com...

If 5 metres is the best commercial res available and that too pioneered by India then one can only speculate about India's military remote sensing capability

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Daedalus3]


WHat the Ikonos is american dont get mixed up
it even says that

www.space.com...
your same article

what a loser cut and paste articles together


havent asnwer me



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reply posted on 18-5-2005 @ 01:23 AM by chinawhite


Originally posted by Daedalus3
Originally posted by chinawhite

The FSW-2 can remain in orbit for a maximum of 18 days before returning to Earth with its data.







Perishable satellites!! What next..??


its a reusable sateillite.. most sateiliites aren't reusable



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reply posted on 18-5-2005 @ 08:18 AM by Daedalus3


Obv.. most satellites arent reusable because they can stay there and transmit whatever data they collect!!
Reusability and re-entry only come into play when physical samples/results are required..



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